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Kueller - Student  |
Hey guys. I know we live in an age where most ppl would rather play a good video game then read a informative book, and I think I'm one of them too. But I wanted to use this post as an eye-opener to some ppl. I recently read the book of Michael Moore: "Dude where's my country." A fantastic book in which he describes what Bush is doing with his presidentship period. A book about the lies of Iraq and Afghanistan, about the way the right of freedom and privacy in america is slipping away every day. I don't know if any fo you guys read his books, I love his show and now this book. The good thing about it is that he uses some good humour and he doesn't discredit people who don't deserve it. I'm not an American, but I think this book is very intersting because I want to know what happens in a country where a lot of good pals of me live. Anyways, I'm nearly starting a rant about why Bush sucks so much, but I think that would be dangerous considering what Bush's goverment has done to ppl who oppose him. All I can say is: READ THE BOOK, IT'S INTERSTING AND DAMN FUN! _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills  |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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It's preposterous to suppose that the people in the countries that weren't in the coalition were all opposed to the war. That assumes, among other things, that everyone in Iraq was against liberating Iraq from Saddam. In reality the vast majority are glad to have him gone. Moreover, the majority is not necessarily right. Most of the countries that opposed the war were dictatorships whose people had neither any say in their governments' actions nor access to free press to give them even a semblance of the facts to make an informed decision. I don't care if a billion people living under Islamic dictatorships, spoon-fed state propaganda all day and prohibited from reading Western books think that the war was a bad idea. 85% of those same people believe that Jews eat children (well, kill them and use their blood to bake cookies actually, which is what most Arab state newspapers say the Jews do). Do you give that idea the same credence just because such a large percentage of the world believes it? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Xylo Phorus - Ex-Student |
Umm, JumpinJedi...you need to check your sources. The economy is growing faster than it has in 20 years. _______________ "¿En qué puedo servirle hoy?" This comment was edited by Xylo Phorus on Jan 10 2004 02:00am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Clinton did a great job? Sure some things went well during Clinton's time. Along with all of his scandals, a few friends of his deaths, people going to jail and refusing to testify in the Clintons' involvement in the whitewater scandal. Do you think the stuff with Enron and other companies just started happening Jan. 21, 2001 or something? The things that started this happened while Clinton was in office. Bush inherited a slowing economy, one that was further damaged by what happened with the world trade center attacks. Clinton is the reason we had the situation in North Korea because before him there were no appeasement methods to hostile nations. It was never "give us money and food or we'll keep building bombs." Clinton was offered Osama Bin Laden on several occasions by foreign countries and didn't take him. If you'd like to see and e-mail to "thank" bill clinton for all the wonderful things he did I'll be glad to show it to you JJ and anyone else who would like to see it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jan 10 2004 02:05am. |
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The way I see it, from, for once, a sober point of view, is Bill Clinton did a great job as president. So what if some inturn gave him head? Does this effect his ability to run a country? I highly doubt it. Bush has simply pissed on the accomplishments Clinton achieved. The economy is going to shit, and the "war" isn't helping. |
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Buzz - Student
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Ulic I'd suggest you read Ulic Belouves responses in the view on the war thread. Going to war violated international law and was illegal, but so did not going to war. And I really don't like the democrats Doobie. I think Bush has done a better job than most of them could have in the situation he's been given. Not to mention Dean pretty much implying that maybe Bin Laden didn't know about 9/11 even though there is video proving he did. I frankly think that niether democrats or republicans can do a good effective job in running the country. They've both go their hardline issues they refuse to budge on and claim that their way is the only way such as raising or lowering taxes to help the economy. If done properly both probably can help the economy. The problem is that you drop taxes the government probably won't reduce spending, and if you raise taxes they're just going to increase spending, likely to their salaries since congress are the ones that decide whether they get a raise or not. Xip, you've made claims that ##% of the world population is for or against the war. You pointed out that the 20% that was for it several of those countries population had an opposition to it. But can't you make the exact same statement for the countries governments that did oppose the war. Maybe some country in there was split 50/50. Also don't forget Congress gave Bush the permission to go to Iraq. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Kueller - Student 
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And of course the fact that, even though it is respected, most ppl don't think the UN is the law. I can imagine jumping to war if you feel threatened by all those threats by weapons, even though it's a bit foolish to give a country like Iraq biological and chemical weapons to use in a war with Iran. But, that was a different time and hasn't got to do with Bush jr. I still think he should have given more thought to the act, I like to think he forged the evidence because he was so afraid of Iraq. But even if I think that I still feel afraid, in a way. Because, who is next? How long will this continue? Well, I hope the democrats are finally go to let a good candidate run their election. Like that general, or Oprah _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Democratic governments are indirectly chosen by the people. It is therefore not entirely correct to state that 80 percent of the world population was against the war. A Government has thousands of specialists in service who can form an opinion, a normal person has not. The problem with Iraq was that the procedure was illegal in the eyes of the United Nations. THAT is the dangerous and wrong part of course one could argue that the UN has lost effectiveness because it clings to old proportions, but the actions that were taken undermine the authority of the UN which is highly regrettable. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Octavius - Ex-Student 
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Mike moore is either a hero or a demon, depending on your views of the world and the government. Now, he is bashing Bush, but a few years ago, in the Clinton era, he was throwing punches at him. Micheal moore seems to be a negative person who always points out the awful and bad in something. But is hardly seen trying to fix the problem or pointing out the good in our nation _______________ What we do in life, echoes in eternity. |
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Crunchy - Ex-Student 
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Sorry if you view this as off topic. Another book I read about coruption and stuff is called "Fast Food Nation." check it out at amazon.com It was a real eye opener to the fast food industry and meat producers for me. At the end of this book there are almost 40 pages of references to what was talked about in the book. I think everyone should read this book. You might even have it at your local library. _______________ Windows95: <win-doz-nin-te-fiv> n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I guess us American's are just too damn proud to listen when others have any advice, except what we want to hear. Hey, easy with the political rhetoric there buddy. That statement is extremely stereotyped and unbiased. Most American I know think Bush is a fraud, but they realize it's much easier to even have a chance at getting rid of him through the election than through any sort of trial... only problem is the Democrats haven't really shown anyone who can unite the country very well (Howard Dean doesn't count, he's looks too much like a robot). _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Xipkell - Student |
Hey Buzz, it's me again with, guess what, a list of the so called coalition of the willing. Here goes: Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bularia, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Palau, Iceland, the Soloman Islands, Micronesia, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Trukey, the United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. This list represents roughly 20% of the world population. Long list right? Well let's see, out of that list, who do you think could have contributed much of anything. Well, Morocco did offer to send 2,000 monkeys to help detonate land mines. Quite a few correct? Yes, correct, except countries like Japan and Italy had a larger opposition by their respective citzens than ours. 69% in Italy, 70% in Japan and 95% of the Turkish citizens opposed the war. Umm what happened to these people in power being elected to represent the people of their country and do the will of the people? Now on to the coalition of the unwilling, if you will. Hold on this list is longer than the last. Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Cuba, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Jordan, Mexico, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and 103 other countries! What do you get if you subtract 20 from 100? That's right 80. 80% of the worlds population was opposed to this war. I guess us American's are just too damn proud to listen when others have any advice, except what we want to hear. As for Clinton, I'd like to know why he was investigated and Bush hasn't been. Who has comited a greater crime? The man lying about having sex or the man who led the coalition of the coerced and bribed to war with half truths, blatant lies and poor speculation.  This comment was edited by Xipkell on Jan 09 2004 11:59am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Kueller, Clinton was impeached because he was lieing in a court of law and for encouraging others to lie under oath. If Bush were under some investigation where he was appearing in court and doing the same thing I don't doubt that they would be trying to impeach him. As for the "most of America is against a war without support" blah blah blah blah stuff. Congress approved the US's actions, there was international support just not as much as most people would have liked. Has Bush done stuff that a lot of people probably don't agree with? Sure, but you know what so have most other presidents. Bush also isn't the first US president to be elected with less of the popular vote than the other guy. As for that thing about people being kicked out of the country even though they had US citizen status I'm going to say SO WHAT. What you have can be taken away. Lincoln stopped Habeus Corpus during the Civil War, Robert E. Lee lost his status as a citizen of the US untill Gerald Ford gave it back. When you're at a time in the world where the game is changing and the old rules don't apply, you're going to have to be ready for some new rules even if they don't make sense to you now. I don't have a problem with questioning why, I just don't like the way michael moore does it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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there's more truth in these jokers' jokes than we get from the government in general. i say John Stewart from the Daily Show should run for president. let Stephen Colbert be his vice president  _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I honestly never heard of Michael Moore before his little speech at the Oscars. I don't think too highly of him because the Oscars was no place to make a political statement. I'm not saying that WHAT he said was wrong, just that the Oscars was no place to do it, especially at the time. People tuned into the Oscars to maybe forget about the war for a little while. IMHO, he has no class and I have no respect for him. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Kueller - Student 
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What about the constant supplie of sources he gives. In this book he never sais anything real big without naming a source where he got it from. What about those people that where thrown out of the USA without even a trial, even though they had USA-citizen status? Wrong source too? Is that a lie? I know that here in Europe most ppl know it as a fact (most of them don't care ) what about the way Bush ran off to war even if the majority of his ppl didn't want to go to war unless the other countries approved (yes, before the US went to war the polls where against a war on Iraq without support from the proper world-wide organisations). And the lies about the chemical weapons? Where there ever any found? NO! It may be just me, but why did Clinton get nearly impeached for having a "relationship" with his secretary, but Bush isn't anywhere near getting impeached. It all sounds horribly wrong to me. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Im just gonna jump in and say that i've been a huge supporter of Michael Moore since i first saw "Roger and me"..So ya...I've read most of his book...and enjoyed them very much.... _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Please. Moore is a nutcase who'll bend the truth, or just make up lies, to entertain his audience. There are extremists on both the left and the right, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Moore is so far left, he's about to wrap around and hit the right-side barrier :p _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Buzz, when do you ever leave home? |
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Buzz - Student
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DJ you know he claims he pulled out the wrong speech for the Oscars. and Ulic, the US is not a Democracy anyone whoever makes that claim really needs to look at the definition of a Democracy. We're a Republic. And I don't remember the last time I saw someone being hauled into jail for criticizing Bush. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jan 07 2004 10:26pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I got a lot of respect for people who critize the government. A government that is afraid to be criticized or tries to silence people is not a good government. Of course there's who huge difference between the dutch politics and the american. I still think our system is more democratic than the US system. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I thought Bowling for Columbine was way sensational. He edited it around to make his point. But I still have to admire the man. It takes balls to blast the president in front of millions of viewers on the Oscars. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Xylo Phorus - Ex-Student |
Yeah I wouldn't trust a word Moore said--or wrote, for that matter. That's the new style of these political pundits: "kidding on the square." The strategy is simple: write a book blasting conservatives, using any warped interpretation of the facts that you can think of--all while using a humorous writing style. It's the perfect strategy really....you can say whatever you want to say, whether it's true or not. If someone calls you down on it, all you have to do is say "Can't you take a joke?" Trust me, if you want to know what's going on in America, you need a better source than Michael Moore. _______________ "¿En qué puedo servirle hoy?" This comment was edited by Xylo Phorus on Jan 07 2004 03:01am. |
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that make great cigars! |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Moore has been caught in so many lies I can't be bothered with him any more. But his short-lived TV series was at least entertaining, even though it did claim that everybody in Cuba is well-fed, happy to be living in a dictatorship and gets top-quality health care for free. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Darkwood - Student 
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I'll see if they have it in my town _______________ -Darkwood- |
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