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jidai - ex-Student |
is there a way to beat the left and right swing or scissors other than doing it yourself? This post was edited by jidai on Nov 14 2004 03:48pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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jidai - Ex-Student |
does anyone know another game that focuses a lot in fighting like sword fighting. a game which requires the arts. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: from what i see, it's intuition and the mind. but i'm sure there is a mechanism also but would take a great deal of research. if anyone had done something for the mechanism i would appreciate if you can share. You should visit Virtues Class sometime =) Or just ask some of the more experienced yellow users about such things...like Jaiko or Jaina. Oh and ive noticed that the right-forward swing of the medium stance is quite powerful but pretty slow...if timed right, he might even break through the scissors defenses. But i doubt that someone could fight seriously with using only this or any other move besides the scissor against another medium stancer. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
is there really a mechanism for saber dueling? is it all about intuitions from training? is it a psychological battle? from years of dueling, i feel like i'm just "fluking" it. what forces govern the battle from victory and defeat? from what i see, it's intuition and the mind. but i'm sure there is a mechanism also but would take a great deal of research. if anyone had done something for the mechanism i would appreciate if you can share. what makes the medium very special is that i was able to defeat an inexperienced player easily when he uses heavy or staff or dual. but when he uses the medium and fights me, i get a higher chance of losing. as if something in the medium that balances out the powerful and the weak. when you say assure, do you mean 100 percent because i think there are other factors that gave you the win. it might seem like it works. so ambiguous... This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 17 2004 10:34pm. |
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Throgun Donut - Ex-Student 
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Ah, but thats where the waggle comes in. that gives them a near 360 degree arc, and the ability to concentrate where they're going. Also keep in mind a lot of people who fight like that will refuse to do absolutely anything until you do something first. I've fought a few like that here. I myself don't like yellow vs yellow fights at all. Yellow is a really unreliable stance as far as combinations go. You can't tell very well when your combination is going to be forcefully cut off, and so people who just wait to attack get the upper hand. As for the left/right stuff with duals and staff, it is actually a lot easier to counter them using diagonal swings and superior positioning, and thats why I enjoy fights between those styles, they're really fast paced and a lot about quickly aiming a atrike after a parry and such. People think they're just random, but you really just have to get a feel for doing it. But generally, my favorite counter for the yellow scissors with single is just run-by yellow shots. If the guy starts crouching and or waggling, then I just toss away the yellow and get in there with red. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Personally i dont believe that side swings make a great dueler, nor does it give any great advantage in my eyes. Movement is one of the major keys to dueling and the sideways motion generated by these swings can be used to an advangtage as it allows you to move around the opponent, or take advantage of an ungaurded shouler. If someone is using sideswings dont try to counter with a swing, instead counter them with superiour movement and mindset....That is the key in my eyes. -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Mirael D'Kana - Student 
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Masta: Actually, u can win any duel using SINGLE medium stance swings. I assure U. No need for scissors. Same about blue stance, but meh, i can't do that. Just yet. Never seen it either. And to answer the person who asked the question about beating left-right scissor attack: there is a way. Meet me on JA wireplay one day for a little demostration. I'll gladly teach u =) _______________ -The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven.(John Milton)- Mirael D'Kana, daughter and Padawan to Jaina D'Kana, proud mastress to Crash D'Kana and Saige D'Kana. Winner of Henkes' Pure Pwnage Award. Proud owner of Jaina's 999th post. Proud user of Odan Wei's JA Logo in my avatar. -SWG random quote: People use hammers to knock holes in the wall. I use a hammer to knock Bounty Hunters' teeth out.- This comment was edited by Mirael D'Kana on Nov 17 2004 03:15pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: this left and right swing really killed the variety of the game. since it's so powerful you'd see a lot of people using it over and over as a choice for medium. people claiming they are elite duelists use this all the time, i wonder why. in a way it makes other swings quite obsolete. i find it physically incorrect also. This is so true. It almost seems like theres nothing to medium stance besides scissors. Especially when fighting other medium stancers...its quite hard to win such a duel WITHOUT using scissors yourself (when using medium stance that is) But there are a few possibilites to get a medium stancer with red...it just takes much unpredictability and surprise. Of course, ive never managed to beat a flawless medium user...and of course, ive never managed to beat a flawless red user...and i just cant say that the medium stance is more superior then any other stance. Its just not true...but thats my opinion. Take Care _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Nov 17 2004 09:08am. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
easier said than done actually. if there are flaws then please tell me how to beat it. the guy does left and right swing when you run close to him and takes a whole bunch of hp from you. you come and do a swing on him but what if you fail. that could be your last swing. even if you actually hit him, it's nothing compared to his attack. left and right left and right. down goes your hp. not only does he know to fight against you but also gets an advantage on damage due to that left and right swing. so i guess you can't win unless you do it yourself or you're going to have a heck of a time winning. don't forget that he's as good as you are so he can maneuver himself to dodge your swings. the chances of you winning him not 50/50 as you would expect. this left and right swing really killed the variety of the game. since it's so powerful you'd see a lot of people using it over and over as a choice for medium. people claiming they are elite duelists use this all the time, i wonder why. in a way it makes other swings quite obsolete. i find it physically incorrect also. i missed the days of outcast where you could actualy beat someone with the blue style without trying so hard. you basically have no chance against an experienced play using the blue style here. This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 17 2004 03:22am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Absorb. Nobody said the gunners had to be forceless. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Masta - Jedi Council
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*cough force pull *cough =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Weee. ^^ |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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haha yeah, lets just agree on that: guns > * *psst* (now we made Aratan smile ) _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: ... right until the gunner jumps in, and kills all saberists around him. theres always someone... tru though _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Rofl ... |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Can't say it just like that ? Well I just did!! And I'll damn well say it again!! An uber yellow vs an uber Red, the yellow will win every time, power is no substitute for speed and agility. Sure it might be pretty close, but yllow would come up trumps most of the time.... ... right until the gunner jumps in, and kills all saberists around him. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Can't say it just like that ? Well I just did!! And I'll damn well say it again!! An uber yellow vs an uber Red, the yellow will win every time, power is no substitute for speed and agility. Sure it might be pretty close, but yllow would come up trumps most of the time.... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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i guess any well-timed swing at a safe range would do but that doesn't help ya much does it hehe. ur safest bet, imo, is to hit em right after they're done with the combo. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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no way kreep. you cant just say it like that. there is no "superior" style/stance/saber. it depends on your style, and movement, etc. if you're talking single saber only, yellow is formidable, true. but the lack of punch and range can be made up with improved movement and anticipation, for instance. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Ok to answer your new question, if I got the best red fighter I've EVER seen and the best yellow fighter, the yellow guy would win _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Masta - Jedi Council
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It really comes all down to timing. Doing scissors all the time doesnt mean you have an advantage and are good or something like that. Doing backflips all the time or spamming aerials is hard to counter as well...but this doesnt mean you have an advantage because every move and tactic HAS flaws...and you have to use those flaws to YOUR advantage...otherwise the other one will win. But in my opinion, the ultimate tactic is beeing as flexible as you can be and adapt to your opponents tactic...that means you will have a new tactic everytime you face someone else =) Saves you from beeing predictable at least heh _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Nov 15 2004 07:24am. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
let's say both guys are experienced and are quite similar in skill level. who would have a better advantage? the guy with left and right swing vs the one without it. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Of course, There are many solutions and counters against a scissor. Lets just take the crouching scissor for example =P ..but..i wouldnt recommend crouching all the time..its a bit unfair. Nevertheless...just take a look at the red stance. The red right swing for example has much more range then a yellow right swing...which means that when you stay at the right distance, you will hit him without getting hit yourself. The more advanced yellow stance users will dodge the slow red swing and use the huge gap to hit you tho =/ In the end, it all comes down to timing which results out of experience and movement. Ive even heard rumours of someone (kain) beating yellow stance users with blue stance lol But anyway...most red swings have a greater range then the yellow swings...and they are usually powerfull enough to break through the scissors defense which will result in a hit =) Its the approach which is tricky...and the timing of course heh It takes practice =) Take Care _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Red stance, jump straight up and do a right swing as you're landing, as soon as you hit the ground hit jump again, this way you're hardly ever touchin the floor, and when you are you're doing the most powerful and far reaching swing you can Mix this up by doing normal overheads, a few swings to the left to keep your opponent on their toes and sometimes laning and doing 2-3 swings added on just so your opponent gets caught by them as they move in. Hope this helps... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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