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JA > Yun - Student  |
The War on Terrisom.... Please just state your general feelings on it... Here is mine exactly:
"It is a.. such a fucked up world we live in today. It seems with the a ... the wars that are going on that we don't know about, the war that is about to start in Iraq, the avalanche that killed so many people out west, the space shuttle blowing up... It just like, I don't know, enough already, you know... It's too much for a world to take in a couple of months.. weeks.. I gotta tell, I'm very proud to be Canadian but... I would give my left arm to arm to have a Prime Minister that has the balls to tell the US that we are not going to war with... to hundreds of thousand of proud, hard-working, defenceless Iraq people" - Raine Maida I'm not here to start a debate, I just want to see what the poeple of the JA are feeling _______________ Bringing newbies closer to perfection since 1998. This post was edited by JA > Yun on Feb 15 2003 10:19pm. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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dammit stop badmouthing sum41!!! (covers ears) im not listening!
btw MoS, that simpsons episode was great! (goes off to yvan eht nioj) _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters This comment was edited by SirBizNatch on Feb 19 2003 10:19am. |
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Sniya - Student 
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i think there is definitely something bush knows that we dont.You dont no matter how sure of your rightness,not even bush would keep up a campain that thousands of people all over the world (many of them your own people) went out in thier droves and protested against you,and many more who against you that didnt protest.You just dont do that,i know people characterise him as an idiot but hes not that much of an idiot.
My dad thinks its that saddam has agreeed to leave because of something that blairs said in his speach _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I feel I have to explain myself.
When I say 'the US' I mean the current governement in Washington, not the Americans. When I say, the US were wrong I mean the governement was wrong. I'm trying to avoid 'the Americans'when I mean some Americans that work for the governement to avoid generalisation. I think the confusion is caused by the US being plural. And about the pollution issue, I'm not saying the US (the country) is the only pollutioner, but they are causing the most pollution. I don't say that other countries don't cause pollution or that countries that cause pollution are wrong, but I think that any country should feel responsible about the planet and the future. I can therefore not understand why the US didn't cooperate with major environmental treaties. I think that's wrong. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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"Dead Kennedys"
Holiday in Cambodia...yeah... I usually try to avoid things that are clearly biased. Hell, even the media will tell us what to believe. Chat with people from the Middle East, read foreign newspapers, expand your horizons, yvaN eht noiJ. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Sinestro - Student 
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Hells yeah DJ, if you are gonna bring up punk, dont bring up that poser crap, you need something punk as f-@k. Anti-Flag "die for your government" and "new kind of army" should school you good. I bet you never learned about Vieques, Puerto Rico, an island of the coast, in a history class. (The US navy and army as well as nato forces used it for a training area for more than 50 years. It has devastated the economy and population. It has 50% unemployment as well as 27% of the poplulation suffers from cancer. The nearest hospital is 18 miles away, on the mainland. I learned this from Anti-Flag.) _______________ Keep On Rocking In The Free World |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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F-in right DJ about fake ass punk bands or fake ass bands in genral. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Indeed. Not all of USers are so gung ho for "justice" as world media and our President would have everyone believe. Although we have quasi UN backing with the recent agreement to defend Turkey it's still not enough for me. Meanwhile the cost of gas is up $0.25 a gallon. My school has to cut it's budget, and I have to worry whether I can afford to live with my gf in a place when she graduates or live with my parents. We have other more pressing problems at home.
Offtopic Sum41 Rant: These little pukes wouldn't know punk, talent, or an idea NOT fed them by MTV, alternative radio, or all of the other horrible horrible quasi pop-punk-alternative-emo-rap-whatever bands if it sat on their face. What a bunch of friggin idiots. If you want to hear something political listen to Aus Rotten or the Dead Kennedys. Grrr. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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why dont they teach us this stuff in history...im too uneducated ta hav an opinion but i like the sound of blanket of love-(nods to kal). btw sum41's new cd talks about war and how were all controlled an stuff...at least i think thats what theyre saying. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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SirBizNatch - Student
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yea i dont know whats goin on in the world. i think ill move ta canada. you guys dont really hav many enemies rite? _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Hector Thrawn - Ex-Student 
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what i find interesting is that we are only victims of the 5% of th leaders if we allow them to be in power. saddams people suffer becasue of him, we suffer because of him. saddams people will suffer because of bush, as will we. but hopefull, when all is said and done it will be nothing compared to the suffering that would be inflicted by willful indiference and appeasment. |
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Icco - Student 
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if anyone here lives in california they know that bush isnt as bad as davis. he is pure evil! he takes money out of schools and puts it towards jails and what not...
isnt that just wrong? _______________ "this is Icco. Icco is old. Icco is lost. Icco is cool, but Icco doesn't know what the meaning of 'macrophageal sex'." - Vaughn /Icco |
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ioshee - Student 
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I like Bush. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Nicely said!!! I pretty much agree with you. However, I just want to point out that when you say "the US" it sounds like you mean every US citizen and that is not the case, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The main reason Bush is worried about Iraq is simply bcuz of the oil. I don't buy the "SUV is supporting terrorists" theory, when you have all the auto racing, monster truck-pulls and all of that. Instead of picking on the people that use their SUVs to get to work or to haul the family here and there, look at all that gasoline being used JUST for entertainment. If you're going to complain about non-effiecient vehicles, look at the motor "sports". I would think that getting to your job or taking the kids to soccer practice or whatever is a lot more important than watching cars, trucks, etc. going around in circles.
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I've got three points to say about this.
1. Bush speaks with split tongue I 'm in great doubt about the war on Iraq, I'd like to get Saddam out, but I don't think there's enough evidence to do so. The things Powell has showed are not really overwhelming. The US government knows that too so now they've come up with another reason to attack: The violation of human rights. Well, I don't think they mean it, if they do, this would be the first and major reason to attack Iraq. Human rights are violated all around the globe. A wellkown example is China, but it is not good for the economy to attack China to noone says anything about it. As a matter of fact, a couple of weeks ago, a huge rebellion started in the middle of Africa. People where forced to cook and eat their relatives and tens of thousands had to flee. If the US were so keen on protecting human rights, they would have at least mentioned this. They did not, the region was and is left alone. 2. The US are not as good as they say they are. The US like to see themselves as liberators and the ultimate good guys. Off course the Europeans are extremely gratefull for their help in both World Wars. But we must not forget that even the great USA have been terribly wrong in the past. I think the main theme in the last century was the fear for communism. This fear blinded the US and they did terrible things to prevent communism from spreading. All the bloody regimes in South America (Chile, Argentina) were set in power and constantly supported by the CIA! And in fear for the Russians, the US gave weapons to the Taliban in Afghanistan, a foolish action, for they had to fight against their own weapons last year! The US are not very idealistic, for they've refused to cooperate in many historic cases. EG environnemental treaties (Kyoto)and the worldwide wartribunal. They are responsible for the most airpollution yet they will not take action to preserve the future, because it would hurt them in their wallet. The birth of one global justice system, a wartribunal for the greatest criminals on earth, a historic moment, a great leap for man kind one could say. Yet the US refuse to cooperate. Why would the ultimate goodguys stop such a noble cause? Because they're guilty. The tribunal is in The Hague and when Bush would be in the Netherlands, he could be arrested for a great number of crimes (see point 2) Bush goes even further! The congress has announced that if The Netherlands arrest an American to bring to justice in the tribunal, the USA will openly declare war on the Netherlands. They give themself the right to violate all treaties and to kill people to rescue on of their men, even if he is guilty. They've even got a name for it: the tulipwar! 3. Think twice before you act! The situation the world is now is very dangerous. If the US attack without permission of the UN, they are absolutely wrong! The US have asked for unconditional support. Well there is no such thing as unconditional support in this matter. The US (see point 2) are able to make mistakes (as is everyone), what is more, they've MADE serious mistakes. It is clear that in this matter, noone could offer unconditional support to them because noone can see the future. Conclusion. If Iraq is to be attacked, it has to be on one condition: 1. The support of the United Nations. This means the US have to show clear evidence, they have to consider the worldwide protests and don't take charge of the mission themselves in order to guard the future. If we declare war on Iraq, it must be all of us, the whole UN, so if something goes wrong, we all are guilty. This is an important time for humanity, there is a crisis, now will humanity take care of it civilised for the first time in history? We can only wait. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Sniya - Student 
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hehe i once saw a show about assasinations.
Very cool But the americans kept messing thiers up an getting caught and stuff revealed to the public due to that they cant do assasinations no more. But as was a theory around september 11 about what they were gonna do bout osama they coul ask the british to do it for them. _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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I hate Bush too.
Did you know that Osama is alive and al-Queda is allied with Iraq?  _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I would like to avoid war if it's possible. But I don't think it is possible. War will get terrorists pissed at America, but you know something? They are already pretty pissed about us and our freedoms. Screw em.
Here's the thing I don't get. Saddam runs a DICK-tatorship (I hate that guy). Yet, we don't go after China, or N. Korea or any other similarly based governments. Why? Ask Bush. One quick fact that is quite humorous: If every person in America with an SUV got 4 more miles to the gallon, we wouldn't need Middle Eastern oil. Hmmmm...(BTW, I love my inefficient 1967 Ford Mustang) _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Don't have time for a long post right now, but as a Canadian, I don't want to see anyone go to war with Iraq YET. We have NO justification for a large conflict. If there is a war, it is my opinion that many more allied soldiers will die than in 91.
Saddam should be removed, but not by a war. My quick fix elixer mix would be poisioned coffee. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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JA > Yun - Student 
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*clap.... clap... clap*
Well said _______________ Bringing newbies closer to perfection since 1998. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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This may become a long winded post.
I'm an american, and I think an american perspective here on this thread is important. I don't hate anybody, but I feel hated because of my nationality. Many of you will chime in and say that you do to, or that you know someone who feels that way. Saddam, President Bush, Bin Laden, and all the other world leaders and their respective governments are part of the 5% of the world's population that control more than 90% of the world's wealth. The real truth is that all of us: americans, iraqi's, british, dutch, lithuwanian, czech, slovak, Arabian, Korean, Japanese, and all the other nationalities out there are all victims of this 5%. American's as a (general) whole don't want war. I want world peace like all of you. I feel much better wrapped in a blanket of love than I do wrapped in the blood soaked and tattered rags of hatred. We live in a world that doesn't allow that. People get angry over nothing and are willing to drag anything, and everything into that mire with them. So from time to time we are forced to take a stand against things that are bad, or wrong, or evil. Sometimes though, we only get to choose between wrongs or evils. I don't feel at all good about the fact that lives will be wasted on both sides. I would rather shake hands, agree to disagree, and simply abide by compassion and love for others. But the fact is that the worlds 5% are zealots who want total control and will do anything to get it. We are all caught in the middle of something we have no control over. Bloodshed is inevitable, and saddening. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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ya.. tell me about it...  _______________ make install -not war |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I agree with Acey!!! Unfortunately, in the real world we can't.
I personally would rather not go to war. I'm not worried about taking out Saddam, I'm very confident that won't be a problem. What I'm worried about is the reaction of the terrorists to it. After nearly losing my brother on 9/11, (he was in the N tower when it was hit) that's my main concern. What will those cowards do after we take out Saddam? I hate having to live like this wondering if I'm safe or not. I live not 50 miles away from Manhattan, but my brother and lots of other people I know live IN Manhattan. I don't think there's any question that its at least target #2 on the terrorists hit list. I'm just thankful that I don't live in Isreal, they put up with this crap 24/7 and have for years. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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You're all right! Why don't we just kill Saddam, and leave Iraq alone?
Aren't we past war? Why do you think we have human rights? This eliminates the whole need for civilzation... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! *Rage* _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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Acey Spadey - Student 
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can't we all just get along _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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We wouldn't be fighting the Iraqi people, just Saddam and his troops. I understand he happens to shouse his troops right in the middle of the residential centers though. What a dick.
Really though, I think the war on terror steps on alot of my personal liberties. Can I do anything about it? No. Am I safer because of the new crap I and my friends have to put up with? Maybe.. it's hard to say. I figure so long as the rest of the UN is with us we're ok. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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