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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student  |
So, im tired of working shit jobs, where I get bitched at if I punch in at 9:00:02 instead of 9:00:00. My boss barely graduated high school, and my fellow coworkers have a combined IQ of a/an [ insert you favorite inanimate object ] So I did some looking and web design seems like something I should be able to bust into fairly quickly. I already know how to program/script have made small websites before, and have access to most program needed to make a nice site. The problem isn't learning the material, the problem is there is so much freakin crap, I don't know what is the latest and greatest, if there are considered some industry standard, or something along those lines. I know a lot of people make websites, for both personally and professionally. So what so I be spending my time on? For Now, I am using Vi ( its a kick ass test editor, if you don;t know what this is, just pretend I said, I am using notepad ) I see no reason to use FrontPage/Dreamweaver, but if you have "intellegent" reasons to use these feel free to provide them. I have access to the latest version of Photoshop, Macromedia studio 2004 MX Pro ( contains Flash, Dreamweaver, and Fireworks ), FrontPage, and Vi. I am starting by learning Flash. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Padawan - Student |
Quote: I am starting by learning Flash. Oh, oh! I do Flash! If you ever need help, come ask me! |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: omg dont get me started on .net LMAO. _______________ Website |
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Orion - Retired 
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omg dont get me started on .net _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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3th - Retired 
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what about .net nuke? _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Only use PHPNuke if you want to have the site do exactly the opposite of what the visitors want  |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: [...]It's because PHPNuke tries to be everything but fails because of that. THE best explanation of PHPNuke I've EVER heard  _______________ Website |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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On top of that, PHPNuke and the likes are bogging down your server like crazy... and they're not easy on your SQL database either, with all those queries. It's because PHPNuke tries to be everything but fails because of that. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: PHP Nuke and all those script sites are bad, full of exploits, ive seen a whole box rooted and files deleted because of an exploit in php nuke Seen the same here - as I said, unless you need it, keep away _______________ Website |
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Orion - Retired
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PHP Nuke and all those script sites are bad, full of exploits, ive seen a whole box rooted and files deleted because of an exploit in php nuke _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I've used Photoshop and Fireworks. The intergration of Dreamweaver and Fireworks is nice, but because I was used to Photoshop I liked it better. If you haven't used Photoshop before, and only intend to make website, I guess you should stick with Fireworks, because of the intergration. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: 1st Thanks for your input everyone, it has been very helpful. 2nd Has anyone used Macromedia Fireworks, its supposed to be a competitor to PhotoShop. I can't find any solid evidence either way though. Personally if its even in the same ballpark, it would seem better to use Fireworks. Since Macromedia seems to be the big player right now, with Dreamweaver and Flash. Shun, shun. Don't use Fireworks - stick with Photoshop of PSP - much better options IMHO. _______________ Website |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: if you are lazy and want a cool site that is working right away, and if you are running your own server with mysql and php try this www.postnuke.com PHP Nuke is only of real use if you want a general-style of site. If you want anything specific, DIY is the way. _______________ Website |
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3th - Retired 
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i love photoshop personally. but just the other day i was actually using fireworks in our office and noticed a handy feature where it gives you a preview of the font style before you actually select the font. very handy for graphic designers. anyway, fireworks isn't bad at all, i'm just more comfortable with ps _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Kyp Nadon - Student 
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if you are lazy and want a cool site that is working right away, and if you are running your own server with mysql and php try this www.postnuke.com _______________ dont't think im a newbie! and if you dont believe me check this one out |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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1st Thanks for your input everyone, it has been very helpful. 2nd Has anyone used Macromedia Fireworks, its supposed to be a competitor to PhotoShop. I can't find any solid evidence either way though. Personally if its even in the same ballpark, it would seem better to use Fireworks. Since Macromedia seems to be the big player right now, with Dreamweaver and Flash. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Yup, PHP, MySQL, (possibly CGI and Perl), definately CSS, Java, things like that - those are the best things to learn. On a more preferencial level, choose PHP over ASP any day _______________ Website |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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When I make one of my pathetic attempts to create a website, I use Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Oh, and I've tried to learn some PHP too, but haven't finished the book yet. I do know it's a very handy to create dynamic pages instead of those boring static html ones. Good luck! |
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dartH|Bodhi - Student 
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Basically Ditto to what Orion and Jules have said. Most companies / people want dynamic content so study PHP and MySQL. If you have a spare computer, you may want to install Linux (come to the Light!) and the other tools as an experiment platform. Also, depending on how much $$$ you have access to, you may want to invest in some O'Reilly books. In my opinion they are THE BEST technical books available today. Two good ones I own are Web Design in a Nutshell and Dynamic HTML: The Definitive Reference. Cheers. _______________ The Force is a powerful ally... ...and a terrible foe. |
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3th - Retired
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i guess a potentially "intellegent" reason to use dreamweaver would be how you can get it to interface with the .net platform, basically keeping the backend code separate from look and feel like Orion and Kenyon mentioned _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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What Orion says, if you want to stay ahead of the game, xHTML with CSS to seperate content/style is the way to go. For maximum effect learn PHP and MySQL, to provide customers with interactive solutions, and, should you be contracted to do maintenance, an easier time on you. Me, I use notepad when I can, if only because my code is cleaner than most programs can produce it. And Photoshop all the way for graphics... don't forget to optimize! This comment was edited by Mookie on May 18 2004 09:59am. |
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Orion - Retired
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php, mysql, perl, python, all the big scrpting/database things you should learn. learn CSS its great good way to abstract design from content. I use xhtml1.0 standard for my site. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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