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CuZzA - Student  |
I thought i would bring this topic up as it is a pretty serious topic in todays society correct? Please leave your comments here and how you would like to stop racism _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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I just thought of something... if some African-American's hate Caucasian Americans for their ancestor enslaving Africans, why is it that Scotland got over the years and years of oppression that England put upon us? If simple minded drunks like us can get over it, so can the African-Americans.  |
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Bandit - Student 
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I agree with Buzz and Kenyon... I'd expound upon it more, but I see no point at the moment. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Casual - Student 
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You are right, our generation is by no means responsible for any other racist acts than those that we might commit ourselves. But that is just the sad thing about the whole issue. The real culprits have died a long time ago, and the sons and daughters of the slave generation are left with much less than thay deserve. That is why I said that it is appropriate for at least the head of the state to apologise for the actions commited by by his predecessors. After all, when you become a president or something similar, you do take on responsibility for past actions too. If this wouldn't be the case, it would be too easy to get away with terrible crimes. But the only way of stopping racism is to be open-minded, and encourage your fellows to act likewise. This world is big enough for different groups of people, as it is big enough for every single individual out there. Enter inclusion, exit exclusion! -Cas _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. This comment was edited by Casual on Feb 18 2004 01:23pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Of course gruesome acts commited in the past never expire, and scars continue throughout the years even to this day. However, how can we, the newest generation, take blame for gruesome acts commited by our great-greatgrandfathers? I don't understand how we are in any way responsible. We're different people, we have entirely different viewpoints. I can't take the blame for someone who is ancient history. I might also like to point out that where I live, racism is often directed at me... and I'm white. It's true, there are so many examples of either being stereotyped or certain things aren't "allowed", or just aren't cool when you're a white guy. Certain clubs are practically off-limit for me, unless I go with one of my colored friends. They think it's ridiculous too, but it's certainly happening. ~Ken (And no, like JJ, I'm not encouraging racism in any way, just pointing out with a different example that the caucasians also get harassed by it.) |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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this is serius-ive been friends to all different kinds of people,even my dad-my dad told me that his mother made his use the *colored drinking fountain* to show my dad the right way and she got in alot of trouble by doing that he said and remembered,i think that is great what she did because i they are living humans just like us. you know what causes different skin color? the sun. the sun in different parts of the world effects skin over long time!. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Casual - Student 
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Do you not agree that still a very large portion of the African nation have witnessed slavery, if not directly then at least throught their great grandparents who could tell them of the terrors that they saw in their home villages. Some of these people do need an apology, if that's the best the suppressors can do. What has been done, and what I find to be quite appropriate, is paying compensations for the slaves' families. But this is still in its baby steps, as is the whole program of making up for the days of slavetrade. You might think that no one owes an apology anymore, but I don't believe that issues such as this ever expire. And it is truly unfair that a people who have been suppressed, discriminated and incarcerated for decades should be dismissed from compensation. Also as someone said, our whole lifestyle and western way is largely because of the age of slavery. Imperialism modified the west, and even though WE are not culprits, we still (unintentionally) enjoy the fruits of that era. But on the other hand, what we are is always a result of history and we are in no way apologising to someone who also got the boot sometime ages ago. But I find this slavetrade period to be so extremely close to us, and so terrible, that if at least the head of the state, that was the main commiter of these crimes, apologises to the deprived nation, I am content. -Cas _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. This comment was edited by Casual on Feb 18 2004 08:33am. |
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Stimpski - Student 
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We also need to consider the fact that what one person sees as racist, another person doesn't see it as racist. Take for instance, a woman asks a person dressed liked a waitress for some butter. The lady wasn't a waitress, and happened to be African-American. She said something about it being racist, and walked off. The white lady tried to apolgize, but the African-American refused to listen. This may just be my view, but when someone tries to apologize for saying or doing something that may be racist to you, don't ignore them; that just spreads the racism. _______________ Stimpski (formerly known as DeathScythe many, many moons ago.) JA Forum ID - 3988 <insert generic &/OR witty tagline here> This comment was edited by Stimpski on Feb 18 2004 02:15am. |
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Jools - Ex-Student 
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It is fine not feeling guilty for facts in the past, behind which there were other people. But we should also consider that our actual lifestyle is the result of what happened in the past. _______________ [22:43] <[jools]> someday, i'll write on essay about feeling 60 but being 23 [22:44] <Jacen_Aratan> I think it is time to hand over a special thing... only given it out one time before... back in October or so... [22:44] * Jacen_Aratan hands [jools] the award "Coolest Newbie" xAnAtOs' best friend. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Stereotyping is actually an essence of human behavior though. You look at a forest and you see trees. You're not wondering how many of each type of tree there is if you're just passing by. But when you go to study the forest it you'll want to learn about all the specific trees there. It will go the same for people, you see the race of a person, or the way they dress and you tend to categorize that person into the way you've seen others that seem to be like him or him. If you get to know that person though you need to be willing to throw off the stereo typing and generalizations. Racism is a lot of crap. Its garbage to hate someone hased on their race. Its much better to hate them on the fact that they are jerks and pricks and such. Hate a person for what's beneath the skin like they deserve to be. A big problem I have with racism is the guilt many caucasians have about things in the past that they had no control over. People of Africa were not the only group to be placed into slavery throughout human history. They're just the most recent. When Bill Clinton was president and he went to Africa he apologized to them for slavery. I find that type of stuff to be garbage. The majority of Africa weren't slaves. In fact most slave traders received slaves by trading with the African tribes and taking captured enemy tribe members for slaves. Not all the time but it did happen. So while I don't agree with racism I also don't think the people of the world that are not racist need to be apologizing for past racism and current racism. I'm not going to apologize for the KKK because I'm not a member of that group. I won't Apologize for slavery because I wasn't a part of that either. I'll be happy if I ever get to see stuff like this gone and people are looked at for how they are not how they look. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Casual - Student
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This is a touchy topic, and even with everyone being against racism, it still creates tension between the discussers. Besides, there is so much to the whole deal of racial segregation that no one _should_ even take a side. People are different. The amount of hatred that was a general attitude in the white society past the last centuries is appauling. Dispositions hosted by Hitler and Stalin should not have ever existed, never mind even thought about. But on the other hand, using overgeneralisations like "Black people have a better attitude" is also wrong. What you are doing there is the very essence of racial dispute, you are categorising people into something that most definately doesn't match the entire population. The whole issue of racism rests on generalisation and that is a sad fact. But prototyping and stereotyping is what people do best; essence of laziness: if one, or 5 or 10 or 100, do this and that, then they all must do it too. I try to keep an open mind to everything, and would NEVER use condescending terminology such as "nigger" or "ahmed" of coloured people, but also I would never call other white people with these terms, nor with any other categorising terms such as "whore" or "bitch". But on the other hand, I don't feel guilt if I feel immense hatred for a black person that kills my family. So where does racism and individual experience share the same border? I get the idea that racism today is namecalling. If you call someone a "nigger", you are a racist. Whatabout if you use that term in purpose to aggravate the target of your insults, if, for example, he/she has murdered your family? Like I said, this is dangerous territory, and talking about racism is always a matter of walking on thin ice. I hope this conversation doesn't steer too much to the wrong flank. My 2 cents, -Cas _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. |
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Unfortunately, hatred is part of human nature. Most people need some way to vent their general bad-feelings, not just anger... racism is one of these things. YY, sorry to hear about that... These kind of people are going to hell, you know that?  |
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CuZzA - Student 
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sry 'bout dat bro _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Ne 1 remember when the movie:"Pearl Harbor" came out????I went to see that movie cause it looked interesting and if u all know the story the japanese bombed peral harbor when the movie was done with and every ws leaving i was geting alot of remarks of being a trader and being told to go back to were i came from granted they were all askin for me to beat the CRAP out of em but i restrained myself cause it wouldnt be worth it racism is the most dumbest thing ive eer heard of i hate that it exsits and still does within sumpeople i hate to thing what sum of these people do to the hated race...I just hope 1 day ALL of these sorta people open up clear there mind and think "wow was i stupid" _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Quote: Well for lots of years colored ppl were treated like p00p by white ppl, and that made them racists towards white ppl. I think they have their right to call someone "white boy" cuz you know their ancestors were slaves to someone so dumb to USE ppl cuz they were of a different color. That's dumb. Are you saying the White race should forever be shunned for the acts of their ancestors? No one has a right to insult anyone, especially not in bigotry or racism. Oh, and Cuzza, you'll find just about everyone except the KKK hate the KKK... including most National Socialists, White Nationalists, etc. BTW... Jools, By the Middle East, I meant the hardcore Muslims. I speak from experience here - for the better part of a year, my family was harrassed by a Muslim family because my brother got married to their daughter. One incident involved my sister-in-law's Father trying to stab me with a knife. Why was there a problem? Bigotry - My brother wasn't a Muslim, he is a White Christian, and because of this... well, life wasn't all that great at the time. |
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CuZzA - Student 
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i guess i agree wid JJ aswell  _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Jools - Ex-Student
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JJ i think that middle-east people thinking of all the others as 'infidels' is more fanatism and ignorance than racism. racism, as the word says, discriminates on a racial basis. your thought was good anyway, it remembers us that everything is relative. -imo- -peace- _______________ [22:43] <[jools]> someday, i'll write on essay about feeling 60 but being 23 [22:44] <Jacen_Aratan> I think it is time to hand over a special thing... only given it out one time before... back in October or so... [22:44] * Jacen_Aratan hands [jools] the award "Coolest Newbie" xAnAtOs' best friend. |
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SedNox - Student 
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yup JJ is absolutly right!! _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Jools - Ex-Student
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i often have to regret belonging to the white side. we often behave (and behaved) horrible. i really feel sorry for all the mischiefs we've done and we do. i once read the Dalai Lama said 'my religion is very easy. my religion is kindness'. i think it would be a nice starting point for a better living. i sometimes give up to anger too, but i mostly stick to the 'light side'. _______________ [22:43] <[jools]> someday, i'll write on essay about feeling 60 but being 23 [22:44] <Jacen_Aratan> I think it is time to hand over a special thing... only given it out one time before... back in October or so... [22:44] * Jacen_Aratan hands [jools] the award "Coolest Newbie" xAnAtOs' best friend. |
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CuZzA - Student
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i...hate...the...KKK!!!!!! _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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Well for lots of years colored ppl were treated like p00p by white ppl, and that made them racists towards white ppl. I think they have their right to call someone "white boy" cuz you know their ancestors were slaves to someone so dumb to USE ppl cuz they were of a different color. That's dumb. _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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All I will say is, you can't blame racism on white people alone... Why is it that it's frowned upon for a Caucasian person to call a Negro a "black man", yet it's perfectly alright for a Negro to call a Caucasian person a "white boy"? I'm not justifying racism or anything, so don't assume anything. I think racism is one of the worst things in the world, I just think people need to realise that White people aren't the only people capable of racism. Hell, most of the Middle-East think that White people are "infidels". Go figure. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well i dont know many coloured ppl, but the ones I know, rock wish i could say that about us...  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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well I can't say black ppl like white ppl that much but I support them (colored ppl) _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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CuZzA - Student
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i'm white and i'm not being racist the other way, but i really do think that blacks have a much better attitude. now dont take me the wrong way, but i'm serious _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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Yup that's true. I've got a colored classmate (aka black), and everyone except a friend of mine and me call him "hey black guy" or "cmon slave" or "the nigger's talking" (all that in greek). I just wanna see them being tortured one day! So they think white ppl are better than black ppl? Damn they're annoying. _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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