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{-A-}/<yle - Student  |
Good idea Setemantor. Well here it is. The single saberists thread. I think a single saber pwns joo. We're so good with one saber, we don't need a second one or a double-bladed one. Stances? I'd go with strong vs dual and staff and use medium vs everything else, including itself. _______________ Please visit the Arcane Academy, IP:206.251.236.204:29070. Hosted by Mammoth Games. |
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Which saber type is the best.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Count me in, single is the only way to go! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Hehe, another single user has arrived here. =) _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Carve - Student 
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Well, having fought both Luke and L-Rod in JK3 I can pretty confidently say their styles are doing them quite well. I'm not trying to say that single offers less or even equal variety. Your options for variety are increased with the single. What I'm trying to say here is that, though your options are increased, the increase is negligible because the options with duals and staff are already so huge. It's like... adding 10 to infinity. So what? Know what I'm saying? To add to my post, I'd also like to mention that duals and staff are still very young. There was little variety in the numerous ways to use the saber in Jk2 after this amount of time. It's had ~3x longer to be experimented with, and I've seen some pretty crazy things done with staff and duals. Why, I once saw somebody use the dual kata (where both sabers leave the users' hands) effectively in a duel server. I wish I could remember how he did it... should've recorded demos. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Nov 26 2004 07:40pm. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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yeah but that was jk2 where everyone has the same saber, same dmg and wutnot. i wouldn't expect them to duel as they did back in jk2 vs dualists, staffers, and even single saberists of today. fact is there's much more randomness in this game (or so i heard) and u can't do consistently well anymore with a specialization in one stance. prolly less true for red stance but this is just my opinion. |
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Carve - Student
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Well sauce, you bring up an interesting point. The additional of variability is an important variable (haha.. sorry). But let's take this into account: The three best duelers in the history of the JA were Luke, L-Rod, and Phr00t. Some people may dispute this but that is the generally accepted top three. Luke and Phr00t use/used yellow almost exclusively. L-Rod used red 100%. Variety is an important part of dueling, I agree; I believe, though, that limitations on variety are imposed more on a person's personality than the stance, and the three people above that I named help back up my point. _______________ © |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
i think the best way is to prove it by dueling |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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it's true that duals have the best offense to defense combination but duals, like any multibladed weapons (without stance switches), does not allow for alot of variations. that in itself is a big weakness. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Well, it's true that duals have a pretty good defense. Also, since there are two of them, they have a lot of offense. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
ultimately you're saying dual is superior. from your description, you suggest that dual is superior if 2 duelers were equal in skills. from my own experience, i find staff has greater defense than dual. This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 26 2004 01:49am. |
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Carve - Student 
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Well, don't get me wrong here; I'm not saying that if I used duals I would be able to beat everybody. That's just silly. What I am saying is that by using duals I give myself an advantage and would find it easier to beat somebody than I would using any of the other two stances. As I mentioned earlier, it boils primarily down to two things broad categories: Offense and Defense. The dual sabers have attacks that are harder to avoid than red stance because they move faster but deal as much damage. Their ability to smash through defenses are without peer - if used properly. So to be frank, in the hands of a skilled user, between single, staff, and duals, the most damage can be dealt the fastest in a 1v1 experience using duals. Thus, purely from a logical standpoint, duals have the superior offense. From a defensive standpoint, duals block more attacks - and have specials that block or deflect attacks - more often and more effectively than either single or staff. Even when swinging your defense is still high (as long as you don't spin). Not so with single and staff - many of the common swings leave you quite open on one side. From a purely logical standpoint, the blocking and deflecting ability of duals supercedes single and staff. Thus, defense is superior. Now, I can plainly look at this and say, "Hmm. Superior offense and superior defense. It's obvious that the duals are the better saber." Of course, some will be better staff-users than dual-users, but that is more a matter of experience and preference than mechanics. Some people can defeat a person with a sword using their bare hands - does that mean a sword is inferior? No. _______________ © |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
did you mean that dual is superior in 1v1 duel in the previous post? so you'd win if you use dual against standard or staff? if a saber type does make a difference, then there must be a superior one? if the saber type doesn't matter, then there is no superior. i'm sorry but i'm a skeptic. i just don't accept things without empirical evidence. confounding effects are everywhere. maybe you lost because you haven't adjusted when he switched. when you switch, he loses. when he switches, you lose. This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 25 2004 11:57pm. |
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Carve - Student
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I'm sorry, but I just have to disagree. A huge part of this game are the simple physics and mechanics. An example: Leif and I were dueling one day. To set the stage, Leif and I are of approximately equal skill - he's a bit better with yellow than I am. Neither of us were having a particularly good or bad day - we were simply dueling at our usual levels. I started with something other than single - probably staff - and I was winning pretty consistently. So changed to staff - now it was staff vs staff and not single vs staff. He started winning so I went to doubles. Then I started winning again. So he went to doubles and I started losing. So I went to singles again and I started winning again. This doesn't illustrate that one sabertype is superior to another, and I know that. My point is what type of saber you're using DOES make a difference. _______________ © |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
i meant blue is "quite" but not totally useless in a real fight compared to jedi outcast. the specials are not useless. the tradeoffs are just not in your favour. a bold conclusion. the winner of the duel depends on the individuals, not the sabers. all of this is not going anywhere unless you can prove it. less talk and more action please This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 24 2004 11:14pm. |
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Carve - Student
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I voted duals for two very simple reasons. 1) Duals can do the most damage the fastest. A downhack-backflip is all well and good, but you actually have to execute it - a slow move. A well-placed two-hit diagonal slash with the duals is fatal. A large number of the other dual attacks also do damage matching that of single's most powerful attack - and the same swings execute just as fast as the staff. 2) Defense. It has superior defense to any of the stances. Even when you're swinging you can be defending. So let's look at it like this... you can kill someone faster and you don't take as much damage. Seems pretty obvious to me which is the best. One-on-one, doubles are the winner. For large groups, however, I would say it's a tie between staff and single. Single breaks through defenses easier than any other stance meaning less blocks meaning more damage dealt... but staffhas no break in swings, meaning more attack opportunities meaning more damage dealt... depends on what you're facing. Lots of single-users vs a staffer = lots of dead single users. Lots of staffers/double-users vs a staffer = one schooled staffer. Catch my drift? I assume you guys are talking about 1v1 duels though in which case dual sabers = win. Edit: Actually I just realized it depends on the mod. I was thinking about one of the mods I played where if you do a backslash with the doubles and someone hits you, the backslash gets cancelled. On most mods, the backslash will wrack you up multiple kills in one shot - and it's unblockable. So for FFAs - on most mods - I would say the duals win that, too. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Nov 24 2004 05:57pm. |
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Duffman - Student 
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le m00 _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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<®AsH D'K/ln/l - Student 
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Well tbh... -.- there are many skilled staff and dual saber users (nonspammers and not 1 moveabusers) who can pwn single saber, seen that ^^, same to single , muchos players pwn others with that . Conclusion : ya all can pwn ^^ respect for all weapons ppl  seek for j00 style  /me votes all except *single pwns j00 *EDIT* make one thread called "Saber users unite" *EDIT 2* oh lo wait I think this thread is called "The Jedi Academy"  This comment was edited by <®AsH D'K/ln/l on Nov 23 2004 09:16am. |
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Squibit - Student 
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I still think that specials are not always bad and can be used effectivly. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: just that the blue style and the special moves for the medium and heavy is quite useless. in outcast, the blue could actually kill someone I disagree...well partly anyway. Blue is not useless, and it can be used to kill someone. In fact I find it quite fun when i need a distraction. But yeah the specials are bad  _______________ INTP |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Well, it is dying, but I guess it's still alive. |
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{-A-}/<yle - Student 
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Man, This thread's still alive? _______________ Please visit the Arcane Academy, IP:206.251.236.204:29070. Hosted by Mammoth Games. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
just that the blue style and the special moves for the medium and heavy is quite useless. in outcast, the blue could actually kill someone |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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I believe everyone has a weapon of choice, mine is the single saber. All weapons have its own advantage, but I like the advantage of a single saber (3 stances, Yay!) best! _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Nov 16 2004 06:25pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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The Staff thread started out as a joke, then people began to take it all seriously. I mean it, there is nothing wrong with any of the 3 saber types. I use both the Duals and Staff occasionally. |
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n00b - Student 
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I really love this kind of thread :/ God, I thought we left the "Single (or staff or duals) pwns j00!" threads in the past. A thread like this is going to hurt a lot of people's feeling and definitely conflicts with about a dozen or so people's goals for the Academy. A number of really great people here have dedicated themselves to showing the ways of the less favored sabers. At one point, almost everyone was single and now we are seeing a pretty good mix of single or dual users with staff users on the rise. We need to thank guys like Janus, Motrec, Gradius, et al. for spreading the knowledge and bringing us a much more rich and well balanced game. Please, before anyone else says anymore, let's consider what an absolute waste of time a thread like this is. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Udrof - Ex-Student |
Single saber is the best ..IT ROCKS!!! _______________ Im the Dark Traveler |
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