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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
Okay, I think I might have figured this one out open for debate of course  The Force is an entity, so it equals 1 The Light side = 0.5 The Dark Side = 0.5 Now, an equasion always is in balance, so both sides must be equal. If the equasion is brought into imbalance, it will balance itself again (see Matrix Reloaded to catch my drift completely  )Let us presume that for every dark sider, there is an equal lightsider let's presume that Darth Maul = Obi-Wan Kenobi There is balance Dooku = Anakin There is still balance Sidious = ...? no more balance The equasion tips over to the Dark Side, and there is imbalance Which is probably why Anakin had twins. Twice his power. And perhaps the power needed to destroy Sidious once and for all... What do you feel about this? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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SaZ - Student 
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force is quite balanced actually... wireplay crashes etc and you still have fun somehow... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 08 2005 03:26pm. |
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DJK - Student 
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Bump? |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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exactly things stay as they are when balanced, it takes change in the balance in order for power to exchange hands _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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I see what you are saying Master Prodigy and i agree, i guess when imbalance occurs then changes often happen. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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in the movies there was only balance when it was yoda+obiwan vs Vader+Emperor, so i guess there was a peroid of time where there was balance, but once that balance was offset, things changed, it might have been a fair fight vader vs obi, yoda vs emperor...but the fact that the empire had a couple billion troops made it alil unfair lol, hence my other state when the dark and light went head to head, it took a two on one effort to kill the emperor _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Jeramia Adept - Student
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I have to disagree Master Prodigy, Balance is always an issue and always exist. Even if there isnt a Dark Jedi for every Light Jedi, For example Luke Skywalker = Boba Fett(just an example). or even Mara Jade = the Clone of Luke. I also tend to disagree with Sithmaster as well, Not all may be understood in mathmatics. It is my belief that comprehension of life cannot exist in mathmatics, Peace Love and Understanding may be shown through emotion or even self thought. However if you are stating that certain origins of Chemestry, science, or blunt examples such as "1 Apple" then i agree. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius This comment was edited by Jeramia Adept on Feb 15 2005 05:19am. |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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ROTJ Luke vs Vader and Emperor Emperor lights Luke up like a christmas tree since its 2 on 1, when Vader's love for Luke comes out it changes the teams to Emperor vs Luke and Anakin(Vader) there never will be balance, or there will always be a winner. Balance is a myth, there will always be a winner _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Tamal - Student 
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This is a very interesting topic, thank you Bail for bringing it up  I have always believed Star Wars to be a massive struggle between good and evil. (at its core anyway) In this kind of struggle I have always felt that the force was only out of balance because of the darkside, once destroyed, balance returned. I never really thought about the numbers side of it....hmmmm ponder this I must.....I guess that is my opinion, but as we can see definitely LOTS of room for discussion  _______________ Tamal 
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DF_SithMaster44 - Student 
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Everything is mathematics, everything can be understood by mathematics. I loved that about the balance mathematically represented. _______________ Once I heard about something called "real life". I tried to find out what that was and I discovered that it is a place where you can use Force powers without draining your Force pool!! | laming NPCs is good for your soul |
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IoNiFy - Student 
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I agree with Leif I don't think you can put a number or percentage on the force it's suppose to bind the glaxy together you can't limit something like that.  _______________ Rawr.
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El Vee For - Student 
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can't argue with math, that is why I like it hmmm imbalance 1000 Jedi vs 2 Sith Yes Imbalance, if the one were to bring balance it would appear more like this 2 Jedi vs 2 Sith (Obi Wan, Yoda and Vader, Emperor) Obi wan perishes, who takes his place? Luke. 2 to 2 Yoda perishes, oh snaps imbalance! Not quite since it is in Yoda departure that Luke learns "there is another" Leia his sister. 2 to 2 The two "jedi" or good guys over power the evil empire how? Not with a lightsaber or turbolasers, with love. Anakins love of his children. Hmm another emotion that Ani can't control. Yeah Galaxy!! then its 2 vs. ? Imbalance, can you say sequel trilogy!! Lets Hope Peace Props to the thread creator for a well thought post. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Squibit - Student 
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Perhaps the Jedi havn't figured that part out yet. then realise it means them getting slaughtered and think, oops we dumb I do like Buzz's idea. Usualy people think of the force being balanced by light = Dark as in this definition Quote: A state of equilibrium or parity characterized by cancellation of all forces by equal opposing forces. it could be balanced when there is no chaotic dark force users, and all of the force users are peaceful, controled, serene (basicly jedi), as in this definition Quote: A harmonious or satisfying arrangement or proportion of parts or elements, _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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thewind - Student |
Is it just me or is there a lot of inconsistencies in the movies? The movie didn't even seem to define what the balance of the force meant. |
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Zertz - Student 
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For Some reason I always thought of it as numbers, in the begining there was the Ancient Jedi and the Original Sith, then the Old Republic's Jedi and the various incarnations of the Sith Empire, then the Sith dwindled to two causing an imbalance. The massacre of the Jedi seems to me to be sort of a balancing point bring the numbers to Obi-Wan, Yoda, and the various lost Knights (Callista, Echuu) and Darth Vader, Palpatine, and the various Dark Jedi (Jerec, Mara Jade). Into the era of the New Republic there was the New Jedi Order and the various Dark Side movements (Sith Academy, Jerec, Cultists). Episode III with its relevations about the Force will most likely change my mind. _______________ Some friends wear pants, some don't. |
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1ns1d1ous - Student 
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I always thought it was... as many jedis in the universe but only two dark jedis. for example... jedi1+jedi2+jedi3+..... = .5 entity wheres as dark side master and dark side padawan = .5 entity. so any one dark side jedi is more powerful than any one light side jedi, unless there is only 1 or 2 light side jedis left... sort of like in return of the jedi... (if that dosn't make sence im sorry, its hard to type out a complex thought) edit: "let's presume that Darth Maul = Obi-Wan Kenobi There is balance Dooku = Anakin There is still balance Sidious = ...? no more balance The equasion tips over to the Dark Side, and there is imbalance " --dooku and darth maul werent ever on the dark side at the same time. _______________ Spent my days with a woman unkind, smoked my stuff and drank all my wine... This comment was edited by 1ns1d1ous on Dec 31 2004 03:59pm. |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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Yes. An amount of evil is in everything. Without that evil, everything would be changed, unbalanced. Imagine a pair of scales, good on one side, evil on the other. The amounts must be equal for there to be a balance. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: That was something the Jedi Order seemed not to notice. In Episode One, when they were talking about Anikin being the chosen one, meant to balance out the force, there were more Jedi than Sith. Doesen't this, obviously, mean that Anikin would tun to the Dark Side? All good is not a balance. For balance, some of each (Light side + Dark side) is needed. ah but who says that the Force is in Balance when Dark equals Light? Like Buzz said, it could be that the force is only in Balance when the Dark Side has been defeated, because the Sith use the force as a weapon to empower the worthy. They constantly slaughter each other and everyone they come across. Them as part of a balance? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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thewind - Student |
good point, Rand. |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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That was something the Jedi Order seemed not to notice. In Episode One, when they were talking about Anikin being the chosen one, meant to balance out the force, there were more Jedi than Sith. Doesen't this, obviously, mean that Anikin would tun to the Dark Side? All good is not a balance. For balance, some of each (Light side + Dark side) is needed. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune This comment was edited by The Dragon Reborn on Dec 22 2004 11:30pm. |
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thewind - Student |
rofl |
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Janiriki - Student 
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Why thanks, but i still rekon the Palpatine/Sidious would be a little surprised att he situation, and witht he force as my ally ... an your grandad not being ready for it... lmao at the mental images here _______________ Proud to be Padawan to Sared "It's not over 'till I WIN!!!" Les Brown |If at first you don't succeed...you're doing about average! «§pecial ©haracters guide» | Winners never quit & quitters never win! |
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thewind - Student |
Quote: Hmm seems people are missing something here. Anikin does 2 things in the fliks. 1 he turns to the dark side & removes lots of Jedi (or so I'm told ). 2 and here's the cruncher - He turns to the Light side ... previously thought impossible ... and into the bargin finishes off the sith ... for now.My points are that there are still light and dark siders arround, HE is the chosen one (not luke), and he proves travel between light & dark is not completley a 1 way street (although backing up it can be quite difficult it is possible). To put aside the knocking off of the emperor bit. He's OLD, and aparently frail, bring your grandfather in and I'll squeeze him in the ribs and we will see if he can put up a fight ... or if he croaks in pain - and we know Anakin still has quite a bit of strength as he lifts him over his head ... aparently with ease. (shock may have something to do with it also ) If my grandfather was a sith lord, I bet you couldn't squeeze him :p That's a good point you made on Vader being able to return to the light side. This comment was edited by thewind on Dec 21 2004 03:44am. |
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Janiriki - Student
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Hmm seems people are missing something here. Anikin does 2 things in the fliks. 1 he turns to the dark side & removes lots of Jedi (or so I'm told). 2 and here's the cruncher - He turns to the Light side ... previously thought impossible ... and into the bargin finishes off the sith ... for now. My points are that there are still light and dark siders arround, HE is the chosen one (not luke), and he proves travel between light & dark is not completley a 1 way street (although backing up it can be quite difficult it is possible). To put aside the knocking off of the emperor bit. He's OLD, and aparently frail, bring your grandfather in and I'll squeeze him in the ribs and we will see if he can put up a fight ... or if he croaks in pain - and we know Anakin still has quite a bit of strength as he lifts him over his head ... aparently with ease. (shock may have something to do with it also ) _______________ Proud to be Padawan to Sared "It's not over 'till I WIN!!!" Les Brown |If at first you don't succeed...you're doing about average! «§pecial ©haracters guide» | Winners never quit & quitters never win! |
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thewind - Student |
Quote: I could push you down a ravine with one hand too. Doesn't make me stronger than you, now does it? It wasn't as if the emperor was standing right before the reactor, and vader suddenly pushed him. The emperor had plenty time to react and save himself if he could. The emperor may be old but yoda was older than him when he took on dooku. And Yoda and kenobi wasn't going to face Vader till skywalker grew up. The emperor may be strong but i doubt he's stronger than yoda, and definitely not even in the same league as Darth Vader. The plot of the star wars series are obvious. They all center around skywalkers. In 1, 2, 3, The emperor waited patiently for Anakin skywalker to mature and used him to defeat the jedi order. In 4, 5, 6, Yoda and Kenobi relied on Luke Skywalker to defeat sith. The parallel is so obvious: In "phantom menance" and "a new hope", we are introduced to anakin and luke skywalker. Both with high sensitivity to force but cannot yet do much with it. In "empire strikes back" and "attack of the clones", we see Anakin and Luke skywalker as gifted force users but not yet complete in training. In "return of the jedi" and "revenge of the sith," we'll see both skywalkers completing their skills. So I really don't understand how Vader could be equal to dooku, or why you feel that Sidious is stronger than vader. Having had experience in martial arts(2nd degree black belt in shotokan), I can tell you that even if i was dead drunk standing right on the edge of a cliff, i'd probably be able to pull you down with me. And if I wasn't standing right on the edge, you'd probabably need a gun to force me down. It's never as easy as simply push the person down. You really need to be stronger than that person. This comment was edited by thewind on Dec 20 2004 05:47am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: The Prequel Jedi were overconfident and Arrogant so the "Force" made the darkside stronger. When Anakin kills all the Jedi and then Kills Palpatine the force goes back into balance and they equal out in power...the darkside can't cloud the force anymore like it could in Ep.2 Luke and his New Jedi Order arent arrogant and have a new respect for the Force....FYI I really dumped that down...Im too lazy to explain in detail...lol actually, that's a good point _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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