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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Hello everybody. Time for the great minds of the Jedi Academy to come together. Smily and myself were discussing time travel just for fun when I threw out an impossible event. That event is going back in time to change something. Let me explain. Let's just say that yesterday, my cat gets hit by a car and I've been crying non stop since this sad event happened. Suddenly, I get the idea in my head that I want to take my time machine back in time before my cat gets killed to save her. I hop in my time machine and *BLAMPH* I'm back in time. Now I see my cat in the road, I pick her up, and I bring her back into the house and close all exits so the cat can not get hit by the car. This is where Smily gets confused. Now that this problem solved, I never would have felt the remorse or came up with the idea of going back in time to solve this problem because I already did. When time reached the point of time where I would want to go back to save her, I wouldn't because my cat is fine. So how would my cat be saved by me if I never had a reason for going back to save her? It's impossible to do because the second I solved the problem in the past, I never would have reach the future point where I would want to go back because the problem in time never existed for me to want to go back. What do you guys think? Do you think it is possible to go back in time to solve a problem? Let's say you solve it. Now you never would have been stimulated in the future of that point because the problem was solved or never existed. Let us know what you think.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Aug 01 2004 06:11am. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Maybe If you see your cat die then that is what will happen. If you go back to change it. Something will always stop you. (similar to the self in red car idea) Eg. just as you are about to run infront of the car waving arms to get there attentio nand tell them to stop you notice a .... somthing (whatever unimaginative atm sorry) about to kill your cat. You turn around to go and stop the something and the car goes flying past and kills the cat. inevitable? If when you go back to save the cat you succeed (lets supose by stopping the car before it reaches the cat). Then it is a one time occurance and the timeline "changes" then you (the other you not the one that went back in time but the you in the proper timeline.) will see the cat safly walk across the road. This would leave a second you in existance and the possibility of meeting yourself could cause a whole load of problems (as in back to the future not sure of the exact quote "Make sure you do not run into your future self, the consequences could be catastrophic (spelling?), endangering the very fabric of space time itself!", of course when she really meets herself she just faints  ). But anyone thats another matter.Oh and that brings me onto my final point. If it is possible to go back in time to change something (second of the two theories above). Where are all the future-people? (Possibility, jesus was a future-person performing "miricles" using future technologys that noone understood, saving people near death, healing blindness, hovering on water, making loads of food/wine etc. (star-trek style replicators). Dont bash me Koyi just a random thought  ) _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Jenko - Student 
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Hey Harry and Hermione do it (no not IT but timetravel) Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban! _______________ Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? rhyw ar y traeth! |
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Jenko - Student 
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well thing is not only would you have never felt the need to go back and change it coz nothing had actually happened. But when you go back in time, you wouldnt of had you time machine to go back to the present time. It depends on when you made it! Did you make it after ur cats death? _______________ Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? rhyw ar y traeth! |
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Orion - Retired 
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Is this based on that timetravel is possible? Cause now they believe timetravel is near impossible. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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StarWarsGirl - Ex-Student 
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I'm confused... _______________ Be strong & brave.Don't ever be afraid. Joshua 1:9 Fear is the path to the darkside. -Jedi Master Yoda |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Koyi: Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. |
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Mune - Student 
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Hey, what if this is all tied into that "fate" hickey doo? _______________ Captain Barkeep. This comment was edited by Mune on Aug 01 2004 08:08pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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That would be another way of looking at it Kenyon. Say that it was a car and I hop in a car, (the one that killed the cat to begin with) and make the mistake of killing my own cat. That too would be possible because I haven't changed anything. I witnessed or perhaps found my cat dead unknowingly that I did it and then race back in time trying to prevent the problem but end up becoming the problem. Thus myself in that time (not the one that goes back) would still feel hurt and try to stop it from happening. The constant that is time wouldn't be broken, all veriables would remain the same, and it could follow through. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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What if your cat was killed by a car driver? You go back in time, to see the car in question, let's say a red mercedes, drive across the road. You can't catch it on foot so you grab the nearest car, which, incidentally, looks exactly like the red mercedes you're following. While you go around the corner, your cat is there, and boom. Whoops. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
That movie is based on the book by H.G. Wells. But what if you were supposed to go back and change it? Ie, your cat dies, you go back in time and save it, and you go back... and that's what should've happened.... if that makes sense? Anyways, not even certain we'll ever get the knowledge to time travel.. or that it's even possible. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Aug 01 2004 07:52pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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About a year ago, there was this movie Time Machine, in which the lead character lost his girlfriend She was shot by a gun that accidently went off He was trying to be the hero, and tried to dismantle the opponent, and thus she got shot. He tried to go back in time, he saved her from this stray bullet, but she ended up being killed again, this time by a car. This means that you cannot change everything. You can change how it happens, but you cannot stop it from happening completely. There was a perfect explanation about why it is so in the movie, but I forgot, I'll watch the movie again to check it out be back later _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Or it can be looked at as a constant. Once the constant is broken and a certain time never existed, time would readjust to the new history of things. If your idea of time is right however, maybe that explains UFO's.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Or you haven't figured it out at all and time doesn't give a damn about causality, in which case you can go back and kill your grandfather (the famous grandfather paradox) and remain in that time, though disconnected from a future that cannot come to pass. In this case, time can best be described as a river with currents, alternate timelines flowing into eachother, splitting, forming, and ultimately ending up back in the river. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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If one were to travel back to watch or to witness something, it would most definitely be possible. Think about it. One would learn about the subject matter at some point and either at that moment or later they would come to want to witness it. Journeying back, they would witness it without changing anything. Finally they would return to the point in which they left or shortly after and continue their existance. History wouldn't be changed, they would still come into existance learning about said subject and wanting to witness it and doing it with no interuption. It's when your going back for the expressed reason of fixing or changing something that makes it impossible because when the problem is solved you never would have traveled back to fix it in the first place. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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That is why time travel to the past doesnt exist. _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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That's the easy way out  Yea, I see what you mean. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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If you go back into the past to correct a problem, then that time in which you traveled from would have never existed because the problem was never around during that time for you to want to go back to fix it. You in turn would have never existed at that point in time where you would travel back so the problem would never get fixed. It's impossible! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFL _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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ROFL!! ME and koyi have been laughing/talking/yelling, etc about this for 2HRS!!! ROFL!! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Time travel to me is a cool idea, but the consequences are very dangerous. Lets say the person that hit your cat got put on trial (just saying) and he was convicted of reckless driving (lets say driving under the influence). This person could be a murderer later on in his life if this event didnt straighten him out. So many possibilities for things to go wrong. In one story I read, called like "Dino Safari" or something related to that, a traveling machine company runs a business to have hunters pay them to go on safaris in prehistoric times against dinosaurs. Hunters are warned to stay on the path. One guy, naturally, while hunting, steps off the path and kills a butterfly. Small thing, but this step over millions of years changes history. A different president is in power and other things have changed (I can't exactly remember all the details) I believe it would be nice to observe the past but not get involved in it. And in your situation, you are pretty much in a continous and endless loophole, you reach that point in the future but are then returned to the point where you changed. You can't reach that point in your future b/c it can not occur. As you said, you have no reasoning to save the cat, yet in time (which is a continous thing) you had this reasoning. Time wins over and sends you back. I saw something similar to this in a Stargate episode where on a distant planet a short term time machine wound back time, but only a couple of ppl remembered what happened previously. Finally, after stopping this machine, the time elapsed is equal to the time present in these loops. I'm not definite on this matter at all, my info is HARDLY clear proof of what I have said. There ya go  Maybe I should have written this during the day heh.... _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on Aug 01 2004 07:01am. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Oh yeah, I love waxing philosophical. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I think I understand what your saying Kenyon. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Personally, I think that if you should be able to travel to the past, you would find yourself unable to change anything or, and this is even more interesting, you will be the catalyst of the events that led up to your travel in the first place, making the you the beginning, middle and end of your own situation. This comment was edited by Mookie on Aug 01 2004 06:40am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Actually it is very possible to do it, but your actions could change it. How is it possible to change it. If something bothers you enough to change it and you go back and change it, in effect the timeline in which you went back to change it never would have existed because the problem was changed. It wouldn't bother you anymore once you in the past made it to the point where you in the future went back because you solved the issue. How would it be possible then? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Actually it is very possible to do it, but your actions could change it. AKA the chaos theory. The quote explains it a little better than i could. Quote: The flapping of a single butterfly's wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, what the atmosphere actually does diverges from what it would have done. So, in a month's time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn't happen. Or maybe one that wasn't going to happen, does. (Ian Stewart, Does God Play Dice? The Mathematics of Chaos, pg. 141) Your actions could cause something so catastrophic only God could understand it This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Aug 01 2004 06:32am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Where Koyi gets confused is the fact that you still go back in time to change an event!! Once you change it yeah you dont need to change it again. So you start a new timeline in which the problem was solved. How can you say that you never changed the problem? Because you did! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Aug 01 2004 06:30am. |
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