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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student  |
Hey All, Moby here. Just wanted to drop a line and see what peoples thoughts are on the new upcoming film by Mel Gibson, The Passion. This movie is about the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ according to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I for one am thrilled that this movie is coming out. I have seen the trailers. You can too by clicking here http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com What do you guys think? Is Mel on the right track creating this movie? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This post was edited by cHoSeN oNe on Mar 09 2004 01:46am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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well, yes, I knew that. But what does that have to do with him now? Now he surely ain't light, right? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Brief Explanation: Satan used to be an angel in Heaven (the lead musician) and, as such, was a 'messenger of Light' (aka angels). However, he rebelled against God and God cast him out of heaven! _______________ Website |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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I happened to read that... Satan is described as a messenger of Light? please explain... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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In response to your questions Helendor, it wasn't a completely taken from the Bible and it also had a number of things added into the story. Most of your questions are the addins for what ever reason they felt they needed to add to this story. Jesus was never described in the Bible and it never described Jesus having gold colored eyes. He was a Jew and a Carpenter so I would try to picture hHm as such without all of His Glory. The creepy woman with the mans voice following Jesus all around would most likely be the character of Satan because the he/she was constantly testing Him. As far as my memory goes, I don't remember Satan testing Jesus in the garden nor standing watch as He was being crucified. Satan is also described as a messenger of Light. I'll get more into this response later.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Jade - Student 
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Excellent Thread! I would just like to add to these comments. Whatever you believe in or dont believe in, remember this. Jesus came as a slave and did not seek fame and fortune. He had wisdom. If you dont believe in Jesus or God...believe in his teachings. They are all based around how we should treat each other. How to make our lives better. They are all about RESPECT and LOVE....Love thy neighbour. Whether Jesus existed or not is not as important as believing in the words. Respecting and loving each other will bring happiness and fulfillment in our short existence. Peace to you all and may the force be....... _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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*bump* I've seen the movie saturday, and I have a couple of questions: - Why has Jesus gold-coloured eyes? - Who is this cloaked creepy guy that screams after Jesus 'died', and who is the 'baby' he carries? - Is the movie an interpretation or an exact reflection of the bible? - What is the thing Judas sees after he sees Jesus hanging from the bridge? I hope these questions are not too stupid  |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: I didn't mean it like that... If you are referring to my playfully snide remark about you and Aron agreeing, I know you didn't mean it like that. I was just giving you a little ribbing. If you are referring to the more important part, namely the allegation that the majority of atheists deny God for convenience rather than true skepticism, then may I ask for clarification? It was the latter point - I couldn't care less about what anyone thought of the first point  And yes, when I have a little more time, I will clarify But right now, I don't have an awful lot - my mum is in hospital. _______________ Website |
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Nero - Student 
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hmm Interesting Koyi, but do you believe in one single god then? your theory will also go for Hinduism and maybe even the romand and ancient greek religion... (yes they'll also go for the Koran, but that's basicly the old testament) _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Apr 12 2004 10:05am. |
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Meh, Koyi. I used all of those because examples, because 1) we can be pretty sure not half the witches burned had any chance of being witches (they were probably either random victims or political dangerous types), 2) we don't have any proof of them (nor that they don't exist, true), and 3) I don't believe any sort of magic/supernatural beings/monsters.  |
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Bandit - Student 
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Quote: Bandit, I would just like to say that I've always enjoyed reading your posts and responses on these types of debates. You have a very leveled head on your shoulders and I love your thoughts. I hope you will always be posting with us. Thanks Koyi. I, too, enjoy reading your responses on these types of debates. While we differ in our views on many things, I appreciate your well thought out replies and perspective. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Bandit - Student 
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Quote: I didn't mean it like that... If you are referring to my playfully snide remark about you and Aron agreeing, I know you didn't mean it like that. I was just giving you a little ribbing. If you are referring to the more important part, namely the allegation that the majority of atheists deny God for convenience rather than true skepticism, then may I ask for clarification? _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) This comment was edited by Bandit on Apr 12 2004 07:01am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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But who can argue if they are real or not? God speaks of Leviathan in the Bible and other beast of the sea. He also addresses psychics,(people who communicate with spirits), and people that who practice magics and witchcrafts. I know that a great many people practice magics in our days whether it be religious or just practices. Tarrot card and palm readers come amazingly close to knowing who you are and predicing whats going on in your life without even knowing anything about you. I don't doubt these things at all. If you think of the oceans, we really don't know too much about them. We can only go so deep and the deeper we go we can't see anything anyway. There's a whole other space down there with who knows what creatures and secrets. We can only make educated guesses at this point and where whole crews of sailers have sworn that giant tenticles attacked their ships, I don't doubt that at all. Especially after hearing about how one crew described cutting one tenticle off and another crew that was attacked by the same creature saw a shovel shaped tenticle. Could be made up, but who really knows. Do we have any proof that such creatures don't exist? No, so logically we can't just say that they don't exist. Edit - As far as Nessie the sea monster and bigfoot are concerned, it is quite possible that people seeking attention could have pulled these great myths out of their (_!_)'s by taking pictures of people dressed up, making false footprints, or even photographing lake debris at wierd angles. I think that in lakes up north from where I live, men have constructed sea monsters to take out into the lake to create some type of hype. I think that they can be visited in a museum today but I've never seen them. These could easily be something made up from the minds of men, but who really knows the truth behind these myths. Perhaps only those who have brought forth any evidence know the true answer to these. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: [...]I think it never would have been excepted by the people if it didn't start with them from the beginning and it's stories weren't true. People back then weren't much different from the humanity that we have now and I think it would have been rejected if it indeed didn't seem true or trustworthy. And I'm sure the miracles and workings of God helped their belief along. [...] There I disagree. People believed in witches, seamonsters, and other kinds of weird creatures. There's no need for something to be true, for men to believe it. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Nero. If you would study the Bible and see the great many truths and spiritual lessons in it from one cover to the next from thousands of years ago when it was first starting to be written to the fairly recent with it being completed shortly after the death of Jesus, you may want to rethink that statement just for a second. Now I'm not saying that this is absolute proof that God exists and He wrote His Word, but nothing like the Bible has ever come or been created before. This book is amazing. Doesn't seem like much at first, maybe just a bunch of stories and so called historical facts, but once you see how everything starts to fit together to create the gospel of Christ, it really is just breath taking. I for one think that the Bible written by so many different writers wouldn't be anything near what it is if not written by a superior being, namely God. And to think that this Book was being written and read to the people of Isreal so long ago up until not that long ago. I think it never would have been excepted by the people if it didn't start with them from the beginning and it's stories weren't true. People back then weren't much different from the humanity that we have now and I think it would have been rejected if it indeed didn't seem true or trustworthy. And I'm sure the miracles and workings of God helped their belief along. If something of this nature was created today purely in and of itself, I don't think it would float. Maybe an off shoot or alternate style of some religious belief that exists, but not a totally new one. Sure one could be created and perhaps followed to a certain extent by a limited number of people trying to grasp something meaningful in their lifes, but it would never take off or reach the popularity of the Bible. Bandit, I would just like to say that I've always enjoyed reading your posts and responses on these types of debates. You have a very leveled head on your shoulders and I love your thoughts. I hope you will always be posting with us. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: But does everything follow those laws? Yes, I believe that every single thing has a beginning, and an end. So to me it's clear mankind will be extinct at one point. The whole kosmos will end. And then there is nothing left. Freaky thought. There is a bright side though. I also believe in cycle, so after the kosmos 'died', there will be a new one. How? I don't know, but this general rule seems to be applied on everything around us. Happy thought |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: I can't really think of anything to follow that excellent post Koyi. But I will answer Aratan's question. Quote: And please explain to me what you mean by 'more desirable to the general population'. The majority of people who have seen the proof for Creation and STILL believe Evolution, do so because they do not want the responsibility of being accountable to some higher being - they want to be in control. Aron and I were discussing this only a few days ago - and we agree. ROFL! Well, if you and Aron BOTH agree, then it must be true. Sorry, forgive the sarcasm. I just get so tired of seeing this common misperception. My sister holds this view and she just can't seem to grasp the concept either. I think most religious people, because they are convinced they are right, fall into the trap of assuming everyone must really see things the same way they do, they just don't want to admit it. Nothing could be further from the truth. I, as an atheist, would love to believe the concept of God. I mean, it would be great to know you were designed with a purpose and that you could spend all eternity with family and friends in eternal bliss. However, I can't delude myself into believing something I truly don't believe. You stating that atheists who still believe in evolution (after seeing what you term to believe to be "proof" in creation)are doing so out of not wanting to be held accountable is about as silly as me saying that Christians really know there isn't a God but are too scared to admit that there is nothing more than this life. I didn't mean it like that... _______________ Website |
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Nero - Student 
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I hope I won't offense anyone with this, but... I think god is 'made' by human as a reason to be here. We basicly told ourselves: okay 'someting' made us and this is our exam to go to some better place. I would be so happy if I could believe this...but I can't. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Bandit - Student
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Quote: I can't really think of anything to follow that excellent post Koyi. But I will answer Aratan's question. Quote: And please explain to me what you mean by 'more desirable to the general population'. The majority of people who have seen the proof for Creation and STILL believe Evolution, do so because they do not want the responsibility of being accountable to some higher being - they want to be in control. Aron and I were discussing this only a few days ago - and we agree. ROFL! Well, if you and Aron BOTH agree, then it must be true. Sorry, forgive the sarcasm. I just get so tired of seeing this common misperception. My sister holds this view and she just can't seem to grasp the concept either. I think most religious people, because they are convinced they are right, fall into the trap of assuming everyone must really see things the same way they do, they just don't want to admit it. Nothing could be further from the truth. I, as an atheist, would love to believe the concept of God. I mean, it would be great to know you were designed with a purpose and that you could spend all eternity with family and friends in eternal bliss. However, I can't delude myself into believing something I truly don't believe. You stating that atheists who still believe in evolution (after seeing what you term to believe to be "proof" in creation)are doing so out of not wanting to be held accountable is about as silly as me saying that Christians really know there isn't a God but are too scared to admit that there is nothing more than this life. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Meh. I'm going to intterupt this here, today. Happy Easter! Alleluia! Christ is risen! Christ is risen indeed! Alleluia! That is all. Continue on. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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I can't really think of anything to follow that excellent post Koyi. But I will answer Aratan's question. Quote: And please explain to me what you mean by 'more desirable to the general population'. The majority of people who have seen the proof for Creation and STILL believe Evolution, do so because they do not want the responsibility of being accountable to some higher being - they want to be in control. Aron and I were discussing this only a few days ago - and we agree. _______________ Website |
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Nero - Student
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Well...I think every extrodonary happened is basicly an explenation for something else. For example: how did pigs came? some people where naughty and got punished by turning them into pig's. This happens with the Greek and Roman religion all the time. So why not in the bible? _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Apr 11 2004 12:58pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: So, imagine this, imagine there was absolutely no proof for either of them - which would be easier to believe? Creation. Which would be more desirable to the general population? Evolution. Just because it's popular, doesn't make it right. Unless I'm mistaken, there are more religious (all religions go under this, not just Christians) people than atheists in the world. So what you just said makes no sense. And please explain to me what you mean by 'more desirable to the general population'. Look at America, most people I meet who are from America are religious. Same goes for Africa, Asia, South America, Southern Europe. And as for Koyi saying the cities mentioned in the Bible being found - I personally don't doubt the Bible has some historical accuracy, concerning the surroundings - I just don't believe any of the miracles or God stuff in it. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 11 2004 11:00am. |
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Nero - Student
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Is there a beginning anyway? what does proof there is a beginning? People always think beginning -- End. In the world we live in everything is going that way. But does everything follow those laws? _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: What I'm saying is, you SAY there is no proof for Creation - but it is FACT there is none for Evolution. That's not true. There may be proof to support the evolution theory, but it has not been found yet. Again, it's about in which one you believe. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Our minds really are to finite to think in terms of infinity, neverending, and the like. It's very easy to think about the things of this world. Look around. Everything has it's place in the grand scheme of things. How does it get there? We witness it day in and day out. Everything we see and know is created as far as this planet is concerned. Science has discovered that much, but what put this whole thing into a spinning, orderly system that seems to be breaking down through our interference. Blind chance or creation? I don't think chaos could ever get this formula right on any scale. I think a creator is much easier to accept then cosmic farts that spin everthing into a well developed perfect existance. Maybe people have such a hard time believing is such because since they too being a part of the creation would have to amount to whatever it was that the creator has in mind for them. Mankind doesn't like feeling helpless or not in control of their own destinies. If God is denied, at least man can live out their lives in their own minds in some type of meaningful existance doing only what is pleasing for themselves as time permits. What happens when time is up? Imagine this... You sitting where ever it is that you are reading this. In your homes, at school, at work, where ever. Perhaps you have friends over, perhaps not but all of a sudden there is a great commotion. In your house, on your screen, on the streets, somewhere very near by. You check it out wondering what's going on to realize that there is a super bright light in the sky and many around you are crying saying loved ones lifted up into the air towards this light. People are standing in amazement, people are running for their lives, people are prophesising end times. It's made mention that this is a world wide phenomenon and you start to wonder why they were selected, why you were not. As hours pass, the dead begin to rise from their graves, crawl up out of the oceans, sea's, rivers, streams, brooks, ponds, and lakes. Others just phase back into existance and all are very fearfully looking towards this light that the whole world can see. Judgement day has indead come and the time and place are so clear now. A great volume of books are opened and all stand trial for their rebellion against God, none having any reason or excuse to escape their punishment. This punishment is super terrible which goes for ever and ever and ever with no end or hope of easing up or stopping even for an instant whether it be an actual lake of fire or something simular spiritually speaking. Your turn comes when you must hear every wicked thing you did and you are just speechless as you stand before Almighty God in all of His Glory and you can't give any account for your actions and behavior. Before you know it, you too are sentenced into eternal damnation and your suffering begins and continues and continues. The pain and agony are too great to put into words as you writhe in unbearable torment for what seems forever. Life times pass like days with no sign of it ever stopping. You cry out with load crys begging for forgiveness pleading that you will do whatever is necessary for this torture to stop and can't help but to hate yourself for not doing anything earlier when you were still alive and well. No one hears nor answers your voice and your lot is final with no relief and no end. Pretty scary, eh? I scared myself with that one. Now I'm not saying that we have the power, wisdom, truth, or anything that might steer us right with God. But God hasn't passed judgement on us yet and today is still the day of salvation to His elect. The environment in which He saves is through His Word. Not in us practicing or accepting it, but just hearing it and having God pay for our sins through Jesus Christ's suffering and God's Holy Spirit applying His Word to our lives through His will. Oh, how I wish there was some way that I can make myself right with God, not only myself but all of those I love. I hope and pray that is mercy is overly abundant and saves a great deal of us all. What can it hurt to read the Bible a little hear and there? If it truely is God's Word, at least we are putting ourselves in the environment for salvation and if it's wrong then we waist a little time in our lifetime. And if you think about eternity, our lifetime is nothing more then a drop in an ocean. What does a little time in a book matter when you think about that? Instead of useless debates over who has proof and how or where one gets it, we should be searching the scriptures for truth IMO. Isn't that why we are all posting on this thread? Maybe some are just spitting up info on a movie based on one of the many stories of the Bible, but those questioning and answering are all seeking truth. Let us search together in hopes that God will have mercy on a great many of us. May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word anywhere and everywhere. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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