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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Okay, here it is at last!  Now all scriptures, texts, commentary, literature, etc. can be discussed openly and without any more harm or disrespect to anyone elses feelings. I have to warn you all once again that this is a discussion, NOT A DEBATE OR WAR. Come into this in a civilized and humane fashion treating others as you would like to be treated yourself. Violators beware. Now anything relating or pertaining to God's Word or God Himself, (that is the God of the Bible or the Lord Jesus Christ), can be discussed with no limitations to what is brought to the table as long as it is profitable and in a respectful manor. Every one have fun and lets search for truth. *I kindly ask yet again for no one to come here with any ill feelings or harmful actions. The Jedi Academy is a system built on respect so respect others and respect my wishes in keeping this forum for what it is designed for. If there is something you just have to say but violates what I have posted here, start another thread! It isn't that hard and you guys do it all the time. Please respect others. Thank you. *_______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. |
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Xanatos - Student 
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I agree!!, just wish i had the time to read and write a reply to all of these. Smily and koyi, livin' the rad life guys, livin the rad life. _______________ |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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This is so awesome. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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FaDed - Student 
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i say just leave them here, where it's already set up. i believe most of us are mature enough to handle these topics. |
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Aron - Retired 
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Oh sorry, I thought there were more, hehe. The forum can be made anonymous, so everyone can post and enter a username. You can also register an account in a 1 minute to post with. Just let me know if you want me to set it up or not |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Quote: I agree. I have nothing against these religion threads, but they are turning the entire general forum into a religion forum... If you guys want me to, I can set up a forum on my website on a subdomain or something. How so? Only 2 threads from koyi out of all of them? Also would everyone from the JA have access to these threads on your website or just those in the conversation? _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Aron - Retired
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I agree. I have nothing against these religion threads, but they are turning the entire general forum into a religion forum... If you guys want me to, I can set up a forum on my website on a subdomain or something. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Just watching. Maybe I'll set up some forums for us on some of my webspace - we can then have an easier discussion over there. What do you guys say? _______________ Website |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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nice post faded! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Wow, you guys are leaving me in the dust. haha far be it from me to enjoy my weekend and not read, lol.....now I have like 40 posts to get through between this thread and the Bible Study Thread, and I JUST realized there was this other thread, haha... Just from the quick skimming I did, there seems to be some serious flame. KKK = Koyi, Kow, Kriticising, lol -DM- Yeah, should make for quick reading because most of it is nonsense. I told him that it wasn't my intention to come here to fight with him so instead of spraying fuel on the fire I walked away from it. It's good to have you back Mobility. *edit* Oh you did? LOL I didn't even notice. Good looking out Faded.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 19 2004 12:28pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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i wrote that post over a time of about 4 hours. your questions regarding the dates of the Book of Mormon came while i was in the middle of my post. i inserted them when i saw that you asked about it. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Wow, you guys are leaving me in the dust. haha far be it from me to enjoy my weekend and not read, lol.....now I have like 40 posts to get through between this thread and the Bible Study Thread, and I JUST realized there was this other thread, haha... Just from the quick skimming I did, there seems to be some serious flame. KKK = Koyi, Kow, Kriticising, lol Come on guys, lets get back on the road here. Remember the Golden Rule, (though it was not written on golden plates), haha...jk. Love ya guys. I'll catch up and get back in this soon. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 19 2004 06:57am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I apologize a head of time for I don't have time to read your full post. I asked when the book of mormon was written and then saw that you had already answered it. I'm just wondering to how it is a perfect translation as was stated earlier and how it was found? You might have already answered these questions and ignore this if you did. I notice that it is in the old style english like the King James Bible and that interest me how one is seen as an inferior translation while the other is perfect. Thanks again for your input. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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FaDed - Student
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if you're looking for a reference in the Bible that says "the Book of Mormon" you aren't going to find it. the ancient record contained on the gold plates was not given the name the Book of Mormon until after Joseph Smith had finished its translation. as far as scriptures go that support our claim, you must first understand how the Book of Mormon first came to be. the people whos record is contained in the Book of Mormon wrote down the history of their people and also the teachings of the prophets in their day. the earliest of these histories recorded were from the time of the tower of Babel, c.2000 BC, but the bulk of the Book of Mormon is dated 600 BC to 421 AD. these histories and teachings were compiled together by a man named Mormon, for whom this book is named. Mormon inscribed these things onto thin plates of gold and bound them together. after Mormon died, the record passed on to his son, Moroni who finished it and buried it in the earth, according to the will of God. now let's look at the sciptures concerning the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. Psalms 85:10-11 KJV 10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. Isaiah 29:4 KJV 4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. these are the words of Moroni as he completes the record and then proceeds to bury it in the earth. Moroni 10:27-29 27 And I exhort you to remember these things; for the time speedily cometh that ye shall know that I lie not, for ye shall see me at the bar of God; and the Lord God will say unto you: Did I not declare my words unto you, which were written by this man, like as one crying from the dead, yea, even as one speaking out of the dust? 28 I declare these things unto the fulfilling of the prophecies. An behold, they shall proceed forth out of the mouth of the everlasting God; and his word shall hiss forth from generation to generation. 29 And God shall show unto you, that that which I have written is true. the people of the Book of Mormon were an Old Testament people, living the law of Moses and were aware of the prophecies of the prophets. Moroni speaks and says he is fulfilling those prophecies contained in the Bible by burying the gold plates. Moroni's words contained on the plates will speak from out of the ground, as a whisper from the dust. now prophecies concerning Joseph Smith and his involvement in bringing forth the Book of Mormon. Isaiah 29:11-12 KJV 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that this sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and heaither, I cannot; for it is sealed: 12 And the book is delivered to thim that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Malachi 3:1 KJV 1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. Joseph Smith was born to a poor farm family and was raised with only a basic knowledge of reading and arithmetic. he was unlearned. but through the power of God he was able to translate the record into what is now known as the Book of Mormon. the scripture in Malachi, like most scriptures in the Old Testament, have a double meaning. the first is saying that a messenger will prepare the way of the Lord. it is common knowledge and accepted belief that this messenger was John the Baptist who prepared the way of the Lord. the second meaning of the scripture is that of the Second Coming and how there will again be a messenger to prepare the way of the Lord. we believe that this was Joseph Smith, who restored the gospel in its fulness back to the earth. the Book of Mormon contains a prophecy concerning Joseph Smith, the Bible, and also the Book of Mormon itself. a little backround about this passage. Lehi, a Jew who came across the ocean with his family, brought along a record known as the brass plates. this record contained a history of the Jews with such writing as Isaiah and Moses. also contained in this record were writings by Joseph, son of Jacob, who was sold into Egypt. this passage is Lehi talking to his son, Joseph, who was named after the son of Jacob and is paraphrasing what Joseph had written. 2 Nephi 3:3-11, 14-15 3 And Now, Joseph, my last-born, whom I have brought out of the wilderness of mine afflictions, may the Lord bless thee forever, for thy seed shall not utterly be destroyed. 4 For behold, thou art the fruit of my loins; and I am a descendant of Joseph who was carried captive into Egypt. And great were the covenants of the Lord which he made unto Joseph. 5 Wherefore, Joseph truly saw our day. And he obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of his loins the Lord God would raise up a righteous branch unto the house of Israel; not the Messiah, but a branch which was to be broken off, nevertheless, to b remembered in the covenants of the Lord that the Messiah should be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the spirit of power, unto the bringing of them out of darkness unto light--yea, out of hidden darkness and out of captivity unto freedom. 6 For Joseph truly testified, saying: A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins. 7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will i raise up out of the fruit of my loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of my loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the brining of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers. 8 And I will give unto him a commandment that he shall do none other work, save the work which I shall command him. And I will make him great in mine eyes; for he shall do my work. 9 And he shall be great unto Moses, whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel. 10 And Moses will I raise up, to deliver thy people out of the land of Egypt. 11 But a seer will I raise up out of thy loins; and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins--and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them. 14 And thus prophesied Joseph, saying: Behold, that seer will the Lord bless; and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise, which I have obtained of the Lord, of the fruit of my loins, shall be fulfilled. Behold, I am sure of the fulfilling of this promise; 15 And his name hsall be called after me; and it shall be after the name of his father. And he shall be like unto me; for the thing, which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand, by the power of the Lord shall bring my people unto salvation. this prophecy by Joseph, son of Jacob, states that the Lord will raise up a seer. this seer will have a great work to do in bringing forth the word of God, but not only that, also of convincing the people that the word that has already come forth is the truth. that word that has come forth is what we have been discussing and we all agree that it is truly the word of God, the Holy Bible. the other word that will come forth is the Book of Mormon. this seer will be named after Joseph, son of Jacob, and also his own father. this prophecy also contains a prophecy of Moses, who had not yet been born yet. but Joseph, son of Jacob, stated that he was "sure of the fulfilling of this promise." also in this prophecy, Lehi states his lineage through Joseph. this coincides with the prophecy contained in Ezekiel 37 concerning the sticks of Judah and of Joseph. these prophecies and more contained in the Book of Mormon attest directly to the truthfulness of the Bible, the coming forth of the word of God in modern times, and the coming of Christ our Savior. the Book of Mormon, if to be used correctly, must be used along side the Holy Bible and also revelation from prophets in these latter days. |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Sorry about all that :/ This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 04:02am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Kow there is no need AT ALL for you to be sooooo rude!! I mean seriously?  Cant you have a discussion without being so nasty? Yet at the same time you say I dont mean to offend anyone...? Please the JA is about respect. Learn to respect other people. Koyi was not at all disrespecting you, in fact he is interested in knowing more about the book or mormon, just not on his bible study thread. But you kinda blew that whole idea. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jul 19 2004 03:52am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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That's okay. I'm finished. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the scriptures with me. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Hm...my previous comment was uncalled for. I apologize for that. Anyway, if you have any desire I'd be glad to try and put forth something constructive. This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 03:21am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Nevermind. Thank you for your help Kow. I'm ending this here. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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SaberWeildinKow - Student
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Those are all honest, (perhaps) rhetorical questions. Have I figured you out all wrong? I certainly haven't tried to urinate on your beliefs, just your attitude/motivation. Quote: Please show us how the Bible ties into the [B]ook of [M]ormon because I am ignorant to this subject. Quote: I'm not going to tell you that I think looking into [The Book of Mormon] is a great learning experience for me. Maybe it's just your style of writing that has confused me, but it seems that you are contradicting yourself here. Anyway, I've already posted how the Bible shows the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, but if you would like, I'll copy and paste. First though, I ask your motivation in calling for 'more proof' (as it were). Are you looking for knowledge with an open mind? Or are you looking to show off your Biblical erudition? This is an honest question. This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 03:17am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Koyi, I have to ask, do you even own a Book of Mormon? If so you have not read it. If you have read it you have not understood it. There is truth contained therein. Also, do you Really believe that you are not saved? Honestly, do you? Or is saying that just a means of showing your humility? If so, you have your reward. If I have 'openly disrespected' anyone let it be known that this was not my intention. However, contact me personally so that I may apologize to you in private. To answer your question, no, I don't not own that book, I have not read that book, and I haven't misunderstood anything within' it. Problem is, in the book of Revelations we read that no man should add or take away from the Bible or the Word of God. This was written and completed not that long after the resurrection of Christ. How is it that a Prophet then later receives further revelation from God when God warns man not to add to His Book? I don't understand this. I think someone posted that the book of mormon never needed translation. How is this so? If it was indeed written before revelations, especially if it were from old prophets how is it that it doesn't need translation? Was this book written before or after the completion of the Bible? I don't understand these things and that is why I haven't taken the time to even look into that book. Please explain these things to me? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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SaberWeildinKow - Student
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Koyi, let's stop trying to be the good guy, shall we? Ok, these are Your threads, all Yours, with Your rules, Your goals, Yours. Now that we have established that... Quote: Your intentions are very clear in your actions. You came on to piss all over everyone elses beliefs, to put people down because of their responses or lack of responses, and to openly disrespect me and the others who asked you to keep that material off of that thread ...
Quote:I'm not here to fight with you. Clearly. Koyi, I have to ask, do you even own a Book of Mormon? If so you have not read it. If you have read it you have not understood it. There is truth contained therein. Also, do you Really believe that you are not saved? Honestly, do you? Or is saying that just a means of showing your humility? If so, you have your reward. If I have 'openly disrespected' anyone let it be known that this was not my intention. However, contact me personally so that I may apologize to you in private. This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 02:47am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Are you trying to show that I have some doubt in my beliefs? I am wondering whether it is worth it to try and post on here, because I know your intention is to prove how wrong The Book of Mormon is (maybe I derive this from your intentional 'uncapitalization' of the Book of Mormon), and then put a few smilies in nice places and sound all humble. I don't know if I want to be a part of that. It's not even like that. True, I will admit that the bible to me is the Word of God therefore I call it the Bible. I don't mean to disrespect the book of mormon by not giving it caps, it's just that I don't think of it as additional prophecy. I'm don't mean to piss anyone off by doing this and you've got me figured out all wrong. True, I seek to gain more knowledge by asking questions pertaining to the book of mormon more or less questioning how it fits into the Bible. I'm not going to tell you that I think looking into this book is a great learning experience for me. I'm not convinced and I won't act like I am. Why is it that you are so willing to post on my Bible study where I was against it, but you refuse to proclaim the Word of God as you see it here? That's fine Kow. Your intentions are very clear in your actions. You came on to piss all over everyone elses beliefs, to put people down because of their responses or lack of responses, and to openly disrespect me and the others who asked you to keep that material off of that thread. I'm not here to fight with you. I'm not here to put down your beliefs or the book you believe in. I have my beliefs and I don't believe I am saved. I therefore could never hold any truth in the scriptures, only question them and search for truth. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Xanatos - Student
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Heh, noones perfect. Even if someone would like to think that, theyre wrong to begin with. _______________ |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student
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Quote: One other question Kow. Do you believe that you are saved? Do you sin at all in your lifestyle whether it be cursing, checking out women, have violent or angry thoughts, wants or needs of material things, love of money, anything? If you are asking if I think I am perfect, no, I am not. But I strive not to curse, to respect Women, to take a deep breath whenever I'm about to go off. I'm sure I have more wants than needs in regards to material things. And in the case of money, I have since I was 9 been well off, when my Father died and left a bunch to me, but I almost Want to be 'poor' material wise so that I can focus better on what is important. I have desired many times that when I get married I am a bit lower on the food chain. But yes, I do believe that I am on the road to Exaltation. I just hope I keep myself on the road. Quote: One second ago, you had a post here, and now you don't? Wierd. Are you trying to show that I have some doubt in my beliefs? I am wondering whether it is worth it to try and post on here, because I know your intention is to prove how wrong The Book of Mormon is (maybe I derive this from your intentional 'uncapitalization' of the Book of Mormon), and then put a few smilies in nice places and sound all humble. I don't know if I want to be a part of that. And no, I won't apologize for any boldness. Blame it on the ignorance of a teenager if it floats your boat, but I know with every fiber of my being that that which I know to be true Is true, and I won't present it as anything else besides fact. If this is wrong I'd like to see how, and I promise I will change that (this is not a challenge). **EDIT** This however does not mean that I do not accept those of other faiths, or those merely seeking to find happiness and peace in their own life. I respect that deeply. This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 12:09am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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One other question Kow. Do you believe that you are saved? Do you sin at all in your lifestyle whether it be cursing, checking out women, have violent or angry thoughts, wants or needs of material things, love of money, anything? Just wondering. Thanks. *edit* One second ago, you had a post here, and now you don't? Wierd. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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