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Dicemaster - Student  |
So I went out in my backyard and did some trap shooting yesterday with my mossberg 12Gauge shotgun, (i'm 17 and it is registered to my name) and i decieded it would be interesting to see what the ppl here think.. I own my own gun, how many other ppl own there own guns, and how many ppl would get freaked out if i brought that fact up in normal conversation -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Does it bother you that i'm 17 years old and I own my own gun, and could walk into a store and buy one and be out of the store with the gun in under 10 minutes (in certain parts of the United States, completely legal. Also its a shotgun, a pistol has a 10 day waiting period like anywhere else)
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Sure I understand you can't just ban guns in the USA tommorrow and expect to see the death toll (?) lowered, but still I think a situation without guns is better than one with guns. |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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but if you were to ban guns tomorrow there are so many illegal guns in our country, USA, that it would be impossible. And the ppl with the legal guns are not the problem, most of those ppl are good law abiding citizens, the illegal guns that we could never get off the street are the problems. And we have strict laws against carring a gun without a lisence, but our criminals just don't care if they get caught -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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The thing is, here where it's illegal to get guns, criminals are afraid of getting caught buying, transporting, carrying or using the gun. So if they're really cowards, like you said, they won't buy, let alone use a gun during a burglary in a country where it's illegal. |
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Buzz - Student 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Many criminals are cowards when it comes down to it. They will only prey on those they see as weaker than them. So when they do have a gun they feel pretty powerful and like no one can stop them. But when the owner of a house also has a gun they lose their advantage. Now they are going to risk death for a few trinkets and money. Most stun guns and tasers require you to be close to the crook as well don't they? Like within armslength? "Don't shoot me yet my stun gun doesn't go as far as your bullets do so that's not fair" Try using that against a man with a gun sometime. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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I think dice's analogy is fine. When someone breaks into your house you do not know why they are there. It can range from just typical burgalary too a more malicious such as kidnapping, rape, or murder. Now if its just regular burgalary the situation can still take a turn for the worse. When most criminals break into a house they try to do it when someone is not there because there intent is to steal and get out. Most burgalars are not the brightest bunch and get startled easliy (since most are usually totally burned out because of drugs). So when all of a sudden they find out that the house they thought was empty is actually occupied who knows what they might do. They have the choice to eaither run or to shut you up by any means neccesary. If the owner of the house owns a gun and is able to whip it out for self defense then most likily the criminal is going to regret robbing that house. Just because the owner pulls out the gun does not mean that they will kill the robber. A smart gun owner will most likely be knowledgable in how to subdue a robber with out having to kill them. But if worse comes to worse then death might be inevitable. That doesnt mean that the home owner is off the hook because it was self defense. The home owner by law has to go through a trail process to determine if the death was self defense. Its up to the courts to decide that. Also saying that it is unfair to have gun when the criminal has a club is really kinda stupid. I could care less if the criminal only has a club. He is a CRIMINAL! The world is not a fair place. If this person feels he can just take what is rightfully mine then he needs some sense knocked into him and if that sense is a .45 round to the kneecaps the so be it. This is the kind of debate that may never end. Its blending different ideaologies and thoughts of mind. People coming from different backrounds and parts of the world may not comprehend the views of another on a debate such as this. To fully understand these comments and thoughts you have to grasp where these views are coming from. My views are coming from the kind of world I personally live in. The world is a danerous place and always will be. You just sorta have to live the best you can individually. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Nero - Student 
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But don't you think that IF you are a criminal and guns are being sold in the country/state you're living in it's more easy to get one than if it itsn't alowed in any part of the nation? _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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no its not that easy to get a gun....on a pistol or anything like that there is a 10 day background check so if you have like any criminol history you wont get the gun whoever said they are never coming to my state, we are one of the saftest states in the US so  _______________ Dicemaster |
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Nero - Student
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Well the self defence thing is all great. BUT You must also realise that it would be the most stupid bugler ever if he was not carrying a gun by himself. It's easy to get one isn't it??? As the bugler is threatened he's more likely to shoot than if he isn't. So basicly you're not just giving the defender a weapon but giving the attacker one aswell. Will it help then??? I don't think so. If they both had a hammer they'd attack each other with a hammer, if they both have a gun, they'll both attack with the damn gun. Further you've got this element of surprise thing. If I'm sleeping and someone walks into my room I won't have the time to grasp my gun. But he has it in his hands allready. I think that giving people the right to hold a gun is more dangerous than give them something Unleatal. A bugler won't attack with some pepperspray...but You can defend yourself veeery well with it. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Quote: Same mom, 120 pounds is attacked by same robber, who still just has a club. She pulls out a gun and screams "get the F*ck outa here or i'll shoot" robber is more likely to leave. That is a really bad arguement, why does she need a freaking LETHAL weapon. How about a taser, or a stun gun, or even those plastic bullets they use for riots, a person of 90 pounds could just as easily deter a rober with those as they could a gun. P.S. Also pepper spray could work well. EDIT: Oh yeah to just to be clear, she has the gun, to shoot the plastic bullets, not just the bullets.  _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) This comment was edited by (Jedi)Obi-JK on Mar 13 2004 10:29am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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dice, what state do you live in?  because i'm never going WITHIN 300 KM OF IT!!! _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Zing98 - Student 
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It worrie sme, but not in your case specifically, it worries me that ANYONE can just get a gun that easily _______________ "Stop acting like little girls and learn to suck up to the mods like normal people" Remind me to kill my parents for loss of JA for so long. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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So you say, if the American government made their citizens more fit and healthy, there would be no need for guns  |
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Fate - Student 
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Dice: Let me take your arguement of the single mom a little further. That same woman pulls out a nuke; that guy is running for the hills! lol Your arguement is good, but I just had to joke. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Dicemaster - Student
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hehe in my state we are also eased into adult hood earlier we can drive with an adualt at 14, 6 months later we can drive by ourself anytime from 6AM-8PM at 16 we can drive by ourself...anytime...anywhere...including other states where you cant drive by yourself at that age, because its a legal liscence in your home state also if a bugler comes in with a hammer theres no way to say he wasn't insane and was intending on beating you to death, so you never know i mean club vs. club you might die, you pull a gun and he has a club he will probably decide its time go. now lets put a senario Single mom, 120 pounds, is attacked in the night. She pulls out a hammer to defend her self, robber sees this as a challenge he can win, beats her to unconciousness-or death. Same mom, 120 pounds is attacked by same robber, who still just has a club. She pulls out a gun and screams "get the F*ck outa here or i'll shoot" robber is more likely to leave. ALthough i'd still like to say i never have, nor ever plan to use my gun in self defence. Reason for this? in my area of town we can leave our doors unlocked 24/7 and never get robbed. we have a VERY low crime rate. I would also feel safe, walking almost anywhere in my town bymyself at night -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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no one can say this, u wouldnt be like that in the situation. u cant really say wot u would do, me i would just pull the trigger i think due to being scared _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Fate - Student 
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True, burgleries take place in dark areas, but I donno who would be dumb enough to ambush someone that they couldn't see either. There's most likely enough light to at least tell where someone is and where to shoot _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: In situations like that most ppl can't shoot clearly, plus that it's dark most of the time burglaries take place So the 'killer' didn't mean to kill the burglar, and it was dark, so it's plain self-defence |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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damn it why can't I have gun? all I can get is stoopid airrifle bore snore _______________ |
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Kueller - Student 
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In situations like that most ppl can't shoot clearly, plus that it's dark most of the time burglaries take place _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Kyp Nadon - Student 
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yeah that is right but the first thing you do is NOT thinking so you will shoot him anywhere and then you can kill him... _______________ dont't think im a newbie! and if you dont believe me check this one out |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: [..] if a burglar with a club comes in and ppl shoot him, that's not even-sided defence, that's murder. There is a difference in shooting someone and actually killing someone. You don't have to shoot to kill, you can shoot in someone's knee or foot to prevent him from fleeing, while you call the police |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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if someone comes in to my house with weapons i will use whatever force. they have no right to be there. rules are exempt in situations such as those imo _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Kueller - Student
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Yes, You are right Kyp. If ppl use a gun on someone, pplu are playing JUDGE over the life of someone else. Ppl got no right for that, if someone is using the same amount of violence, I think it's ok to use the same amount. But if a burglar with a club comes in and ppl shoot him, that's not even-sided defence, that's murder. And don't start at the crap about that ppl can decide his punishment, because there are laws for it and that is decided by schooled judges. Defence is allowed, that is true, but only if the defence is equal to the offense. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Kyp Nadon - Student
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okies i c so everyone can have a gun when he/she is on age and that means everyone can shoot someone, aint that wrong cause here the NL weve got the police to protect ya (not that they are doing it but ya got the idea ), adn you can protect yourself on many other ways like a figting sport._______________ dont't think im a newbie! and if you dont believe me check this one out This comment was edited by Kyp Nadon on Mar 11 2004 06:43am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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pretty even division on the vote here... I agree with Obi-JK on the "gradual adulthood" thing. 16 is when puberty is pretty much over (for most ppl ) but it's a while after that before your mind is completely mature (at least 50 years ). Things like consenting sex and driving under a learner's license (word order purposefully chosen ) are a somewhat simple (albeit somewhat politically incorrect) way of easing you into adulthood.Although up here adulthood, defined as being allowed to drink (without the police confiscating it ) and vote, is at age 19 and when learning to drive we have to drive with an adult supervisor for 6 months and then with only one passenger for 18 months...  And back on topic, on hearing that you owned your own gun: - I would be slightly startled, and probably move to the other side of the ocean, if I didn't know you. - I would apply for the astronaut program if I knew you to have a maturity level less than that of the average high school principal. - I would just say "cool" and change the subject if I knew you to be a mature, common sense-driven human being who just happened to own a weapon of mass destruction. Yes, I'm paranoid. Deal with it. EDIT: And yes, I'm entering rehab for overuse of smileys.    _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. This comment was edited by tarpman on Mar 11 2004 12:23am. |
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