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Jawa Rikard Falk - ex-Student  |
who shall win _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all This post was edited by Jawa Rikard Falk on May 10 2004 10:59am. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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I just saw that this thread was still active.  [edit/addendum] Heh. Just looked at the date. I guess it wasn't really active--just looked like it 'cause it was still on the first page. ;p Quote: UNDERSTATEMENT ! lol just try and briefly skim over this huh ? It's true though, he only missed a very few things. But they were "key things"...like that Vader was going to flip out and TK him. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. This comment was edited by JavaGuy on Oct 06 2004 01:19am. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Ok i'm really gunna be bashing javaguy here (prolly not a good idea cuase he seems way smarter than me but hey  )Dont take it personaly mate but ur on the other side of the argument Quote: He failed to see a few key things that were tied up in Luke and Vader, UNDERSTATEMENT ! lol just try and briefly skim over this huh ? Quote: Javaguy: You cannot predict things which do not have an origin in the past. Why the hell not ? They are jedi and can see the future (hmm, that wasn't javaguy and works against my arguement, Meh oh well )Quote: No way. Yoda and Obi Wan were both adamant that turning back from the Dark Side was something that just didn't happen. Quote: I certainly think Yoda saw Luke's future, but remember he saw it imperfectly. He believed Luke would die or turn to the Dark Side if he went to Cloud City.
Quote: We have no idea what yoda thought. We know what he said. Both two very different things. Think matrix, think oracle Do not think of it as right or wrong. She told you exactly what you needed to hear, no more . Yoda could have know perfectly well that it is possible or even that darth vader would turn back. But didn't want Luke to know this as Luke may then think "meh, i can always turn to the light again, darkside isnt such a big deal" Maybe he told luke those things about cloud city as he knew Luke would go anyway but would have more guard. Or used reverse psychology. He knew Luke had to go to cloud city to get some "Real life" experiance at using the force in acctual extreme conditions. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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Jawa Rikard Falk - Ex-Student 
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u guys have right its better to let it go and between the dark side isnt stronger for em who belived on yoda yoda was just that one who should save the galaxy _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all |
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Ðemiµrg° - Student 
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It is to be expected that Palpatine is the strongest force user. After all Yoda could absorb Dookus lightening, but he was only the aprrentice of Sidious. _______________ God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. |
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DJK - Student 
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yeah, just let the damn poll go mate..'Nuff said This comment was edited by DJK on Aug 26 2004 01:10am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Dude let it go... if yoda could've killed palpatine he wouldve,he wouoldnt let 10,000 jedi die for no reason,even he said "Beware the power of the emporer,do not underestimate him" YODAS THE COOLEST! but sadly he cant  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jawa Rikard Falk - Ex-Student
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welcome back yoda vs palpy _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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I certainly think Yoda saw Luke's future, but remember he saw it imperfectly. He believed Luke would die or turn to the Dark Side if he went to Cloud City. As for Yoda's Force powers, not only can he absorb and toss aside lightning--not just any lightning but lightning thrown by a Dark Lord of the Sith--he can also pick up and move an X-Wing. And he caught--didn't just pick up but caught as it was falling--a stone column that looked like it weighed about a hundred tons and set it aside to save Obi Wan and Anakin (and in the process let Dooku get away with the plans to the Death Star, resulting in billions of deaths). _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Sorry but I don't think it's a question thats could be answered. My thoughts: We know that Palpatine is a Very powerful Sith Master. We also know that he does/did use a lightsaber at one time because he killed his master with one. We KNOW yoda can use his lightsaber, but when it comes to Total force abilities, neither have really shown too much yet. Yes, yoda can absorb force lightning likes its a baseball throw by a 5 y/o schoolgirl but thats about all i've seen! I think Yoda did have a vision of Luke and his feats, and knew that he HAD to stay alive totrain him one day, so he fled to Dagobah. I don't think Yoda would have fled due to fear of death. He hid for a reason, other than self-preservation. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Jawa Rikard Falk - Ex-Student 
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wow yoda vs palpy back in action _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Either way Yoda could have gotten the vision _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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JavaGuy - Student
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No way. Yoda and Obi Wan were both adamant that turning back from the Dark Side was something that just didn't happen. Remember, the Jedi had been keepers of the peace for 1,000 generations. That's about four to five times longer than human civilization here on Earth has existed. If someone had turned back from the Dark Side during that time, Yoda would probably have known about it. Vader's conversion was a once-in-history kind of thing (notwithstanding that, according to all the EU novels, it then happened all the time after that.  )._______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Yoda would definitely win if he was his Episode II self. But after getting old in Episode III and probably receiving a vision, he knew Luke should take out Palpatine and he in the process could turn back Vader from the dark side. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Cmad...its not "hided". I believe you mean "hid". Ok continue.. Oh i'm gonna quote aron here: "In dutch we call that antfcking" Vasper, it's not "Cmad", it's "cmad" EDIT: * claps for JG * I've never thought of it like this BTW: I need to find my ep4-6 VHS's _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This comment was edited by _cmad_ on Jul 08 2004 09:42am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Well sure it had a basis in the past. Vader had a history. Luke said early on that he sense conflict in him. In any case, Vader had been Anakin. That was his past. And yeah, Palpatine was suspicious that Vader and Luke were going to team up and kill him and take his place. Palpatine and Vader didn't exactly have a healthy relationship. I always just chalked it up to the fact that a Force user's predictive powers were less reliable when the events involve other powerful Force users. Think about it: If we're fighting, and I can see the future but you can't, if I'm planning on move A but see that move B would have a better outcome, then I'll change my plans. But if you can see into the future as well, then you'll know that I'm going to change my plans, and you'll change your plans accordingly. But since I can see into the future, I'll see that you're going to change your plans. Yoda said that the future is always in motion. When a Force user is interacting with people who can't see the future, he can pretty much see all the results of his possible actions and choose his path accordingly; when interacting with other Force users, however, his picture of the future becomes murkier because those other Force users also see the future and change their plans. Presumably a more powerful Force user will have a better picture of the future than a less powerful one and thus usually get the drop on him. I always just figured that because Luke, Vader and Palpatine were all so powerful that they were unknown quantities in one another's visions of the future. Vader's conversion at the end, though impossible by Yoda, Palpatine and Vader himself, of course was unpredictable. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Javaguy: You cannot predict things which do not have an origin in the past. The turning of Vader to Anakin only happened at the last seconds ... This had no origin in the past, thus Palpatine did not see it coming. If Vader was turning from the beginning, this would have been predictable. However, Palpatine was suspective of Vader since he said: I wonder if your feelings are clear in this matter. But I do not think he anticipated Vader going back to the Light, since even he thought it was impossible. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student
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Remember that the Emperor also specialized in seeing the future...better than almost anyone else, in fact. He failed to see a few key things that were tied up in Luke and Vader, but for the most part he dominated as a military leader because he always had the element of surprise while he himself always knew what would happen. So perhaps Yoda suspected that Palpatine would get the drop on him if he confronted him. Yoda's predictive powers were far from perfect by his own admission. Perhaps he knew that the Emperor had a particular blind spot concerning Vader and his son. Remember Vader sensed Luke's presence on the Endor moon--"Strange that I have not," was Palpatine's comment. He didn't see that his apprentice was going to throw him into the reactor core either. His powers of prescience were formidable but did have this one peculiar blind spot that Yoda probably knew or suspected. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Cmad...its not "hided". I believe you mean "hid". Ok continue.. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Maybe ...(Squibits theory on why Yoda was a lazy bum) His speciality with the force is foresight. He knew that he was getting old (LOL understatement) and would die soon. He knew Luke was the most powerful jedi left alive (sort of, cant be bothered to go into more detail). He knew Luke must be the one to lead the new generation of Jedi and rebuild what was lost. He knew that inevitably Luke would somehow discover that darth vader was his farther. And he knew that Luke would never have the inner strength needed to lead the new jedi unless he dealt with his feelings on this matter. Hense he guided luke and then sent him off to face vader in order for the Jedi order to be remade and continue protecting the galaxy There we go , Squib has solved another extremely complex puzzle Yeah but he waited like 20 years for luke to grow up... In those 20 years he hided from the Empire, cuz he knew he was gonna get his arse kicked That's why _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Squibit - Student
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Maybe ...(Squibits theory on why Yoda was a lazy bum) His speciality with the force is foresight. He knew that he was getting old (LOL understatement) and would die soon. He knew Luke was the most powerful jedi left alive (sort of, cant be bothered to go into more detail). He knew Luke must be the one to lead the new generation of Jedi and rebuild what was lost. He knew that inevitably Luke would somehow discover that darth vader was his farther. And he knew that Luke would never have the inner strength needed to lead the new jedi unless he dealt with his feelings on this matter. Hense he guided luke and then sent him off to face vader in order for the Jedi order to be remade and continue protecting the galaxy There we go , Squib has solved another extremely complex puzzle _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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StarWarsGirl - Ex-Student 
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AFTER 2 MONTHS OF INACTIVITY I STILL VOTE YODA!!!! _______________ Be strong & brave.Don't ever be afraid. Joshua 1:9 Fear is the path to the darkside. -Jedi Master Yoda |
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Jawa Rikard Falk - Ex-Student
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Quote: because he was too busy making sure Luke got nice parents... LOL _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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because he was too busy making sure Luke got nice parents... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Plo Koon - Student
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ask this to yourself. if yoda could win against palpatine,then why didnt he do anything? _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Caos - Ex-Student 
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YODA of cours man hes the sikest fighter you even saw it in E2 so dont think he wouldnt _______________ they way of the sith is the way of my life |
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