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DJ Sith - Jedi Council  |
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/04/iraq.usa.shirt.reut/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/03/03/tshirt.suspension.ap/index.html These are the only examples I could find on such short notice of this country's war fervor and President worship going too far. What's wrong with expressing your opinions on political events? From what a know of the law (and I'm not a lawyer, so take all this with a grain of salt) your speech is protected, but your actions aren't. That's fine with me. So what's up with these facists jailing people for their opinion? Gah I can't even think straight now. Up yours John Ashcroft.Look what you and the President have turned this country into. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Jedi_Wing - Ex-Student 
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You people have made me draw a blank on this one?
Mainly cause the news is of no importance to me but hey right of speech good till you scream "bomb"or"fire"unless there is one.... _______________ http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=159 http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=1386 |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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That would only be right if that one guard were a general bufoon at his job or had other problems on his record. If not then follow the company rules he signed with. If he made a mistake fine, but he shouldnt be signaled out for what he did.
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yeah i know  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Buzz - Student 
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Just pointing out that even what is seen as an almost exclusively conservative republican gun-ho for war news channel thought that it was dumb. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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a mistake to arrest someone and bring them down-town cause of a shirt,oh yeah sure,thats a mistake... _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Buzz - Student
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Was watching Fox News and they had an update on the man in the mall. They thought it was wrong that he was arrested to start off with. The charges against him have been dropped. And the guard that caused the incident was fired. Now ask yourself this, if this is the only thing the guard did, just one mistake, does that warrant firing him? It wasn't right to arrest the man and its not right to fire the security guard either. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Trebizond - Ex-Student 
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I'm not sure that teens are particularly malevolent creatures (I do recall being one, all those four years ago :p) I just think that by the age of 15, everyone has had cynicism beaten into them by society.
Teenagers are particularly cruel, but as mentioned on another thread, evil is a complete lack of empathy with your common man. From where I'm standing, most people in this world have become mind-bogglingly apathetic consumers. Power to the people Treb _______________ "He asked us 'Be you angels?' and we said 'Nay! We are but Men!'" |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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That Voltaire quote hits the nail on the head. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Trebizond - Ex-Student
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Two pithy comments spring to mind about freedom of speech and the treatment of supposedly culpable 'minorities'
'However much I disagree with what you have to say, I will defend unto death your right to say it' Voltaire 'First they came for the handicapped, and I did nothing, for I was not handicapped. Then they came for the gypsies, and I did nothing, for I was not a gypsy. Then they came for the Jews, and I did nothing, for I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no-one left to do anything for me.' Pastor Niemueller. Is it just me, or has the academy started to reflect the sadness that seems to have overtaken the world? Remember, a single human being can be taken as a microcosm for the whole of humanity, and when a single human being is sad; something is wrong. Take it easy Treb _______________ "He asked us 'Be you angels?' and we said 'Nay! We are but Men!'" |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Well sirbiz, I'm sure you can find the same irreverance and disrespect in youth's across the world. I bet you have to look a little harder though. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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i just want to back fizz's recommendation to watch "Bowling for Columbine".
i just saw it and i agree, it's good. watch it! now! j/k
as for these two cases... the articles seem waaaaaayy too short. methinks they are not giving us all the facts. but if indeed that is all there is to say about those two incidents, then i think there shouldn't have been anyhting at all. arresting someone for a shirt seems stupid to me even if it has Heavy Metal lyrics printed on it.  _______________ make install -not war |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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do teens act better in differant countries? sure we american teens are ignorant, naive, selfish, cruel, (ok im gonna stop there), but how are people in diff countries? _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Plo Koon - Student
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yeah i too think that the guy in the mall shouldnt have been arrested for wearing a shirt that said "give peace a chance",but the kid in the school that drew that on his shirt is screwy to me. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Most people don't understand the difference between rights and priveliges. Or that with both, there are responsibilities that go along with it!
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I mean rights for everyone is a must, but most ppl are just too stupid.
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Buzz - Student
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Well you know there was a famous case of a Jewish lawyer of the ACLU defending a Nazi groups right to march in city somewhere because he believed so strongly in every ones rights. So yeah that stuff sucks. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Well, the guy in the mall story sounds skewed to me. I don't think the entire truth has been told there.
As for the kid going to school with something like that on, it's just sounds like another kid with a monumental lack of respect for himself and the world around him. Typical american kid it seems like. As for running around yelling Heil Hitler, you can be arrested for that under certain circumstances. Most of the time though, yer right, and it sucks. _______________ Death is only the beginning. This comment was edited by Kalheka on Mar 06 2003 01:05pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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hm
I dont get it. these things are restricted, but its legal to go out and yell "hail hitler" _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Buzz I agree that there should be certain restrictions for things like strip clubs and dance clubs and stuff because theres the potential for abuse there. If this news report is true, then this guy was just jailed for his political opinion. Now if it's the case that he was trying to force his beliefs onto others then sure take action against him, but not for just wearing the shirt.
This is the enviornment created by govt FUD campaigns. Alot of FUD lately..  _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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Well, it's nothing new. Look at the 50's-60's when everyone was afraid of Communism. Same fear, different thing to fear. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well, I can just all recommend watching "bowling for columbine" a great movie.
As the movie sais, the US keep building up a huge fear from everything. and _that_ scares me as well. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Buzz - Student
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Oh so there's a chance that the guy was there bugging people about his tree-hugging hippy views eh? If that's the truth in the story then its a little bit more understandable. Most malls wouldn't allow that to go on. Probably wouldn't surprise me either, most news programs are on the liberal side and would love to do something like that, and fox news is about 2 steps from being ultra conservative so the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of the "facts". _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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The guy in the mall I think was harrassing people as well, according to FoxNews. If he was, then OK, but if he was just sitting there wearing his shirt, that's ridiculous.
The other article didn't say whether his parents saw him walk out the door with the shirt on or not. That's not really the best shirt to be wearing though. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! This comment was edited by Battlin' Billy on Mar 05 2003 02:58pm. |
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Buzz - Student
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Well I think I agree with the suspension of the kid. Frankly his parents seem stupid for letting him do that. There's a point between common sense and stupidity. He should have made a shirt that said "not all arabs are terrorists" That shirt could definitely be taken two ways. The man arrested in the mall is just stupid. He does have the right to wear the shirt. The mall is a private place and they can enforce some type of dress code there. They're morons for doing it that way. I could understand a shirt promoting drug use or very lewd conduct but not a peace shirt. They can enforce a policy such as this though. My sister's fiance didn't go into a strip club once because he had a harley davidson shirt on. He would have had to either turn it inside out or buy one of the stupid shirts there. That is just an example that on private property you can enforce a dress code. They're still morons for doing it for a peace shirt. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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underhill - Student 
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WTF?! _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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