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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student  |
Hey All, Moby here. Just wanted to drop a line and see what peoples thoughts are on the new upcoming film by Mel Gibson, The Passion. This movie is about the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ according to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I for one am thrilled that this movie is coming out. I have seen the trailers. You can too by clicking here http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com What do you guys think? Is Mel on the right track creating this movie? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This post was edited by cHoSeN oNe on Mar 09 2004 01:46am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: So, imagine this, imagine there was absolutely no proof for either of them - which would be easier to believe? Creation. Which would be more desirable to the general population? Evolution. Just because it's popular, doesn't make it right. Unless I'm mistaken, there are more religious (all religions go under this, not just Christians) people than atheists in the world. So what you just said makes no sense. And please explain to me what you mean by 'more desirable to the general population'. Look at America, most people I meet who are from America are religious. Same goes for Africa, Asia, South America, Southern Europe. And as for Koyi saying the cities mentioned in the Bible being found - I personally don't doubt the Bible has some historical accuracy, concerning the surroundings - I just don't believe any of the miracles or God stuff in it.  This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 11 2004 11:00am. |
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Nero - Student 
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Is there a beginning anyway? what does proof there is a beginning? People always think beginning -- End. In the world we live in everything is going that way. But does everything follow those laws? _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: What I'm saying is, you SAY there is no proof for Creation - but it is FACT there is none for Evolution. That's not true. There may be proof to support the evolution theory, but it has not been found yet. Again, it's about in which one you believe. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Our minds really are to finite to think in terms of infinity, neverending, and the like. It's very easy to think about the things of this world. Look around. Everything has it's place in the grand scheme of things. How does it get there? We witness it day in and day out. Everything we see and know is created as far as this planet is concerned. Science has discovered that much, but what put this whole thing into a spinning, orderly system that seems to be breaking down through our interference. Blind chance or creation? I don't think chaos could ever get this formula right on any scale. I think a creator is much easier to accept then cosmic farts that spin everthing into a well developed perfect existance. Maybe people have such a hard time believing is such because since they too being a part of the creation would have to amount to whatever it was that the creator has in mind for them. Mankind doesn't like feeling helpless or not in control of their own destinies. If God is denied, at least man can live out their lives in their own minds in some type of meaningful existance doing only what is pleasing for themselves as time permits. What happens when time is up? Imagine this... You sitting where ever it is that you are reading this. In your homes, at school, at work, where ever. Perhaps you have friends over, perhaps not but all of a sudden there is a great commotion. In your house, on your screen, on the streets, somewhere very near by. You check it out wondering what's going on to realize that there is a super bright light in the sky and many around you are crying saying loved ones lifted up into the air towards this light. People are standing in amazement, people are running for their lives, people are prophesising end times. It's made mention that this is a world wide phenomenon and you start to wonder why they were selected, why you were not. As hours pass, the dead begin to rise from their graves, crawl up out of the oceans, sea's, rivers, streams, brooks, ponds, and lakes. Others just phase back into existance and all are very fearfully looking towards this light that the whole world can see. Judgement day has indead come and the time and place are so clear now. A great volume of books are opened and all stand trial for their rebellion against God, none having any reason or excuse to escape their punishment. This punishment is super terrible which goes for ever and ever and ever with no end or hope of easing up or stopping even for an instant whether it be an actual lake of fire or something simular spiritually speaking. Your turn comes when you must hear every wicked thing you did and you are just speechless as you stand before Almighty God in all of His Glory and you can't give any account for your actions and behavior. Before you know it, you too are sentenced into eternal damnation and your suffering begins and continues and continues. The pain and agony are too great to put into words as you writhe in unbearable torment for what seems forever. Life times pass like days with no sign of it ever stopping. You cry out with load crys begging for forgiveness pleading that you will do whatever is necessary for this torture to stop and can't help but to hate yourself for not doing anything earlier when you were still alive and well. No one hears nor answers your voice and your lot is final with no relief and no end. Pretty scary, eh? I scared myself with that one. Now I'm not saying that we have the power, wisdom, truth, or anything that might steer us right with God. But God hasn't passed judgement on us yet and today is still the day of salvation to His elect. The environment in which He saves is through His Word. Not in us practicing or accepting it, but just hearing it and having God pay for our sins through Jesus Christ's suffering and God's Holy Spirit applying His Word to our lives through His will. Oh, how I wish there was some way that I can make myself right with God, not only myself but all of those I love. I hope and pray that is mercy is overly abundant and saves a great deal of us all. What can it hurt to read the Bible a little hear and there? If it truely is God's Word, at least we are putting ourselves in the environment for salvation and if it's wrong then we waist a little time in our lifetime. And if you think about eternity, our lifetime is nothing more then a drop in an ocean. What does a little time in a book matter when you think about that? Instead of useless debates over who has proof and how or where one gets it, we should be searching the scriptures for truth IMO. Isn't that why we are all posting on this thread? Maybe some are just spitting up info on a movie based on one of the many stories of the Bible, but those questioning and answering are all seeking truth. Let us search together in hopes that God will have mercy on a great many of us. May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word anywhere and everywhere. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. 
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 11 2004 10:11am. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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What I'm saying is, you SAY there is no proof for Creation - but it is FACT there is none for Evolution. So, imagine this, imagine there was absolutely no proof for either of them - which would be easier to believe? Creation. Which would be more desirable to the general population? Evolution. Just because it's popular, doesn't make it right. _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I on the other hand don't think that it is a pointless debate. True, one can't come onto this thread and drop physical or spiritual proof that Jesus or God exists. One can however read God's Word the Bible and see what they think of it. One might find that somewhere down the road that is their life while reading the Bible that they find an intense desire to do the will of God. Gaining for theirselves a strong love for His Word always wanting to be obedient to it. Experiencing a changed life with little to no effort with God's Spirit leading them. Then again, one can read God's word for their whole life wanting to become saved and never receive God's merciful saving grace. One can read with their own intense desire to do God's will doing many wonderful things for what they believe is in His name and never have God's love. One can change their life hoping that that would be enough to please God, but never realizing that they are still guilty for their sins and they have to be payed for. Only things I would like to throw up in the air are these. I'm not very wise when it comes to the things of this world academically. I only know what I've heard and am searching for more proof that the Bible is true and trustworthy in a physical way that others, believers and non-believers alike, can see it's truths. I heard that in one of the older stories of the old testament when God wouldn't let the sun fall until some battle was won or something to that effect was actually recorded elsewhere in another nation on the other side of the world when they experienced extended darkness for the same amount of time in the same time period. I've heard that cities of old that are mentioned in the Bible are being found today. I've even heard rumors of Noah's arc being discoved, but I'm not to sure I would want to believe those. I will post back at a later time if I ever discover actual scriptures and proofs to support them. As for whether God is male or female, I would stick with the more obvious answer and say male due to the fact that God always refers to Himself as He, His, and Father. I don't really understand where this thought about God being a woman comes from.  Also, with the whole tree of the knowledge of good and evil is concerned, I don't think the Bible ever refers to the fruit that was eaten to be an apple. Don't know where that one comes from either but some may be wondering if God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, has seen His whole creation from start to finish knowing all about everything, why would He even set up that test in the garden to begin with knowing full well that man would fall into sin and rebellion. Does anyone know the answer to this one? God discloses the answer in the Bible and I'm just interested to see how many might actually know the answer to this one. Remember, from His Word the Bible the answer is to be found. I will post back either when someone gets it or to reveal this answer if no one has any idea. At least I think it's the answer. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I already said it was a pointless discussion, 20 replies ago, in the evolution vs creation thread... but did ya listen?  |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Ah, but do you have any PROOF that Evolution happened? No, but you believe it. Exactly, but the same goes for the creation theory. See the pointlessness of this discussion? |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Ah, but do you have any PROOF that Evolution happened? No, but you believe it. _______________ Website |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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He'll probably pull the same stunts he did in Bruce Almighty |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Ah, but do I have any PROOF that he is God? |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: Well, yes, if I wanted what God had forbidden me to take, I would. So I'm greedy, sue me. Really? Because if I would see God, with my own eyes, and I could pratically touch him (her?), I would have no reason not to believe in God, so the important stuff in the bible must be true. So if he told me not to do something in particular, I would definetly not do it |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Well, yes, if I wanted what God had forbidden me to take, I would. So I'm greedy, sue me. |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student 
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the entire apples point is that Adam and Eve both knew God, what he is and what he did, and even after directly being told not to do something they did it. Its not a matter of how tempting the apple is this case, its the fact that they gave in to temptation. If God came up to you today and said not to do something and you recognised this in the full knowledge that it was God talking to you, would you do it? There were other fruits on other trees if they were hungry. And Sir Biznatch you dont damn mankind when you do something you're not ment to - you're already damned . Thats the entire need for the saving grace of Jesus. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Just remember - how the hell is it anti-semetic when Jesus was a Jew? _______________ Website |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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I think his life and his ressurection are important in thier own ways. His life was the example, his death was for our forgiveness and his resurrection was so that we would be justified. ALL VERY IMPORTANT -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Caesar shmaesar! Until God himself speaks to me, I have no reason to believe. I heard an interesting theory that alot of the "miracles" he performed in the bible were metaphors. It sounds like a very plausable theory. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this, but i'm allowed to express my opinion and beliefs... but if i'll happily discuss it in a private discussion if you so wish. Using this movie to fuel anti-semetism is nothing more than using artistic work as an excuse for hatred. It's... well, primative to hate someone for their beliefs or race. It's that little thing called bigotry. However, it appears to me that Islamic folks will express their beliefs, and will go to extreme measures to follow them... even violently, sometimes. Well, i'm going to watch this movie right now... i'll post here and let you boys and girls know what I think. |
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Buzz - Student 
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JJ there really isn't any question about whether he existed or not. Didn't someone say we had more proof of Jesus' existence than Julius Ceasar's? Whether or not he was the Son of God is more of a debatable thing. How he died also isn't that uncommon either. Crucifixions did happen back then. Afterall two criminals were crucified with him. Jesus wasn't that much of a criminal though and did not stay dead. What I find a bit interesting is that this movie is doing really well in the middle east and is being said to fuel anti-semitism. Now my question is, do they really need another excuse to me anti-semitic there? Do the really need one more hollow ridiculous thing to claim? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Stick to the topic, boys and girls! This is about the Passion of the Christ, a movie by Mel Gibson... not about apples So basically, this just came out here... it's being referred to as the Movie that the World is talking about. I think it's a good thing to see just what Jesus Christ went through... I mean, he sacrificed so much for us. Whether his existance was real or not, for those who have faith, I think this is a must-see. I'm unreligious, but I none the less believe this will be interesting to see. I'm downloading this movie right now. ...is it blasphemous to download a movie about Jesus Christ? |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: so you think everybody on this planet now knows Jesus christ because he suffered??? Well, yes! Nine out of ten times I see Jesus' image somewhere, he's nailed on a cross (sorry, I couldn't think of a nicer way to put it). |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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I think the rest of his life is just as important as the moment of his resurrection _______________ |
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Nero - Student
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so you think everybody on this planet now knows Jesus christ because he suffered??? I could pick millions of people who suffered aswell. He however proved he was the son of god by standing up from his dead. In my opinion that's the most important part. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Apr 08 2004 02:57pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: But is it the most important part? Yes, it is the most important part. |
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Nero - Student
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I've read the script of this movie and I came to this conclusion: WHY THE HECK IS SOMEONE MAKING A MOVIE LIKE THIS!!?? The entire story of Jesus Christ is about the fact he did 'impossible'things, lived for mankind and most of all, devide dead (without this he wouldn't be as important as he is now) What I'll see in this movie when I watch it is nothing but his suffering, what do I learn from this concerning Jesus Christ's life except for the cruelty? Ofcourse it's an important matter he suffers for the sake of our world. But is it the most important part? Would it be amazing if I for example would suffer for this world? I do not think so. Next time let them make a movie about how his life was, not about how the people killed him in the most cruel way there is. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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Jacen - The fem-bot represented Eve....and Bender represents God....and his evil brother would be the apple/Satan. And - Book of who? _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters This comment was edited by SirBizNatch on Apr 06 2004 03:25pm. |
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