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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student  |
Hey All, Moby here. Just wanted to drop a line and see what peoples thoughts are on the new upcoming film by Mel Gibson, The Passion. This movie is about the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ according to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I for one am thrilled that this movie is coming out. I have seen the trailers. You can too by clicking here http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com What do you guys think? Is Mel on the right track creating this movie? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This post was edited by cHoSeN oNe on Mar 09 2004 01:46am. |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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I heard trhis movie was more like horror flick cos u see the way jesus is treated eek painfull _______________ |
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You should have seen the look on Adam's face when Eve's first baby was Black. He was raaaaaather annoyed. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Yes, he had to give them a CHOICE to obey him or not - otherwise we'd just have been robots if we had to choose between good and good. _______________ Website |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
James: Let me just know if I'm understanding ya correctly. He made those apples forbidden to see if they would be tempted, and for no other reason, than to see if they could resist temptation? This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 02 2004 08:14pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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I totally agree with you Koyi. _______________ Website |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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/me cheers on Koyi!  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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I would almost agree with you, but I have found that a great many things in the Bible are shown at face value as in physical or moral lessons. At the same time with some studying, one can start to discover the true meaning of scriptures and see their spiritual meanings. Like when Jesus healed for example. Most of those healings were pointing to the fact that without Jesus's help, we cannot see the true meaning of His Word. We can't hear the true message in His gospel unless He gives us ears to hear. The raising of Lazzarus was the ultimate picture of His salvation plan. There Lazzarus laid dead in a tomb for days and was a stinking corpse. Now if anyone were to say to a dead man, "Dead man, come forth", it just wouldn't happen because the man is dead. There is no life in him and he is unable to respond, react, or obey that type of command yet when Jesus told Lazzarus to come forth, he did! Same is with us. The Bible will be quick to teach that all of mankind is out of the way, that they all collectively don't seek God. That they are all dead in their sins, that they are spiritually dead, and are unable to follow God's commandments unless God does His work of salvation. Just like Lazzarus, we can't obey God's commands unless God calls us to come forth to do His will. I'm sure that every letter of every word has it's meaning and is completely important when it comes to God's Word. I'm not sure if I can find any meaning out of the apple/fruit, but I can almost be sure there is one. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: Yes, but that still doesn't explain why he would make *those* apples forbidden..... That's a very interest and fair question Jacen Aratan. I will see if I can find any answers concerning this topic.  I think this might be difficult because I don't quite remember reading anything else about it. Just Genesis.  We will see if we can't find some sort of truth to answer this question. What else was he supposed to choose? The Bible doesn't tell us WHY he chose the tree, just that he did. It really isn't significant, or important. It would have made little difference if he had chosen anything else. Apart from the fact that if he had chosen something that was poisonous or unedible, no-one would have been tempted to eat it. The fact that he made it edible, made it tempted - and that meant Adam and Eve had to resist it. Its easy to not do something if you're not tempted by it. _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Yes, but that still doesn't explain why he would make *those* apples forbidden..... That's a very interest and fair question Jacen Aratan. I will see if I can find any answers concerning this topic. I think this might be difficult because I don't quite remember reading anything else about it. Just Genesis. We will see if we can't find some sort of truth to answer this question. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 01 2004 06:33pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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*cheers for Koyi* _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Really? REALLY? I don't ever recall myself swearing just because a topic was too much for me to discuss without all of the language. Just asking you to please follow the rules of the Jedi Academy even if others have a hard time doing it. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 01 2004 06:27pm. |
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VirusD - Student 
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ah well when i offended someone then sry and i did say belive in what u want in the end Swearing? plz every1 swearz when they get carryed away with the topic _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: What's the difference between Religion and Cult? Depends on your point of view. Christians may believe that all other religions are a form of cult or Occult worship simply because their gods aren't the true God in their eyes. Another way to look at it is a Man gave a child a fortune and knowledge of such is passed down through the generations of people. Now, did the man give the child a fortune? We can say that he didn't because it happened so long ago that there's no way of knowing if he truely did. However, he did because he did. We can be selective on what we believe or disbelieve but concerning God, He makes us believe and that is the only way we truely come to believe in Him. You would probably have to believe or truely believe to understand. Understand? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Mar 31 2004 10:40pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Believing in God, usually also means believing that God gave humans Free Will. We're not mindless puppets acting out a play, we have the ability to make good and bad choices. This includes going to war and killing people. Just wanted to touch on the subject of "free will". What is free will? To do what ever one wants? Is there any bounderies to what one can do with there free will? Having free will, can one fly? Can one raise the dead or cure the uncurable? Can one will himself to be invisible or to become a spirit? Will is very limited in my mind knowing that mankind only has a drop of knowledge in the ocean of wisdom. Here is some scriptures that can touch on this a bit I believe. In Romans 9:10-16 we read: 10)And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11)(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12)It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. 13)As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED. 14)What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid[Certainly not]. 15)For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. 16)So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but God that showeth mercy.Also in Romans 9:19-23 we read: 19)Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20)Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21)Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22)What if God, willing[wanting] to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to[prepared for] destruction: 23)And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore[beforehand] prepared unto glory, In Romans 11:33-36 we read: 33)O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34)FOR WHO HATH KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD? OR WHO HATH BEEN HIS COUNSELOR? 35)OR WHO HATH FIRST GIVEN TO HIM, AND IT SHALL BE RECOMPENSED[repaid] UNTO HIM AGAIN? 36)For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. These scriptures give us a good look at how limited our free will is concerning God and our worship towards Him. One may think that we might have the free will to worship God, but who can argue with Him? In Romans 3:9-12 we read: 9)What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise[Not at all]: for we have before[previously] proved both Jews and Gentiles[Greeks], that they are all under sin; 10)As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE: 11)THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD. 12)THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE. You had mentioned something about us not being puppets acting out a play, but these scriptures would certainly suggest that we were created with the sole purpose of glorifying God. Either by our life unto life through His Mercy or by our life unto death and the following eternal damnation as payment for our sins through His Wrath. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Mar 31 2004 10:00pm. |
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What's the difference between Religion and Cult? I think faith is a WONDERFUL thing. Believe it or not, i've very much tried to believe in God... but I just simply don't believe it. I have more faith in the human spirit than a God that may or may not exist. This comment was edited by  on Mar 31 2004 09:28pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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First of all, your free to have your opinion Virus. Your free to post it as well for that is what the forum is for. I don't see why you have to come on here with the swearing and putting peoples beliefs down along with calling them weak. I advise you to watch your language and respect others while visiting our servers Virus. As far as zeus and other gods go, yeah, man was created in the likeness or image of God. Deep down inside mankind knows there's a God. That is why there are so many different religions in the world. Mankind in it's own finite minds reaches out trying to discover God and usually comes up worshipping the creation and not the Creator. You know, before Jesus Christ, the God of the Bible was actually called God, the LORD which was really either Yaweh or Jahovah (please excuse the spelling if either are wrong  ), or just Lord in the old testament. The books of the old testament date back thousands of years. Don't know if they were before these other gods, but that really doesn't make any differance. I could try all day and all night trying to sway all non-believers to believe in God and accomplish nothing. If it were in God's plan for you to believe in Him at this point in your life, you would. I will pray for you my friend and hope God becomes your light in this dark world. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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VirusD - Student 
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Ok i think there are a lot of diffrent people and all have diffrent opinions.So i hope someone isent dumb inof to see all black and white. omg after some reading ( yes i know damn it , read more then write )Ok.....my complite opinion...i think there is no god.And i think all this god shit was made up for the weakkk minded ( muahah sw ).Lets face it , crusaders attacked and killed tons of peeps who dident belive in christ....well anyways if someone wants to belive in god ...then omg plz do.But u got to admit if u reallly think about it and look at the other gods like zeus etc...who were made up before christ and that shit.....U see there is no god .There just cant be.There are tons of animals , bugs , animals , viruses and their all living things.You mean god made em up them 2 .And what about the other planetes? -sigh- ok i am going insane with my FUCK There is no god get a life moral .belive in what u want... _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Mar 31 2004 06:14pm. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Erm… Ok my thoughts on the movie: I think watching a film about the last 12 hours is a futile waste of time and can only invoke negativity. I think that the whole testament of Jesus and all his teachings are the real concern of us. The last 12 hours means nothing without the whole story. Even Jesus said that (not in those exact words no). Why focus on the bad and hope for the best? It hasn’t accomplished anything in this thread yet! Before I get totally bashed after having made this post I’d just like to say I love you all! Let’s see what kind of humans you are. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Jacen the bible teaches that we are to obey gods word. In the Garden of Eden he specifically gave the command not to eat of the tree with the forbidden fruit. Adam and Eve didnt listen. That started the sin in this world. Its just like anything else in this world. If you break a law you must pay for it. If you murder someone and a cop catches you, the price must be paid. Its the same thing. We are responsible for our own actions and we must pay for them.  Yes, but that still doesn't explain why he would make *those* apples forbidden..... |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: but dont you all believe that if there was one all powerfull god of everything - wouldnt he make all the terrible things go away? wars,killing,all the sad sad stuff? Believing in God, usually also means believing that God gave humans Free Will. We're not mindless puppets acting out a play, we have the ability to make good and bad choices. This includes going to war and killing people. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Jacen the bible teaches that we are to obey gods word. In the Garden of Eden he specifically gave the command not to eat of the tree with the forbidden fruit. Adam and Eve didnt listen. That started the sin in this world. Its just like anything else in this world. If you break a law you must pay for it. If you murder someone and a cop catches you, the price must be paid. Its the same thing. We are responsible for our own actions and we must pay for them. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Which proves that he is no forgiving god, no offense. Is it just me, or is the whole meaning of the forbidden apples thingy weird? I mean, surely the apples themselves weren't that important... whereas I fail to see the symbolics. God tempts humans, just to tempt them? Or what? |
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JamesF1 - Student
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That was the original plan of God. But, man (namely Adam and Eve) mucked it up. So it was only through man's own actions that we have the bad things on this Earth. _______________ Website |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yeah _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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I wish it was like that Plo. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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