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3th - Retired  |
go see this movie. i don't care if you hate michael moore, please go see it. thanks. even if it's all lies, or whatever people are saying to discredit the movie, i can't deny the fact that it is a very moving and powerful film. oh and i'll be sure to see the "michael moore hates america" movie when it come out too. only way to be a responsible citizen is to hear all sides, right? let the political flame war begin...i'll be staying out of it. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! This post was edited by 3th on Jun 30 2004 07:23am. |
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3th - Retired 
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anti-bush rant by an anti-clinton man...what is this world coming to?!?!?  http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/?articleid=2689 people must be getting tired of the war and politics (can't say as i blame you  ). i know, i know, i should have let this thread die. but i thought this article was really good.although, it doesn't really matter since the people's viewpoints i'm trying to expand, really aren't interested in having their point of view changed. a rather futile exercise on my part. i guess you could say faith, hope, and love are getting the best of me _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Quote: 3th, aren't those pretty much the people that were receiving unjust treatment and shunned because of their stock in life? Also many of his disciples weren't the most righteous of people before they started following him. Basically bad men who changed their ways. What do you do though when the bad men refuse to change their ways no matter what you try to do? Just let them keep doing it and not stopping them because there's nothing you can do to stop them short of killing them? There is more evil than just the evil that bad men do. There is also the evil of good men doing nothing. i don't quite get what point you're making Buzz. i would agree with what you said though _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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you seen the movie Flux? _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Alright, Jesus Discussion moved here. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 01 2004 12:33am. |
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If documenting counts as tricky editing and slanderous, faked footage. In that case, yeah he is. Moore is trying to claim something is a documentary when really all of it is made up of his opinion and footage that he selected for the sole purpose of making someone look bad. When people agree with him, he calls it documentary. When people call him a liar, he claims it's satire and humor. Which is it? Why doesn't Moore ever go into an interview with someone that doesn't agree with him? If he did, might he just use the same satirist excuse? It looks like he's just a lying con artist trying to sway young people with his warped political views while making a buck out of it. Young Americans are suckers for something politically rebellious. _______________ When great gentlemens come together in a place. It could happen. All these gentlemen are Howard's family. Everybody knows them, but nobody knows. Why they come together.......... Just play cards. |
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ioshee - Student 
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LoL @ Mobi I feel you bud. Start a new thread, I'll post in it. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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/me feels like going nutz on the, "Jesus" topic, however, this thread is about F911, so lets steady the course a little. ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS FILM AND HAVE A COMMENT!??!? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Dude Michael Moore is one hell of a documentarist (whatever they are called). _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Jun 30 2004 11:19pm. |
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Quote: but wasn't Jesus quite tolerant of people who others were not? lepers, the sick, the poor, the meek, the downtrodden, whores, etc.? Yeah you're right; Jesus was tolerant in a lot of ways. I guess my point was that a lot of people misunderstand Christianity and think it is just all a bunch of be nice teachings. How did he decide who to be tolerant of and who not to be? Well by his own words he only did what the Father told him to do. I don't really know what that t-shirt had to do with Christianity in the first place, /shrug now I'm WAAAY off topic hehe. All in all I was being way too defensive and I apologize for that. On Topic: I am really happy with G.W. Bush as the president of the U.S. of A. and I’m still planning on going to go see F. 9/11. I don’t agree with Michael Moore’s political views but I don't want to be totally ignorant when I voice my opinion about, um, his opinion  edit: added the italicized word "don't" which I forgot to put in hehe. _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jun 30 2004 11:10pm. |
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Buzz says:
Quote: There is more evil than just the evil that bad men do. There is also the evil of good men doing nothing. I just wanted to say, that is one of the most profound things I have ever heard. Thanks Buzz. /me high fives ioshee -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jun 30 2004 10:58pm. |
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3th, aren't those pretty much the people that were receiving unjust treatment and shunned because of their stock in life? Also many of his disciples weren't the most righteous of people before they started following him. Basically bad men who changed their ways. What do you do though when the bad men refuse to change their ways no matter what you try to do? Just let them keep doing it and not stopping them because there's nothing you can do to stop them short of killing them? There is more evil than just the evil that bad men do. There is also the evil of good men doing nothing. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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but wasn't Jesus quite tolerant of people who others were not? lepers, the sick, the poor, the meek, the downtrodden, whores, etc.? _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Quote: ...Wow. And here I thought one of the basic principles behind christianity (in theory anyway; I've never actually seen a christian stand behind them) was the reform of the old testaments "eye for an eye" practice into a "turn the other cheek" movement. I guess they're saying Jesus had no convictions. There's a revelation for you. Sorry this is off topic for the thread but I just wanted to respond to this little paragraph. Tolerance is not a basic principal behind Christianity. Jesus wasn’t tolerant at all in his dealings with the Pharisees, his Jewish people, or Satan. In fact it was Jesus who said that no man comes to the Father except through him. When Jesus refers to turning the other cheek he’s not talking about tolerating an attack, he’s saying that you must rely on God, even when you’re attacked. Whether you believe in Christianity or not, you can’t say it’s basic principles are something that they’re not. However a lot of people, especially people who claim to be Christians don’t understand the basic principals behind Christianity. You did however say you thought. I’m just letting you know that that’s not true, but it is a common misconception. edit: sorry a typo heh _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jun 30 2004 06:09pm. |
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I may go and see this movie at some point and I may not. Didn't read the whole thread, but I'm interested to know whether or not the money made from this movie is going to be used in a good way or are people just profitting off of something tragic? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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/me follows link in happy anticipation of good. _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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/me plays with Fluffy Bunnys and forgets about Michael Moore.....W00T!!!!!!!! USUL pwns! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Muad'dib - Student 
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Is Moore sensationalist? Absolutely. Does he bend fact to manipulate audiences? Without a doubt. But then, so does everyone trying to sway a nation to their point of view. Whatever. Politics gets me all kinds of pissed off so screw it. You're right, people will believe what they want for better of for worse. I don't like feeling angry/frustrated/whatever else. So I'm going to start a thread devoted to fluffy bunnies. AND EVERYBODY'S INVITED!!! WHOOO!!! FLUFFY BUNNIES!!! _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I thought you surely would have dug a little more that that, haha. Don't worry I'll help you. Here is alot more. Fahrenheit Facts no. 1- 15. But really, everyone is going to make up thier own mind. Either you beleive Moore, or you don't. From what have seen in the past and how Americans at least tend to operate is, "Your gonna beleive what you want to beleive". That seems to be the way it is. I am victim of it too. What makes me beleive the way I do? Kenyon and I have had long talks about it. I guess that is what makes human kind so great. You have the free will to beleive whatever you want. Beleive me, I think it is a good thing, because if we all beleived the same, the world would be very boring. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jun 29 2004 11:29pm. |
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Muad'dib - Student
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Wow. That was a pretty in depth look at all of the lies in F911! He lied about only 1 congressman having a child in the military! Because Ted Kennedy has a nephew deployed in afghanistan... not really his own child though... so if we're using the same strict "technically untrue" kind of standards at that site needs to use to prove moore's a liar, then No, he's not really, is he? What were the other scandalous truths had they uncovered? Oh yeah George W. did NOT in fact spend ALL of August 2003 at his texas ranch! He travelled around the country too! He travelled to a couple different places per week! GASP!! There was one document there that appeared with a sound and intelligent argument against certain aspects of the film, however it was critisizing the sensationalism that he used to manipulate the audiences. I can respect that, however the document still ended with:
Quote: Moore ends “Fahrenheit 9/11” by predicting that American voters will not be fooled into voting again for George W. Bush. I hope he’s right. So the most thorough and intelligently laid out criticism of his film was actually done by a liberal. How ironic. Throughout all these arguments however not a single person has gone ahead and said "George W. Bush and the vast majority of his cabinet are not guilty of the kind of sheer corruption and misconduct that they are accused of." With evidence to back it up with. I've only heard people yell "SLANDER" (my homage to Anne Coultier) with, again, no evidence to back it up. As for the movie "Micheal Moore Hates America", I'll wait and see, but all the trailer had to offer was that Micheal Moore refused to do an interview with the guy. Now I realize that might make some people say it's a taste of his own medicine, however the people who run from Moore in his films, with few exceptions, are not the sole target of discreditation of that film. "Micheal Moore Hates America" is clearly targeting him exactly, and I don't know about you but if somebody came up to me and asked for help with something called "[your name here] Hates America" or anything of that nature, I don't think I would help that person. At this time I'd like to use a quote from Al Frankens book, "Lies": Quote: Sean Hannity says, we liberals "train our children to critisize America, not celebrate it." They don't get it. We love America as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America the way a four-year-old loves her mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a four-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who critisizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. As for those t-shirts, they're right there's nothing that reminds me of soviet russia like a group that stands up for human rights and civil liberties. That's what the USSR was known for, right? Oh wait, except not at all. What else then? Oh! Using the image of the recently deceased to push they're own agenda. Not too surprising. But the best by far is Quote: Tolerence is the virtue of a man without convictions Wow. And here I thought one of the basic principles behind christianity (in theory anyway; I've never actually seen a christian stand behind them) was the reform of the old testaments "eye for an eye" practice into a "turn the other cheek" movement. I guess they're saying Jesus had no convictions. There's a revelation for you. _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! This comment was edited by Muad'dib on Jun 29 2004 11:20pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Muad'dib Here it is. Oh and for those of you who may swallow, whole heartedly everything he has to say, HERE are some people who researched every event in the his film and feel they have brought some other things to light....who knows, just interesting information. It is good to be informed and to research all sides before formulating an opinion. For those of you whom have not seen the film, here is the first 45 min transcript from the film. The rest should be up there pretty soon. Oh, and HERE are some fun shirts to wear while going to see his film. Should make for interesting comments from people while waiting in line for popcorn.  -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jun 29 2004 10:09pm. |
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Muad'dib - Student
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I just saw F9/11 last night and it's going to win the documentary oscar. The ONLY possible reason for it not to win is if more than half the academy objects to it, but I don't see that happening except maybe by the studio execs. Putting aside the content of the film for a moment, the way the film presents all it's points with facts and drives them home with immensely emotional scenes (read: from BOTH sides of the war, iraqi losses and american) is masterfully done. On top of that Micheal Moore manages to bring all these points across with his usual common sense look at insane events. As for the actual content of the film there's so much viewed and reviewed that going over it here would be only a shadow of what it was in the film. It's no wonder the rich people at the top tried to put a stop to this films release, and thank god for Cannes for making it impossible. On another note, is there really a movie coming out called "Micheal Moore hates America"? _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! |
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Hoorah! Mookie - let's bake a cake... with special frosting! For MOBY! |
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Yes. ALL HANDS TO MY BATTLESTATION! |
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No, we live for humour! Don't we, mookie my darling sweety? |
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