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Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-

Thank you Darth Mobility.

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm.

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Jul 20 2004 12:30am

FaDed
- Student

here's a new topic that i would like to discuss. the events surrounding the temptation and the fall of adam.

in the Bible it explains that Eve was first tempted and ate the fruit, then she brought it to Adam and he ate.

Genesis 3:6 KJV
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gae also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

now i wonder, why is that the fall of man is attributed to Adam when Eve was the first to be beguiled and transgress God's commandments? i would like to know your view surrounding the fall, what would have happened had Adam and Eve obeyed God's law, and what is Satan's role in the fall and also in God's plan of salvation.

Jul 19 2004 09:18pm

FaDed
- Student

i would love to discuss these contradictions with you in the other thread.

Jul 19 2004 06:59pm

JamesF1
- Student

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it contains the same teachings, the same lessons, the same prophecies, but as you said, it brings a greater understanding to them. there are things contained in the Book of Mormon that you would not find in the Bible, but nothing that would be contrary to the teachings already established. also along with the Book of Mormon, we believe that our prophets bring even more light and knowledge because they are continually receiving revelation from our Heavenly Father.

Sorry FaDed, but I cannot accept that. The Book of Mormon (and no, I'm not speaking out of no knowledge of it either) contradicts the Bible in many places. It is not all, as you say, in line with the Bible in every area.

The Bible however, as was already posted, does say that nothing is to be added, removed or modified. The Book of Mormon adds, removes and modifies what the Bible says. So it is not only in breech of God's rules in one way, but in three.

Don't take it as personal - beacuse its not. I'm simply stating Biblical facts and the Bible, and comparing them with the Book of Mormon.
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Jul 19 2004 06:45pm

JamesF1
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You know what would be really cool James? If once we discuss the Bible to a point of where we all feel good about the scriptures and need an extra project, we could start a new thread where we post those lists and pull apart each and every contradiction through further study.

Sounds exhausting, but you did a great job and would love to help you if I could.

Don't know if I would be that well versed in the Bible to do that though.

Yeah, that would be cool

BTW, I'm just sitting around here and watching this thread - I just can't believe some of the stuff going on in here (not only bad stuff, but good stuff). So don't mind me if I don't post for a couple of days.
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Jul 19 2004 03:18pm

Shang Chi
- Student

Another e-mail for debate

EYES ON THE LIGHT
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Colossians 3:1-14 (NRSV)

So if you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above,
where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on
things that are above, not on things that are on earth, for you have died,
and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your
life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with him in glory.

Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication,
impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of
these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient. These
are the ways you also once followed, when you were living that life. But
now you must get rid of all such things--anger, wrath, malice, slander,
and abusive language from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing
that you have stripped off the old self with its practices and have
clothed yourselves with the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge
according to the image of its creator. In that renewal there is no
longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian,
slave and free; but Christ is all and in all!

As God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with
compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience. Bear with one another
and, if anyone has a complaint against another, forgive each other; just
as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. Above all,
clothe yourselves with love, which binds everything together in perfect
harmony.

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Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
- Colossians 3:2 (NIV)
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THE car ahead cruised forward, and I followed, unaware that anything
was amiss, until my husband said, "You ran the red light." Sure enough,
the light was red. The driver ahead of us had run the light, and I had
too. Content to follow the car in front, I had taken my eyes off the
light that was supposed to determine my actions.

It's easy to let those around us influence us. But as people "raised
with Christ" (Col. 3:1), we are to set our sights on Christ rather than
on other people or earthly things. If we don't keep our eyes fixed on
Christ, our attitudes and actions will be determined by those on whom
we do fix our eyes. And the truth is, everyone "runs red lights" at one
time or another.

Paul says, "Follow my example," but adds, "as I follow the example of
Christ" (1 Cor. 11:1). It's wonderful to have Christians we can look up
to, but we are to follow them only to the extent that they follow
Christ.

Prayer: Father, help us to keep our eyes fixed firmly upon Christ and
to follow him faithfully as we pray, "Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as
it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our
debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but
deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the
glory, for ever. Amen."*

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:
If we take our eyes off Christ, we risk being led astray.

-- Tanya Ferdinandusz (Colombo, Sri Lanka)
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Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness.

Jul 19 2004 06:22am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Faded. What you just posted scares me. Thank you for the info. though.

Let us continue this over on the other thread please.

Jul 19 2004 06:20am

Koyi Donita
- Student

I'm back with yet another limited amount of time so I will try to post what I can.

Let us take a look into Romans for this book holds so much truth when it comes to God and His salvation plan.

In Rom. 9:4-33 we read:
4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.
8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9) For this is the word of promise, AT THIS TIME WILL I COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.
10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER.
13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE i LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED.
14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.
16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but God that showeth mercy.
17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, EVEN FOR THIS SAME PURPOSE HAVE I RAISED THEE UP, THAT I MIGHT SHOW MY POWER IN THEE, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL THE EARTH
18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
22) What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24) Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25) As he saith also in Hosea, I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHICH WERE NOT MY PEOPLE; AND HER BELOVED, WHICH WAS NOT BELOVED.
26) AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID UNTO THEM. YE ARE NOT MY PEOPLE; THERE SHALL THEY BE CALLED THE CHILDREN OF THE LIVING GOD.
27) Isaiah also crieth concerning Israel, THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED:
28) FOR HE WILL FINISH THE WORK, AND CUT IT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: BECAUSE A SHORT WORK WILL THE LORD MAKE UPON THE EARTH.
29) And as Isaiah said before, EXCEPT THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT US A SEED, WE HAD BEEN AS SODOM, AND BEEN MADE LIKE UNTO GOMORRHA.
30) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, have not attained to the law of righteousness.
32) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;
33) As it is written, BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STUMBLING STONE AND ROCK OF OFFENSE: AND WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED.

These are great scriptures that help us to see that all of God's elect are preordained unto salvation, created unto His wonderful mercy. The rest were prepared unto dishonor and wrath to show His wrath for how can one truely know God's love without seeing His wrath that one is saved from?

It's late and I have to get up early. I hope this sheds a bit more light on the beliefs that I cling to. I'm getting to justification through faith and of works. Almost there.

Just need a good block of time. Until then.

May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word.

Amen.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Jul 19 2004 06:08am

FaDed
- Student

Jul 19 2004 05:35am

Koyi Donita
- Student

That is an interesting point Faded. I'll look into that a bit myself and come back to ya. Thank you for your input.

The only thing that disturbs me about this whole thing is the Bible warns about false prophets bringing false gospels. The Bible will tell us that Holy men of old spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them. I even think Paul warned if any would bring a gospel outside of what he brings would be a lie or something to that effect. I'll have to look for these.

One question I would have to ask is does the book of mormon hold additional lessons, teachings, or prophecies outside of the Bible or does it just expand on or bring more light to them? If it prophesied more, I would be most frightened of it personally.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 19 2004 05:40am.

Jul 19 2004 04:56am

FaDed
- Student

concerning the verse in Revelation 22:18-19 where it states that no more may be added to the Bible, lest the author's name be removed from the Book of Life. i believe that this is the truth and that the Book of Mormon is in no way in violation of that. the Book of Mormon is to be used in conjunction with the Bible as a witness of Christ, his mission and his divinity. no where in the Bible does it say that the word of God ends with the Bible. it just says add no more to the Bible. that does not mean that God could not have given scripture to people elsewhere and had them write it down.

Matthew 13:10-12 KJV-JST
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 for whosoever receiveth, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever continueth not to receive, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

i would say it behooveth us not to say, we have the Bible and that is all we need. according to this principle taught by Jesus, he says that to him that is given, he shall receive more. But if he says no more, i have enough, he will lose not only that, but also that which he has already been given.

Jul 19 2004 04:13am

SaberWeildinKow
- Student

Hey guys, sorry for the disturbance :/

Jul 19 2004 03:20am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Not really. I just searched that out not that long ago earlier on the thread and what you said reminded me of it. Happy to have helped you out.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Jul 19 2004 03:03am

SaberWeildinKow
- Student

lol yea, I was planning on heading to James too, nice call

This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 03:05am.

Jul 19 2004 03:02am

Koyi Donita
- Student

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Faith is fundamental, but careful, Christ did teach that we are Not saved by Faith alone, but by actions also. I'll look up a reference for that.

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In James 2:14-26 we read:
14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
19) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the Friend of God.
24) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I'm not sure if this is the scripture you were looking for Kow, but I think it is.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 19 2004 03:03am.

Jul 19 2004 02:55am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Jade. Thank you for your kind comments and your ability to try to keep all of our eyes on what's important.

My knowledge isn't anything great. All I try to do is compare scriptures with scriptures hoping that in this manner I can discover truth. I also try to remain as humble to the scriptures as possible. Look at the pharasies. These men were the trusted men who handled the gospel, but were so far from truth. They knew God's Word and could tell you scriptures, but they failed to see the true meaning because God never opened their eyes to the truths therein. Even the apostles when told that Jesus would die and raise again in 3 days never knew what He was telling them. So many illustrations are in the Bible were men have the truth right in their face, and they don't see it at all, even Jesus in their midst and they didn't know it was Him until He let them. We all have to be very carful because God gives us truth. We of ourselves are blind to truth. We should never think we know anything for sure. There could be a message as clear as day right in our faces in the Bible and unless God opens our eyes to it, we will never see it.

We know that God saves through His Word so all I would like for all of us to do is post as much of the Bible as possible and we can discuss it here to search for truth. Not saying we are on the road to salvation, not saying this is profitable, just saying that this is a good thing.

Thanks again Jade.

Jul 19 2004 02:44am

SaberWeildinKow
- Student

Faith is fundamental, but careful, Christ did teach that we are Not saved by Faith alone, but by actions also. I'll look up a reference for that.

Jul 19 2004 02:15am

Shang Chi
- Student

Just read this on e-mail. I have been reading all of everyone's posts. Great discussion everyone. Hope this will be relavent to this discussion. It always helps to start my day or end my day by reading these e-mails.

FAITH MAKES THE DIFFERENCE
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Hebrews 11:8-12 (NRSV)

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to set out for a place that
he was to receive as an inheritance; and he set out, not knowing where
he was going. By faith he stayed for a time in the land he had been
promised, as in a foreign land, living in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob,
who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he looked forward to
the city that has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. By
faith he received power of procreation, even though he was too old--and
Sarah herself was barren--because he considered him faithful who had
promised. Therefore from one person, and this one as good as dead,
descendants were born, "as many as the stars of heaven and as the innumerable
grains of sand by the seashore."

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By grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own
doing; it is the gift of God.
- Ephesians 2:8 (NRSV)
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IN reading the Old Testament stories about Moses, Abraham, and Jacob, I
often wondered how God could use them and love them when they had done
terrible things like deceive and murder. But when I reflect upon my
own life, I realize that in spite of my failures, God has used me.

The author of the Letter to the Hebrews helps to solve the mystery.
God didn't choose these people because of their good or bad actions; God
chose them because of their faith. God used them and they became
examples for us. In spite of their sins, they believed in God's power and
promises. Their faith made the difference.

And so it is with me and you. It is not what we have or have not done
that causes God to use us. It is our faith in God's promises as
revealed in Jesus Christ that leads us to obey God and love God and our
fellow human beings.

Prayer: Dear God, thank you for the stories of faithfulness we read in
the Bible. Show us how we, too, can live out our faith in your
promises. Amen.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:
God uses us not because we are perfect but because we believe.

-- Paul C. Burke (Mississippi, U.S.A.)

PRAYER FOCUS: For greater faith
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Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness.

Jul 19 2004 01:01am

Jade
- Student

Hi Guys/Girls

Me's lost track of whats going on here....

Sorry but I am only seeing conversations trying to prove that the book of Mormons is valid or not.....very dangerous! PLEASE lets not go there! This is likened to debating about whether divorce is acceptable (Catholism vs Church of England)....Too dangerous to go there....many many arguments are awaiting there.

As I mentioned earlier. Please dont let this become religion vs religion. As I mentioned in another earlier comment (and please dont get me wrong...I am not imposing this on you, but it was very personal to me)...."It is not the house that matters but the heart"

I have studied some of the Book of Mormon during my search for God and to be honest my eyes were opened a lot from it.

However, though I have learned a lot about the scriptures, especially about the two sticks....can that be taken to another thread as it was getting very interesting, but has stopped the flow of this study.

Example: Poor Odan-Wei. He posted (Jul 16) saying that he is interested in Religion, but he cannot find one to suit him....he is searching for God. He only received 2 replies - DM and FaDed. Can we pull together to help...!? Let us set a good example to him and show our unity in our love of God so that he may find his way safely and soon.

Odan-Wei: I remember very clearly when I was searching just like you. I too was interested in religion having Buddist parents, but christian feelings....I did not know where to turn and nothing really fit me too. This is the search or to seek God.

You should ask yourself only one question....do you believe in God be he called Fred, Bob or if you like Wilma...? The fact is if you do, then concentrate on that. Dont get too confused with the small detail as to what religion. Concentrate on befriending him. Talk to him daily, nightly etc... Start a relationship with him and then all will become clear. He is your friend...best friend you will ever have and will always help you. He will help you find the right religion for you if that is still what you want.

I am happy to help in any way, even if it is someone to talk to....email me if you wish and thank you for your bravery in asking this question - Good luck!

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I just want to finish with asking you all a question. How close have you been to God? We all pray, but how has he answered your prayers...? Or have you had any close experiences of him...I have but will answer later...just wanted to hear yours first...

Take care everyone and may God Bless you all.

Love

Jade

PS:// Koyi...you blow me away with your knowledge of the scriptures...its a pleasure reading them...me still learning - Thx!!!
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"You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!"

This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 19 2004 01:05am.

Jul 18 2004 10:24pm

SaberWeildinKow
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Are you seeking scriptures to back up my beliefs? After all, to attack my beliefs is just rude.

To be honest to me it sounded like you were attacking when you said Quote:

Sure, the scriptures you posted would be so wonderful if that was all that was written in the Bible, but they aren't.

So I drew my motivation from there and when you wrote Quote:

, it's just that I don't want to fool myself through my own works that somehow Christ has entered into my life and saved me when it was all by my will.

It seemed and seems to me that here you were saying something like "I don't want to be fooled into believing that Christ has saved me, and has taught me what I know because in actuality, it was all me."

So I went about addressing the latter first, using (surprise surprise) the Bible. Then I addressed the former (which requires some use of the Book of Mormon) and justified scripture other than the Bible.

Btw I knew that you were implying a work in progress, but I knew you were going to quote yourself saying something other than what I was responding to, so I posted the exact words which I had responded to.

James, what did I take out of context? Those words were not scripture. In my mind I was making a conclusion based on what I had written.

Koyi, in your post following James', you stated that I should show a little bit of doubt when I speak...why? Courtesy? What is a testimony without conviction? I don't have to know Everything to know something...right?

3th, sorry bro, I keep rereading what you said about me and I keep missing it for some reason. Mind just restating it for me? Sorry about that.

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Maybe at some point in my life He will Bless me with His Holy Spirit and I will begin to walk in His commandments, but not by my works.

It is stated in the New Testament that the Holy Ghost descended upon Christ after his baptism. What do you think of this? Shouldn't we all receive the Holy Ghost after baptism? Why do you think Christ was baptized?

SmilyKrazy, I had no intention of imposing anything on anybody, but to respond to Koyi I think you would agree that I had to say something about the Book of Mormon.

DM, I think in the craze this post was lost Quote:

DM, how do you interpret Matthew 16:18?

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it [emphasis added].

Just curious

oi vea, I don't know how to respond to this

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but let us purify this thread for what it was intended for. PLEASE!!! How many times must I ask for this?

Anyway, let us carry on.

This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 18 2004 10:25pm.

Jul 18 2004 09:46pm

Koyi Donita
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Anyway, I haven't really ever kept up with this board, but what do you all think of the purpose of prayer? I mean, if Heavenly Father knows the desires of our hearts, why must we pray? How must we pray?

Just a thought.

Your right, this was a little over looked and I'm sorry. As I stated earlier in the thread I'm trying to get other scriptures up and out first not trying to tie myself up in too many subjects. Yes, Almighty God knows the beginning from the end and yes, He knows every hair on our heads down to the most finite details. Why is prayer important? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think because He commands us to. I'm not really sure if or where I read the scripture that says God turns a deaf ear to wicked men or something to that effect, but I would believe if that scripture truely exists( which I think is in the Psalms or Proverbs) I would draw the conclusion that it is more or less for the true believers. And even then He says somewhere that the Holy Spirit knows what you need before you or something to that effect and asks for you. Other scriptures say something to the effect that someone that is truely saved will have no need to ask for anything for all will already be given to them. I'm not really sure and I can't search these out right now. Bring it up again at a later time after I have finished my study and we will discuss this if you like. (Just my view on the whole thing. No definite answer.)

Hope this helps a bit. Anyone else care to add anything? I know I didn't and I'm sorry but please try to use scriptures so we can search out truth.

Jul 18 2004 09:17pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

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And Koyi, I used a Direct quote from your post to formulate mine, and you answered mine using a Different quote from Your post!
Thanks,

Mike.

Okay, let us straighten this out. When you quoted from my post, it was still a work in the making. Check the edit down towards the bottom of the post you just had to quote off of. IT WASN'T FINISHED YET. I'm sorry I didn't hang some type of message in it stating that it was currently under constructions or an unfinished work in progress, but the fact remains.

You stated something about my beliefs, but you Italicized the quotes where it had to do with my works. That is why I responded with a "What?"

Are you seeking scriptures to back up my beliefs? After all, to attack my beliefs is just rude. Do my beliefs differ from yours? You talk about unanswered scripture posted? How about in earlier discussions where you brought to the table the idea that babies that die don't go to hell? Remember that one? I studied that one for a day and a half and posted quite a few scriptures that clearly showed that they can and infact do, but I don't remember you answering me back on that one. Should we pull that one up onto the table again to be discussed? Perhaps later because I'm too tied up in trying to clear an old issue which has caused alot of drama here in this thread.

HEY. Guess what? I open another thread!!! w00t w00t.

Now all literature can be discussed, but I kindly ask not here. Why the Lord hasn't moved you to respect my feelings and my wishes is above and beyond me. If these are the materials you want to post, why should I have to open a thread for it? Anyway, bring your additional material to the table over there where it can be discussed and we all can search for truth on that thread with those types of things, but let us purify this thread for what it was intended for. PLEASE!!! How many times must I ask for this?

Anyway, let us carry on.

Jul 18 2004 08:35pm

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As far as your two sticks theory is concerned and the Book of Mormon being the other half of the Bible, I don't agree with that. Let us look at Ezekiel.

After the two sticks scriptures which have already been posted, we read in Ezekiel 37:20-22:
20) And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

In Ezekiel 37:16 we read:
16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

These are the two sticks which you believe to be the Bible and the Book of Mormon. But let us look closer at the language. The first stick, for Judah, and the children of Israel his companions. The Jews, God's chosen people of the old testament. The second stick, for Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions. The house of Israel? The children and the house. What does God have to say about Israel?

In Romans 9:4-8 we read:
4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.
8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

God here is speaking of others who are considered Israel that aren't of Israel. Further study in the Bible will show that the promises of the old testament wasn't to the blood of the Jews, but to the Jews which were one inwardly.

In Romans 2:28 & 29 we read:
28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose prise is not of men, but of God.

So in the two sticks we have the children of Israel and the whole house of Israel. The first the believers out of the blood descendants of Abraham, God's first chosen people (which were a picture of all who would come to believe in Him) the Jews. The second, the Israel that are all not Israel, the believers of the whole world, the gentiles. The old testament written by Moses and the prophets for the Jews of blood, and the new testament written for the whole house, the entire world full of true believers not of the Jews but of the Gentiles too. These two books were sealed in Revelations which I quoted and you requoted for nothing should be taken away or added to these two books in one book. The so called prophet later to come with his visions or dreams or whatever claiming to have additional revelations from God is in direct violation to what is recorded in the Book of Revelations. He added unto the prophecy of the Bible after it was already completed and sealed. This is what the scriptures tell me. I'll be glad to admit that I'm not saved and would never want to believe that I hold the total truth or that I did an extensive study on these scriptures. I could very well be wrong, but how can you openly call God a liar when He in His own power sealed His Word in Revelation?

18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

It's pretty clear to me. Please open another thread to discuss this issue further if you want to. I would love to see the scriptures of both books, both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, that validate the Book of Mormon being additional revelation sanctioned by God for further reproof, correction, etc. It's not something that needs to be discussed on this thread. I remember a scripture that I am far to tired to look up where it states if the gospel isn't received of the people to shake the dust of your sandels and leave. And another about not casting priceless pearls into the swine to trample them. I have asked kindly before and will do so again, Please leave the LDS addition out of this discussion. It isn't welcome here because this thread wasn't started with the purpose of searching it out. With that, follow the scriptures I just made referance too and take your gospel to others who will listen please. I might even be apart of that discussion which may be profittable if sound and you will have another brother in me.

Kow,

How can you say after this whole two stick theory that koyi didnt pay attention to your post or try to answer it? It looks to me that he did and that you are the one not answering to this.

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I have done both of these things in separate posts. I have put on the table a Biblical truth, that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. It is a Biblical truth because it is prophecied of in the Bible. Faded has shown that Prophecy in Ezekiel. You respond with Revelations. Then I merely showed that the Book of Mormon prophecies of the same things which the Bible does. Of course this required some parallels to be drawn. But then, using Only the Bible we can see how the Book of Mormon satisfies the Prophecy and the Law. I guess you could say I am seeking the fulfillment of the Prophecy made in Ezekiel. Is this contrary to the purpose of this thread?

This is what you wrote in response. Now without being rude I ask you, did you read any of what koyi wrote? I think he responded well and has asked politely to please keep this a bible study thread. Its his thread so please respect his wishes. You are more then welcome to study the bible with us and scriptures as long as its from the bible. You are welcome to believe in the book of mormon. No one is trying to stear you of that, just please dont base your opinions here on that book. You say that you have stated clearly and biblically that the book of mormon is the second part of gods word, however koyi has written biblical scripture as well stating thats its not in his view. Its not fair of you to say that he hasnt responded to you. And maybe, I cant speak for some of the others, but maybe they just arent interested in hearing what the book of mormon has to say. You never know, so you shouldnt assume that people have nothing to say to you. This is a bible study thread. Use it to study the bible and the bible only. I hope this clarifies things some.

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RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jul 18 2004 08:55pm.

Jul 18 2004 08:23pm

Smilykrazy
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ROFL JJ!!

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RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

Jul 18 2004 07:44pm

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And Koyi, I used a Direct quote from your post to formulate mine, and you answered mine using a Different quote from Your post! Without being rude I ask, do you wish to try again? You seem to feel the responsibility to keep this thread in check, what better way then to follow the guidelines You set forth?

Everyone else, no one has made an effort to address what was put on the table, care to address it?

Thanks,

Mike.

No. I'M Mike.

Jul 18 2004 06:57pm

SaberWeildinKow
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