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Jake Kainite - Student  |
Wasn't sure whether this was for the JKII forum of the academy one. Made a final decision on this one as it seems appropriate.
Little Known Moves There are a lot of hidden moves in the game which most people wouldn't know unless they were taught by someone. Most of the normal moves are easy to find out about or do by accident. I grade pretty much all the moves in 4 lvls (I've made thisup on the spot so gimme a break if it swrong, but I thought it made me sound wise  )
Grade 1: Normal swings Grade 2: Specials, combos Grade 3: Double spins, Parachute, My reversal double spin (zero, acidic, blade_knight and fandango should know what this is)
Grade 4: Counters, triple spins (yes I'm as shocked as you, but it can be done) Thats all I can think of right now. I think that many of the grade 3 and 4 moves should be taught more in class, although from evidenve its clear that even some of the trainers don't know these. Some of them are just to look good with no real use (triple spins) but some are generally life savers which will enhance your gameplay, even if only slightly (counters, parachute). Just felt like making this post as its something that been on my mind almost since the game came out. There seems to be not enough structure (at least for me) to the moves, it all seems to be a bit too random. Once the moves are given merit, skill levels will be easier to destinguish, and a form of martial arts can be formed (its a lot of work and it sounds stupid, but it is very posible......deja vu from another thread ?) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side  |
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Silencio - Student 
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I've been thinking about doing something like this as well, so maybe I could be of assistance if this should happen. I think I know all there is to know about red stance at least. _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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http://www.neoseeker.com/Games/Products/PC/westwood_redalert2/westwood_redalert2_cheats.html
I would like to see something along those lines but with a place to add your own comments and opinions after reading it. Demos to go along with certain topics would be nice as well. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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MoS - Yeah, it is a lot of work for them. Which is why they shouldn't have to really worry about it except giving the go-ahead and reviewing. Info wouldn't have to be sent to reside on the server, people could just send it to me personally so I could roughly organize it, delegate responsibility, edit, rewrite, etc. The JA server would be used for the product itself and it's continual revisions. I appreciate your offer to help.
Jake- Definitely want to split the workload, if this goes. Don't worry about where to start. I've got a lot of experience in doing this type of thing. Get info, spread it out on the floor, group into categories, subcategories, etc. Kinda fun, actually. And we'll be learning a lot from a lot of people. About people reading it: they don't want to, no big deal. It's not being forced on anyone. I would just think that it'd be nice to document a lot of our stuff so people could "study" and do their own homework (:eek  if they wished.
I'm going to start a new thread and ask people to come over to this one and read what we're talking about. I'm not sure your thread heading says it all at this point in time. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Well, we could do something where people can submit tips to a certain area of the site.
That's a lot of work for DJ and Doobie. They do more than enough as it is. We could write it up and ask C1 to expand on the Academy script that has some info about special moves like that. I dunno. Whatever we do, I'd like to help out. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Yeah I'd be absolutely thrilled to set this thing going, and the more the merrier. Split the workload = less for each person, 2 heads are better than one, yadda yadda yadda.
The problem with these things that involve writing and research: 1/ This does take time and some people will get bored (I won't I love anything JKII related, specially the knowledge side) 2/ I am afflicted with arare illness which means I have no idea where to start. Any piece of coursework or assignment I do, I'm never sure what to do first. Once I'm started though, I'm going all the way till I've written everything I know about (which is wuite alot beleive you me ) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Just found this thread, Jake, and you have my brain smoking...
Hmmm.... You know, I actually would be interested in some sort of JA Bible (if you will) that documents various moves and keystrokes. It would have to included *when* moves are best used (as noted by others below). Kind of like a working, living text that is continually updated as people get the time to add their two sense. JAC/JAT/JAK's and other 1337's can have their knowledge disseminated to the wider JA public IN ADDITION TO, BUT NOT TO TAKE THE PLACE OF classes and online interaction/practice/random whuppings. I'd be more than happy to try and help compile/edit something like this. I don't have as much time to spend playing JK2 as some of you other guys, and thus can't expect to get to a 1337 level for a long time. So maybe I could contribute to the JA in this way. I've written a Masters thesis and several journal articles, so I'm used to organizing, writing, and compiling information of this sort. I'm thinking JAT's could provide their homework they send home with students, and others could briefly jot down their thoughts/ideas/moves etc. and send them to me for the JA Journal (or whatever we would call it). It wouldn't be something printed, but would be only available online to JA members (hidden until you logged in) divided into chapters etc. If there were things that only high-level players should really mess with, maybe you guys could lock those chapters for JK's (only) and up. Whatever you deem appropriate. I think there is a lot of potential with this idea. This could really help JA students get a more tangible grasp of our JA knowledge-base. This type of idea has been swirling around in my head too, and has only recently coalesced. So if I'm rambling (which I am) I'm sorry.
Jake, others, let me know what you think. If anyone else wanted to work on this thing with me, I'd be all for it. Help me collect information, write, edit. It could be like a permanent super-journal that stuff is added to on a regular basis. JA students can check in on it every so often to see "what's new," what has been most recently written/posted. Ok, I've gone on long enough. Maybe I'm full of s***, maybe not. Your turn. Go. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, to get back OnTopic again, I'd like too see some sort of "Students Knowledge Base" Maybe at a fixed time on a fixed day all Students interested could hop on the training server, or whatever server and show each other l33t stuff they know.
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Lol I knew it was only a matter of time before buzz had another go at me
I forgive you buzz. Its just I thought this post was a good idea, grading the moves and such, it jsut all seemed to make sense. If any of the JAT's want any help in teaching, or learning the moves themselves, just let me know. Mind of sin, the triple spin, hmmmmm, well next time I see you on a server I'd be more than happy to show you, or post on my profile what times your on etc. Teaching old stuff is good, but when new stuff is discovered its even more fun. One more point to buzz here, so the rest of you can stop reading....................................................................................................................................................Right buzzy baby, I can see you rpoint about it being JKII related and that they are all just moves. The thing is, alot of people consider these glitches and exploits in the game, along with things like throw pull, CTF suiciding, parachuting. I wanted to know if people respected these moves as legal, before I started saying "lets teach this its really kool". Thought it was better just to make a suggestion. I'll stop discovering new stuff now as you'll prolly just argue with me anyway Just kidding man, lighten up a bit. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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3 spin? In red? Need to show that too me. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Comment! 
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Buzz - Student 
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My point is he's got a valid idea here and shouldn't get upset that not as many people are commenting on it as he would like to see. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, quite frankly, I dont get ur point, Buzz. But nevertheless, I think there should be a massive moves-session set up on one of those servers. maybe we get the JATs to set up a class without a JAT actally that is usable as a huge knowledge-base from player to player.
what do you think ? _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Buzz - Student
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Jake don't start complaining about people not posting, it doesn't fit you and makes you look like someone else getting all upset about which posts people comment on. What you're talking about is actually JK2 related overall. The fact of teaching it is what makes it academy related so people are probably interested in it even if they don't post any comments. Its not really something you can comment on. Its "these things exist in the game, you can learn them or not." Not much room for opinions on them. And I believe there are trainers teaching counters and such. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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yeah, new moves cant be bad, anyway
w00t, I knew the move, but wasnt aware its called 'chute. thankx for the clarification. I use rDFA mostly to lure the enemy into a trap. a two-handed backswing or a backstab can have w00t effects, if placed and timed correctly. also, there is the easier possibility to lunge ur opponent while he tries to hit u and is open while he swings. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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OcarinaLink - Student 
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yeah, I'm definitely interested in learning them. If anyone's teaching, post me or something, cause I'm definitely interested. _______________ memento mori |
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YubYub - Student 
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I starte using the rdfa quite a lot recently and have found that, on the whole, it has increased my wins by a lot. I tend to use it with a jump over the opponent and land with an rdfa ready to go straight away. Doesn't always work but, hey, nothing does. |
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SS/ph00d - Student 
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Well Jake, first they are taught the moves, then they have to learn how and when and where to use them......... hmmmm
*2 hours later* hmmmmmm *another hour passes**IDEA* We can have some one teach the move one day right, then the next day they have another class to show where and when and all that other stuff to use the move. Well you don't want to use fancy moves in duels unless it doesn't leave you open for attack. -ShadowSith _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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i would like to learn those special moves so id like it if there would be a class that teaches them
La Magra,nightcrawler or eclipse how about it? |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Was hoping I'd get a few more comments on this  , please people, post your views!!! _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Jake Kainite - Student
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The 'parachute' is the msot useful application of the heavy DFA I've seen. Basically you jump off your object, can be as high as you want, bespin streets building, even top of Ns_streets, Red DFA JUST before you hit the ground, you will take no damage, at all !! Takes a while to get the timing down, but once you do, you'll realise how useful it is, and wonder how you got by without it
Red DFA in general, if you do it in a duel and your player is marginally skilled, you're gonna take quite a bit of damage, sometimes.....ok quite often people get flukey ones which people run into, and they win the duel straight away. This is a bit pointless though. Your ego and self confidence will be boosted a tiny bit but neither of you learnt anything. Thats why I h8 the duels which are over in a few secs of finish with one lucky speacial a few seconds into them. I'd rather lose and learn, than win and be ignorant _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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wow rDFA aint useless in duels.
I aint talk about an instant kill, but a DFA can be useful in certain situations. catch me on the servers and I will show ya. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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FaDed - Student 
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i find that there are more ways/uses for the rdfa than any other move. most of them are for show since rdfa is pretty much useless in duels. |
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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I teach counters in Nofrikin-Style: Part Two every Wednsday!
Other than that, I teach all the basic combo options. *Not the exploits.* There are Trainers out there lookin out for you guys! |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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such as ? care to expand a bit more. It's all for the benefit of others after all. If anyone wants any help with any of these, let me know. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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There are a number of exploitable glitches, such as the eternally spinning-saber-shield, and some tricks to getting a quick-DFA. None of these tricks, or exploits like this, are usable in duels, but there are some other legal things that will blow you guys away, even beyond triple spins. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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