Since there hasn't exactly been the greatest amount of atheists to post in this thread, I might as well go ahead and do it. Sorry if the post isn't too good, I'm kinda tired.


No, I'm not a Christian. I'm an atheist, and pretty much as pure in that way as they come. I have yet to see real evidence of any higher power than yourself. 'Miracles', you say? Couldn't they just as well be due to human involvement/coincidence? I have a hard time believing every little miracle is due to a god watching us all. Moby, you said you had rational answers to everything. Please, do explain these so-called miracles. I'd like to know what you (or others) think about them.
I basically believe in facts, death, human corruption, and myself. The only one who can help me, is myself. If I get myself into some mess, then it's up to me to get myself out of it again. I can only count on me, and very few trusted people (emphasize few). Facts, I believe in too, things which has been established and you can't argue with. And death, as it is the end of all. No after-life, only death. I dare say death is the only thing in this World you can count on for sure.

I must admit, those Romans 3:10-20 Koyi presented to us, are some of the very few things in the Bible I can agree with. That is the way of human nature, and you can't stop it. Deceit, lies, war, destruction, it is what humans do. There are of course bright spots, and not all are like that, but I doubt any on these boards can disagree with 'evil' (note: I write 'evil' because I don't believe in TRUE evil, from all perspectives. Every action will be good from some point, the only difference is, it can be evil by the perspective of MOST) is what humans do.

Anyways, on to the next question:

I have no problem believing Jesus lived. What I DO have problems with believing, is that he was the son of God (don't worry, I'll spare you for a long rant about God and his existance.... for now). What if he was nothing but a good healer? What if the 4 writers (sorry, my knowledge of all this is rusty, I mean those who wrote about Jesus, ie, Lucas, Matthew(?), etc) exaggerated? What if they decided to make it a bit prettier than it was in reality? Or, possibly, what if it was after-editted to fit the demands of this new religion called Christianity? I saw a very good show on the Discovery Channel, I think it was called 'The Real Jesus'. Very interresting. They went in-depth with the Bible, practically disected some parts of it by comparing it with a Jewish book (not sure if it was their version of the Bible, can't remember its name). They, amongst others, told how Jesus was likely to have been a political activist, wanting to get the Romans out of the country. Remember when he entered a temple and destroyed (in lack of a better word) things, supposedly because the priests were not true to God (or something, can't remember the details, and I don't have a Bible to look it up )? According to that show, it was more likely because the temple paid taxes to the Romans, so it was a political target, not a religious one.
And the same goes for Pontius Pilatus, who sentenced Jesus to death by popular demand. It was said that he pittied Jesus, and gave him mercy. With what we know of the ancient Romans (I won't make a list of the 'evil' things they did), is it likely he pittied a politically dangerous man? I doubt so.
As said, it was a very interresting show, but it's been a long time since I saw it, so sorry if what I've written seems incomplete.

And for the third, and final, question:

As for the resurrection of Jesus, I must say, I have no really good answer to this. I might be able to find one, but not right now, unfortunately. All I can say is, I don't believe it to have happened, and there is only one explanation I can come up with right now, which would cover why the tomb was empty: Graverobbers. We know they were common back then. Would it be so weird if they decided to rob the grave? Perhaps they had heard rumors of this King of Men, and wanted to check it out? Well, I'll let you know if I find something (yes, I know it sounds like I'm trying to come up with a good logical explanation, because I want to reject the idea of him resurrecting, but my brain doesn't work that well without breakfast, so sorry about that ).


I know much of what I have said is nothing but speculations, but the problem with religion is, none of us will know for sure 'till we're dead, and by that time, who cares? We can't tell the living anyway (btw, I still don't believe in anything after death). Also, sorry if I went kinda off-topic, this subject is interresting, imo, so I kinda easily go off-topic.

EDIT: Whoa, this is without doubt one of the longest (relevant ) posts I've ever made.

EDIT2: Damn you, Koyi, you posted while I was typing! Well, I might edit/re-post when I've read your post. So this post does *not* concern Koyi's latest.