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Ex-Rauc - Student |
Alright, that is probably the most inappropriate title to ever hit these forums, but it isn't such a bad topic. Recently, in the New York Post, an article was made saying "People, this is insane. This is 10,000 times worse than the worst thing anybody thinks Michael Jackson ever did to a little boy ". Michael Jackson is currently on trial for 7 charges of child molestation and 2 counts of drugging the minor to accomplish the aforementioned task. According to this article, every time you've turned on GTA: Vice City, you've done the equivelant of 70,000 charges of child molestation and 20,000 charges of drugging minors. So, to conclude this statement, I'd like to take a poll: With how much you've played GTA: Vice City, you've done the equivelant of drugging and raping how many children? [PS, I already took Los Angeles, California, USA] |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I agree that enjoying violence is an instinct. The question is, do we, as civilised people like that instinct? I don't think so. The Romans loved violence, why should we? They washed their clothes in urine, they encouraged slavery and committed genicide. I can't see why we should compare ourselves to the Romans, i like to think we've evolved a bit. Indeed new technologies allow the violence in games to be more realistic and spectacular. So be it? No. Let's be satisfied with someone just falling down again. And Odan, i don't think that games shouldn't be abolished because the people who play them are more dangerous is a good argument.  That people are in a way influenced by the games, wich means that the games are also dangerous. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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Quote: I don't know about you but I'd say I'd be more prone to punching someone after not being able to accomplish the giant leap of world 8 in Super Mario Bros. than I would be after gunning down 20 police officers in a game like Vice City Exactly. I got more agressive after not winning a race in NFS underground for the 10th time in a row than that I felt like killing som1 after playing vice city. The truth is, people have always found it amusing to watch killing and stuff like that. For example the romans watched gladiator fights. In spain they've had bullfights for centuries. It's not an abnormal thing. And yeah, those killing things go further and further. Gamers used to be content with a guy falling down after you'd shoot him, now he has to bleed and his head has to pop off. Well, so be it. We get used to more blood every day anyway. When I turn on the tele I see mass murders in Israel. A couple of days ago I saw some pictures of a heavily bleading people and a horse after a guy had blown himself up on a market. We get used to it more and more. Only the people that somehow can't respond to it normally will go insane with games. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Well, this story reminds me what happened in France few years ago. It was about the way role-playing games (not video ones but table rpg) were affecting young people's minds. There was a guy about 15 yrs old who try to murder a teacher with a knife shouting something like "I'm Aragorn blablabla". After that the media start a vast anti-rpg campaign, it was a craziness about games that were supposed to mess up the mind. There is only one thing I can say about this: this is bullshit. My point is that neither violent videogames, nor movies nor books nor rpgs can be considered as responsible for ppl's acts. I've been playing rpgs and videogames for years now and I never tried to kill anyone nor myself. I'm fully aware and responsible of my actions so far and I wouldn't blame any of my activities if I someday go wrong. The fact is that some ppl are psychologically fragile and may be influenced but the problem lays more in the fact those persons are more sensitive than in the content of games. If I consider my videogames experience, I could be compared to a nazi general who slayed millions of virtual ppl. And it's the case of many of us in here ! So I just consider banishing a violent game is irrelevant because a game is less dangerous than the persons who play it. My $0.02  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife!  - JA Family: Brothers:
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Orion - Retired 
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Ulic, after 7 days the website moves the article to its archives so the url changes, and you have to pay to read it, or use google, and it has a cache page of it _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Extremely violent games should be banned because they are unnecessary and can only cause trouble _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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crazy_hacker - Ex-Student 
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come on... ive had gta3 since I was like 11 yrs old and i got vice city shortly after it came out, when i was 12 years old. They are great games, and I dont run around killing people. I can seperate video games and real life, and hopefully almost everyone can. This guy obviously didnt learn about fact and opinion in 1st grade. Just because he says something doesnt mean that its going to happen, or if anyone will agree with him at all. (im sure a lot of people will though...) _______________ if at first you dont succeed, try and try again. if you still dont succeed, youve just wasted a whole lot of time trying something you just cant do
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Buzz - Student 
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Why should it be banned exactly? Because people that play it are unfit for society? Because Hitler and Mussolini liked playing violent video games? Every Sicophant in the world must have played video games if they are so horrible. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Buzz that's not the point. The point is that ultra realistic violent games are not necessary and should be banned _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Buzz - Student
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I don't know about you but I'd say I'd be more prone to punching someone after not being able to accomplish the giant leap of world 8 in Super Mario Bros. than I would be after gunning down 20 police officers in a game like Vice City. And have you ever considered what the majority of the star wars games are? Except for the Jedi Knight Series most games have occured during the original Trilogy. And in that you are an insurgent force trying to conquer the legitimate government. Everything you blow up, is government property. Everyone you kill is a government official, police officer, military soldier of the legitimate government. You are a criminal in it. *edit*, Anyone notice that the article disappeared? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jan 06 2004 09:08pm. |
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Orion - Retired
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http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/30/1636209&mode=thread&tid=127&tid=153&tid=186&tid=99 this is a slashdot post about the article and on the comments the author gets soo owned, many ppl have posted the e-mails they sent, and a few state in the e-mails they have cancelled there subscriptions haha! _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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Bubu even though you make a exelent point though I must disagree with what you said about violent video games do to a person. It's not really the video games that do it to a person it's the way they were treated in the past and some stupid desire to do so. violent video games don't influence violence in real life It's just people making the most stupidest choices. This comment was edited by Lancer007 on Jan 06 2004 06:04pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Yes, but the game, and more important, the culture around it, affects someone. This does not necessarily lead to murder, but it leads to something. And yes, the fact that it is called 'game' and can be found in toyshops suggests that it is considered fun by our culture. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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true bubu, starting to kill people after playing a game says more about the person who's killing than about the game... _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Ulic, no game ever "told" me what's fun and what's not. I decide if a game is fun. If that was the case I should be loving real time strategy games since they are so popular (especially here in asia). But I don't. My point is that in order to be seriously affected by a violent video game, there has to be something wrong with you in the first place. In such a case, it won't do you any good attacking the video games, they are only catalysts. You have to attack the source. You have to solve the problem with the individual. People who blame video games are only looking for a scapegoat. Of course I agree that video games affect you. But please, show me an example of someone you knew to be "normal" (i know very subjective but you get my point) and started killing people because he/she played video games. [EDIT] OMG I just realized we were having a serious discussion on the crazy forums. We better stop before hell freezes over!  [/EDIT] _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Jan 06 2004 03:44pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Once again, a violent game is very different from a violent western movie. In a game you are urged to commit violent actions. The game and our culture tells kids that it's fun to do so. Saying that these games don't effect people is wrong, they do. I agree that being brought up is the most important factor in the development of a child, if things go wrong the parents are to blame in the first place, for example to have allowed their kid to have played violent games. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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yeah thats exactly how I feel about it bubu. You just said it in a better way, as usual _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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It's all about having someone or something to blame. We humans seldom blame ourselves for anything bad in the world. Why blame yourself when you can blame someone else and get away with it? No. My kid cannot be violent because of his upbringing. I am an excellent parent. It cannot be. It must be those damned video games that he's playing or that god awful music he listens to. I am perfect. God bless us, every one. _______________ make install -not war |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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Well I saw a program on tv once where they researched the effects games have on people. In this case, they did that with counterstrike. The conclusion was that the game itself didnt make people more aggressive. Games can also be a way to release your anger. It's a pretty sick way of releasing your anger, making a headshot and shooting of limbs. But then again, people who let out their anger this way, will be less likely to do it on the streets in RL... I'm not saying that there are no people at all that get agressive from those kind of games, but I think something went wrong with those people before they started playing the games, as buzz said. Something in their mind is wrong. Maybe they had a bad youth or something like that. I don't think the game itself could screw up a guy bad enough to shoot all his classmated and teacher to heaven, like what happened in germany. They blamed that on SOF2. I think it wasn't the game, but the way the guy was raised... btw, I think I got africa, europe, and part of the russia and asia _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 This comment was edited by Lord Exar Kun on Jan 06 2004 02:35pm. |
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Buzz - Student
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I think it would be different too Ulic, if it weren't for that fact that before these violent video games were around these people were making the same arguments about violent lyrics in songs violent television show and violent movies. The fact is that violence and psychopaths existed before these things and they'll likely continue to exist if we ever move beyond violent entertainment. If Jack the Ripper were doing what he did today, they'd claim he played Doom and saw Friday the 13th one too many times. Maybe back then they claimed he saw too many violent paintings. When my dad was growing up he spent his saturdays watching westerns where more people were shot than probably most shows we watch today. When some 40-50 year old murders someone I'm surprised they don't try to place blame on those shows from the 60's, that had so much death and gun fighting. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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I think it's different. It's not about the violence itself. In that case, as you stated, violent movies should be forbidden. It is about making violence a game. That is the difference between a violent movie and a violent game. In the game, you have to be violent and shoot people to win the game, or, to have fun. I do agree that there are not many games without violence, but i do think that some games really go to far. Normal people know when they've crossed the line, when you start beating people with a stick or try to aim for someone's nose because that results in the most spectacular bloodfountains, you're over the line. Personally i don't even like playing that kind of games. Although i think people who fight against violent games often overreact, i do have respect for them. They try to change something wich has grown normal in our generation. Think by yourself when you're playing a game, for fun, is this normal? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Buzz - Student
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Here's the e-mail I wrote the guy: I have read your Give back Take-Two article about Vice City. I personally think you look at it the wrong way. I think many people look at it the wrong way. I won't get into the shady business practices of the company. You say that all of these games should be removed. If that's the case then all movies with violent content should be removed. Scarface should no longer be put on VHS and DVD and all copies burned. The Godfather movies should no longer be sold. Afterall who knows when someone is going to cut off a horse's head and put it into your bed because they saw it in a movie. If the highway sniper had played GTA as a kid you would probably want to blame the game on his behavior. How do you know that those 14 and 16 year olds weren't already screwed up before deciding to do what happens in a game? Video games need to be treated like movies and television. Parents need to pay attention to what their kids play and watch. I never tried to buy an R rated movie before I turned 17. Don't these things seem similar to you? On another note, don't you think any sane individual playing the game would realize that the fact that all the police and military chasing after you is a point that the things you do are wrong and if you did them in real life a similar situation would occur? I doubt if I'll get a response to this but I think you look at this from a completely one-sided approach that these games should not be made. That all games should be made for 8 year olds to play. Then there should be no R-rated movies either, every movie released should be G-rated. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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3th - Retired 
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i think he screws up his own argument by mentioning john lee malvo (the beltway sniper, or whatever they call him) he NEVER played violent video games and went off his rocker and killed a bunch of people. damn, i guess there are just plain crazy people in this world that do crazy stuff just because they are damn crazy. biology is not a perfect electrician, sometimes people just get wired all wrong. (nice story btw ranja ) _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Dammerung - Student |
I've played GTA3 and GTA: Vice city. completed both, in fact. But I dont feel a need to go out and brutally murder innocent people in cold blood... granted, there are some i think deserve such a fate but thats beside the point Think for a moment what it would be like if there was no violence in media, games, news, movies or music. Seems pretty peaceful, right? Time goes on and people begin to feel annoyed and sickened by this utopianistic life style. Then, it snaps. Random acts of brutal violence erupts in the streets. It sounds kind of preposterous, but the world is actually a better place with these sorts of outlets for anger and rage. Life for many can be frustrating, and even a simulation of destroying something is a way to make the mind feel like its getting rid of those problems. They often say when you're angry to punch a pillow. How is killing a handful of polygons on the computer much different? Still, nothing should be taken to extremes, and some minds are weaker than others. The case with the two boys shooting cars is none other than an act of sheer stupidity. Keep violence in games and off the streets. _______________ "It's over Anakin! This high ground adds +5 to my agility!" "HAX!" |
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Rainer - Student |
Apparently this guy is a strong believer in behaviorism-a flawed doctrine in my opinion. Though the actions of others, your upbringing, what you watch and find acceptable have significance in the way you act there is still the aspect of free will. But I suppose when you surcome to saying that we are a bunch of animals that only act on instinct-and that we merely label our instincts with words like love and hate-there is practically no where to turn but behaviorism. However here is the problem with this situation. Accordingly going by that doctrine nothing can say that one set of ethics are any better than anyone else’s. You could go by the way of saying that the definition of ethics is whatever is best for the common man, but even then there is a very fine line to what is ethical. Behaviorism and Socialism seems to be a tool to induce a feeling of victimization in younger people. We are told that society, what people do to us, what we watch, dictates what we will do. If this is true then what responsibility do we have? We are only doing what is natural ergo we are the victim in every situation. Let me say that I don't think that I would like Grand Theft Auto myself-I say that from just what I've heard of it-but the idea that we automatically will do everything we see on television and do in a game is preposterous. Quote: In Tennessee last summer a motorist was killed and his passenger wounded when two boys - aged 14 and 16 - played "Grand Theft Auto" and then decided to go out and take sniper shots at cars, just like in the game. Ok, so let me get this straight. Two boys sat down in their living room, played GTA, thought to themselves, "This is cool on the game and we don't get in trouble! If we do this in real life we won't get in trouble either!" And then preceded to grab sniper rifles, which I would like to know how they obtained sniper rifles in the first place, and ran out to go shoot at some cars. I doubt this is what happened. I think I'll write a report about myself- "There is no wonder why this boy did what he did! We checked his computer and the things we found were horrendous. He had played a text based game for over three years wherein he would kill mass amounts of creatures and people. There are a few graphic moments in this which were surely appealing to the boy. He also owned swords. Now we won't condemn him for having a sword collection, but his parents explained that he would swing them around outside very aggressively. Once he even brutally chopped up a tree with one of his Katanas! If all this wasn't enough he played a star wars game that, though bad enough on its own, he had turned on a "dismemberment mode" that made the limbs of his victims fall off when he killed them. He would spend hours a day online just killing people for fun. He had even downloaded a special modification for the game that allowed him to see blood spew from his victims, and use knives, swords and other life like weapons. The blood and dismemberments were obviously appealing to him because of the increasing realism. That realism apparently wasn't enough because after playing Jedi Knight:Jedi Academy he did absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing illegal or murderous, can you believe it?" Heh. 'Nough said. P.S. - Oh, and since I've never played GTA, I take Neptune. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James This comment was edited by Rainer on Jan 05 2004 08:22am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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i've taken AT LEAST whatever hasn't already been claimed _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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