| How to make a "red stance" Single Saberist MAD | |
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 A funny thing happened the other night. I was in a server playin around and what not when a guy came in and was totally pwning everyone and Im not even exaggerating...He had like over 100 frags and maybe 20 losses if that. Well he eventually challenged me and he came at me while I was bowing  ...anywho...He was jumping and swinging and got in a few good hits on me well he was waiting to do that jump/overhand slash thats basically an instant killer when instead I strafed to the right then ran up and did a saber uppercut  killed him instantly and got the "....noob" comment. So I said "Duel again" and he naturally agreed....so we duel again....I still bow lol but he didnt like I thought....I ran around some...dodged his swings like a champ for once....waited for the perfect opportunity to strike then whaabaaaaam uppercut...."Player X was killed by Ekim Srettes" lol. After another duel or so he got mad and left me a lovely comment like "You f***ing n00b...ur using hacks...this rooms gay." ....player x disconnected. I love it when people come in and act bad and lame and cuss everyone out then you just annilhiate them with blue stance LMAO_______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. This post was edited by Orion on Nov 24 2004 11:40pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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im a vet red user and its annoyign when it happens in my opinion i hate yellow in in a single styole which is -hit and run!!...hit and RUN!!- no fun to fight :| _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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LOL this shouldn't be how to tick off a red user, should be how to tick off an Idiot. I a BIG time Red stancer, if he had been any good at defense or movement then he woulda lasted longer  _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Countering BF's... Im not sure wether this works or not, but heh, just maybe ^^ At the end of a BF (not the sideways BF, but the froward 1) there is a spin, meaning the staffer's back is exposed. Now, you can hit that with a well-timed overhead, sciccors, or uppercut. (For as far as i know :/) Just not when they spin their mouse  Again, Im not entirely sure wether this works or not  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Feb 18 2005 08:56am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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add the overhead when the staff has done the flip bit and is kinda spinning slowly around with the saber angled down a bit i think, then hit him with an overhead, lunge or buzzsaw _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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On the BWN servers is where I encounter the most butterfly spamming and mouse sensing staff saber users. My usual tactic with dual sabers, if I spot it in time is just to us the duals kata. Don't spin the mouse or anything (like most people do when they use it  ) just keep your focus on the staffer and their butterfly gets completely blocked while you do a fair amount of damage to them. Of course it depends on the mods damage and deflection settings, so bear that in mind, but I have also had success with this move on JA servers. However on JA servers you don't get 90% of staffers doing butterflys and then spinning aimlessly, so I haven't had the chance to use it tht often (luckily ).With single, which I'll admit I'm not so good with, I just try to stay out of the way of the butterfly until right at the end. Then there is a gap on their last flip that you can hit (unless they are spinning ) and just try to cut through with a red uppercut. I don't know how good this tactic really is, but sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. I guess it's in the timing. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I havnt found a good counter against staffs BF yet...i was actually hoping someone would help me (and there were a few ppl who said stuff like: yea next time imma show u uber leet counter vs BF!). But errr...nvm...im still working on it myself. Dual BFs are pretty easy to counter, imo.Just add an overhead at the end of their BF and they should be dead...or at least injured =) Ive made pretty negative experiences with using a lunge against a staff BF...could be just me tho...as pointed out above > im still working on it. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Feb 04 2005 08:46am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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yeah, in fact it works better because dual BFs cant be aimed as mush as a staff BF. just watch people when they BF and youll soon see the gap in which to strike. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Ecks - Student 
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Would this work against a dual BF? _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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lunge if you can, otherwise a dodge and an overhead always seems to work _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Ecks - Student
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Wow... you summed up my feelings in a nutshell. I totally agree, I should work on finding counters for BF spamming. I was just wondering though, for a red master, is it wise to use an upward diagonal swing against a BF; or should I sidestep and do a side swing; or should I just dodge, and then wait for the cooldown? _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Time to add my opinions =D The first thing you should definately avoid is frustration.If someone beats u in a gay way...you can do 3 things. 1) Ignore it and try to beat him the next time. 2) Leave the server and join another one. 3) Beat him in your own dirty way. Lets just say...there is someone who spamms BFs constantly (and lets just assume hes some sort of newbie who is just randomly spamming them...and yes there are other ways of spamming BFs which are even more mean then the random spam...like...starting the BF directly infront of you while spinning like a mofo...ive seen it all lol)...and you fall into them and get beaten. Theres one conclusion you SHOULD draw from that experience... If he beats you with random BFs...then it just means that you arnt able to counter them correctly.And if you cant counter them correctly...then it just means you have to work on that. Ask a JAK+ or one of your fellow students to help you with that problem and im sure youll come up with a good counter...and once u got good at countering BFs...make the spammers pay. If someone notices that his move isnt working at all...then i guess hes gonna stop doing it and change tactics (or not...which is even better for you). For me, its like...if someone adds dirt to the game (like poking/swaying/spinning/wiggling/spamming) then im gonna answer with dirt.Maybe its just me (im sure it is) but im kinda fed up with beeing unable to beat pokers and spinners the "clean" way.Yes, there are methods to beat them...and it requires tons of skill to beat someone like that...but if hes gonna choose that path, then im gonna show him that it requires no skill at all to beat him and his way of fighting (and maybe make him realize how poor it is to fight like that). Take Care and good luck _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Ecks - Student
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Thanks for understanding. I apologize if I sounded a bit babyish. In the future, I'll try to find other ways to vent that frustration _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Feb 03 2005 02:17am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: I fully admit I am a red stance user, and I am nowhere near "elite master" status . But still, come on... You must say, it is slightly frustrating, at least, to fight a guy who butterflies exclusively (noobs, I am in no way insulting real skilled users of BF.), and keep getting hit. Don't get me wrong; I am fully aware of the skill needed to BF - I used to use dual sabers - and I highly respect masters of any saber. However, even you must admit, fighting a guy who butterflies every 3 seconds and then when he beats you (by like 5 hp lol), and you want a rematch, he refuses, saying he "pwnd" you, is a tad frustrating. Again, sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but consider the circumstances. Would you be calm if someone repeatedly BF'd you, then taunted you endlessly?EDIT: BTW, I know it is easy to see a butterfly coming, but when the guy forces you to run all the time... A bit stressing. yeah, it can get frustrating. best thing to do is just counter. playing spammers really isnt any fun, youre right there, I just dont duel them again. i play games to have fun, not get mad at spammers. if they taunted me, id ignore it (yeah easy to say i guess ) or just find another server. clan serves and oones with admins tend to have less laming and spamming going on ive found _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Ecks - Student
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I fully admit I am a red stance user, and I am nowhere near "elite master" status . But still, come on... You must say, it is slightly frustrating, at least, to fight a guy who butterflies exclusively (noobs, I am in no way insulting real skilled users of BF.), and keep getting hit. Don't get me wrong; I am fully aware of the skill needed to BF - I used to use dual sabers - and I highly respect masters of any saber. However, even you must admit, fighting a guy who butterflies every 3 seconds and then when he beats you (by like 5 hp lol), and you want a rematch, he refuses, saying he "pwnd" you, is a tad frustrating. Again, sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but consider the circumstances. Would you be calm if someone repeatedly BF'd you, then taunted you endlessly? EDIT: BTW, I know it is easy to see a butterfly coming, but when the guy forces you to run all the time... A bit stressing. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Feb 02 2005 11:41pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: Great skill... As in doing a butterfly repeatedly without even swinging? I'm sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but have u ever fought a person who all they did was butterfly. As in... NO swings or movement? yes great skill. put it this way. its pretty easy to see a BF coming, then you move out of the way. that way you dont get hit and die. i think almost everyone here has played BF spammers. as long as a move is good people will spam it, katas and red aerials etc. but, there a little thing we like to call 'countering' this would involve punishing the spammer for making the mistake of spamming. this may be a buzzsaw, red overheadm lunge or whatever.the fact remains, Bfs are easy to see and havea long cooldown, you can exploit this to your advantage. plus you could argue the same about many things, like holding right and attack to do a red side swing. the SKILL is in aiming ant timing so they hit your opponent. btw: are you a red stancer? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Ecks - Student
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Great skill... As in doing a butterfly repeatedly without even swinging? I'm sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but have u ever fought a person who all they did was butterfly. As in... NO swings or movement? _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Kueller - Student 
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BUtterflies take great skill to aim correctly. It's the one on the receiving end who is to blame if he is so daft to walk into them. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Phantom - Student 
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LAMO guy cant take a lose! _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Ecks - Student 
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As well, it is extremely annoying when people run around, and then do a butterfly and get lucky. Then when they beat you with absolutely no skill but button mashing, they brag about how good they are, and saying how you were pwned. I'd really like to meet those guys in real life, and see how they talk then. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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ill admit its annoying when people attack when you bow....grrr i was forced to batter the person involved AND he was a lamer. >_< _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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Ecks - Student
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It's also very annoying when the other guy runs and keeps trying to do DFA's, and then you are forced to keep waiting and attacking, which displays no skill at all. I hate those "jump monkeys", because when I do beat them, it gives me no sense of satisfaction, nor do I improve my skill. That is another way to cheese off a red stance user, although not directly. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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That's where you start using another counter as well! |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Does anyone else see amazing irony when player A uses the same red attack over and over and over. Then when you find the counter, you counter him/her over and over and over. And all of a sudden your the noob who can only do one thing......................... _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Blademaster - Student 
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Great ownage man! Keep up the good work of deflating supersized egos! Try to find that dude again sometime! _______________ Let's race. You, me, and 5 kilometers of ground. The only question is: Do you feel fast today? |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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One way you could tick a Red User off, is by creating threads like this. |
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