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M1ndFr3ak - Student  |
§ _______________ nuke it from orbit its the only way to be sure This post was edited by M1ndFr3ak on Jan 03 2005 03:07am. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Gotta disagree with ya on this one brother Bail Quote: We don't kick our members because they were off laming on someone else's server either. However If I led my own clan number one rule would be respect, on my own servers certainly but EVEN MORE so on other servers when you would be representing my clan. I would expect my clanmates to uphold total honour at all times (unless of course its a bad day, we all have bad days, chill out ask for forgiveness the next day and if all is fine no problem). I'd support them fully, ask to make sure their "punishment" (banning or whatever it may have been) was justified and if it was I would have no trouble what so ever removing them from the clan. "Where" they are being disrespectful and who they were disrespecting would not matter in the slightest. Quote: Following your example, the Online Community would have a pretty low regard to our Jedi Academy, as well. I'm not saying a clan is bad if it HAD disrespectful member. Only if after discovering that fact no measures are taken to deal with the problem. I would certainly think less of any clan that HAS disrespectul members. Do you really think that many JA members are disrespectful on other servers ? Thats vey sad  --Squibit of Belouve PS. Don't get me wrong, the academy should treat each member as an individual reguarless of clan. We are after all clan neutral ground. I'm just saying that personally I wouldn't feel the same about members of a clan that admits, well, idiots basicly  PPS. I'm not relating to this specific instance I have absolutly no idea what this is all about, I'm merely responding with my thoughts on bails reply about clans in general PPPS. I leave the JA for a few weeks and look what happens ! (Be back soon.... I hope! ) _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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<§yN>Agen_Terminator - Student 
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Yeah, I'd like to assure you they're actually quite good guys and at least 2 of the 3 are sorry... _______________ -Agen |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Hi MrScary. Im a JAT here as well and I assure you that the bans were warranted 100%. I was there for the incident. Things carried on for a while before action was taken against the three members of your clan. They were told to please go and read the rules and they were warned several times before action was taken. This incident does not in anyway effect other memners of your clan. For everyone here should be treated as an individual. If you do come across any trouble, screenshot it and condump it. Then send it to the admin.  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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No no man, you're not getting hammered, not intentionally at least. We appreciate the appolgy. However, the fact that it was made publically is the problem. When we ban people we do our best to keep it behind the curtain, if you know what I mean. That way it doesn't cause a commotion like it has. And nobody has to resign from the JA. Those who were banned were "automatically" resigned. Other than that, everything is peachy bro. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Jan 03 2005 01:56am. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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The SyN Clan don't really have anything to do with this. Three JA Members were caught breaking the rules and were banned for it. That's what happened. One in particular was sugnificantly more offensive than the other two, yet all three seemed to find it pretty funny. We have condumps, screenshots and the JAC have seen the Server Logs of the entire thing. All three bans had been warrented and will not be removed. Carry on. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Tido - Student 
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Quote: So, let's not hold the entire SyN clan responsible for this. Completely agreed, by the entire JAK+ I'm sure, and as I mentioned in my post. I think it would be rediculous to take admin action against a clan because of what a few of their members did. I really don't think this needs to be explained. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Actually, Tido, for people outside the JA it's VERY hard to understand why we actually have the memorial case in point: that guy from IRC (smithie I think) a few hours ago. I'm glad I wasn't there by myself I don't doubt that if you never knew him, and don't make an effort to know him, and if you never even heard of him, that place is just another room. For all they knew 'Vladarion' could be someone out of the books, who died and got a memorial, if you get my point. While I am certainly not defending their actions, (I too believe the action taken was just) I do advise you to not wave the same banner towards the entire clan. You cannot expect MrScary to throw them out of his clan simply because of something that happened on another server. We don't kick our members because they were off laming on someone else's server either. Following your example, the Online Community would have a pretty low regard to our Jedi Academy, as well. I'm pretty much overstepping my boundaries, but this is just how I feel about this. Again, I am not defending their actions. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Well, in the internet world at times it's every person for themselves. MrScary can't be held responsible for the actions of his clanmates. I'm sure that it wasn't his intention to allow such behavior like this happen. Sometimes, people that we know and trust just lose it and do things that they don't care if it's right or wrong. So, let's not hold the entire SyN clan responsible for this, and let's not lose respect for them either. The JA doesn't revolve around clans. It revolves around the respect of each member in it's community. We've had members of other clans banned for numerous reasons, yet we don't frown upon those clans, only those members. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Tido - Student 
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We do appreciate your apology, and you need not worry about undeserved admin action coming against your other members: we take action for what you do, not what your friends did. (And speaking of action, I was one of the admins present that night, I witnessed what all of them did, and completely agree with the JA's response). As for myself personally, I would be lying to you if I told you that my respect towards your clan was intact. I find it difficult to consider any group honorable that would harbor people willing to so blatently disrespect the memory of a good man. I mean no harm towards your clan, but please forgive me if I find your support of such members disapointing. If you feel the need to contact me, please e-mail me @ tidokenobi@gmail.com. -Tido This comment was edited by Tido on Jan 02 2005 09:23pm. |
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Kueller - Student 
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You know, pointing fingers and accusing ppl after a public apology really doesn't look that well and sincere mr Scary. Just pointing out of course, no harm intended _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Hardwired - Retired 
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I have no problem with a public apology. That is a very nice gesture to those involved. But any complaints or otherwise troubledealing issues should be handled in for of mailing the JAC or possibly getting in touch with a JAK+ on irc to bring the matter forward. A thread in the forums is not the way to go. Thanks - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Janus - Retired 
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Internet chat is a hard thing to interpret and any amount of words stated in a certain way can be mistaken for some other meaning. I've escalated the issue to the higher ups MrScary, and we should be able to resolve this properly without any more misunderstandings. Thanks again for pointing this out. Janus _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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No, other SyN members are not being punished for their actions. We don't look down on entire clans even after some of their members have been removed from the JA. We look at every person as that person, not representing a group. SyN will not have a bad reputation here, and others are more than welcome to join us. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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MrScary i am a JAT here at the academy, ive read the reports of the event that happend from both the JAK+ accounts and the server records. Firstly upon joinng the academy all members are instructed to read the rules, these rules or not there for your personal whim , these are to be obbeyed. All jedi knights and above are instructed to uphold thse rules to the best of their ability and are given pretty strict guidlines with how to react in situations. Now, without giving out too much information , Both of the above mentioned broke some major rules in the academy, #1 Being that of respect. respect for the memorial, respect of our students and respect of our JAK+ to which they were dealt with. From the reports i read both had been warned sufficiently and yet persisted with their actions. In my oppinion the JAK+ on duty at the time acted with both honour and a great deal of restraint considering the events on the server at the time. Both of the students recieved a sufficient punishment for breaking numerous rules regardless of prior warning. Like i said, the rules are here for a reasons, and they must be obeyed, fact is...if you dont like them, then leave. its as simple as that unfortunatly. Im sure if you would like to complain , contacting my self (smidge2260@hotmail.com) or the JA and we will be happy to look further into the issue. But i must request that you keep it civil within these forums. Thank you -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Janus - Retired
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MrScary, on behalf of the JAK+ I'd like to thank you for putting this up and for stating somethign regarding this situation. I can only recommend that you chat via IRC or through another chat medium directly to one of the JAT or JAC regarding those members to get the straight story. That way you get it straight from the source and not a pieces parts sort of thing. As for now, before this turns into a flaming thread, I request that if we could please take debating to another source of chatting (either IRC or MSN etc). Thanks again, ~Janus _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Sfire - Student 
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I believe the abusing powers was on all 3 of them from what I've heard. I've heard so many stories of what happend I don't even know anymore. And yes, he is talking about a JAK+. _______________ |Sfire - Padawan to MOTREC, Gradius| |Owner of Motrec's and Gradius's 999th Comments! Also Smily's 5001 comment and 3th's 1903 comment! Also, cannot forget to mention the proud owner of Gradius' 3000th comment!| |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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He blew up the memorial and got banned? Sounds fair to me ... It isn't just a place on a map, it's the place on a map. You obviously never heard of Vladarion, but if you did, you wouldn't be speaking like that. For mining the memorial, you deserve to be banned in my opinion. It's about behaviour, not about games. Quote: I do not agree that Malikith and Gene should have been banned. they did not do anything too warrant such an action. And this is not the way to solve such a problem. The correct thing to do would have been to contact the proper authorities and let them handle it. Public posts aren't quite handy for these kind of problems. Take it up with Buzz, the Enforcer, if you like, but don't use a profile message. Mail him. Oh and, do you mean a JK from the Academy, who misused his admin rights? If he was kicked for mining the memorial, it's his own fault, in my opinion. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jan 02 2005 05:23pm. |
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