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Master or Apprentice???
Mar 26 2005 08:33am

Monteeeeeee
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Ok 1 thing i didnt get in Phantom Menace is at the end when Mace Windu and Yoda are talking about Darth Maul, they dont know if he was the Apprentice or the Master, Do they really hold Obi Wan's Lightsaber skills in such high respect to think he could kill a master ?

Now i know in Episode 2 when he fights Dooku, Dooku says yoda holds you in such high regard im disappointed.

I just wondered thats all, i mean he was only Jedi Padawan in Episode 1.
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Mar 29 2005 01:02pm

Limana D'Kana
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He is a woman with a man mask! Nutsy people..
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Mar 28 2005 09:22pm

Tyrant
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Of course Maul is a male omg...

Mar 28 2005 06:14pm

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Obi got pwned, just Mauleh get cocky
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Mar 28 2005 05:37pm

Tyrant
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Obi Wan was pretty good for a Padawan :).

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Mar 28 2005 10:27am

Iceman - away-
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The Padawan was on her trial to knight. I never said that Maul was a female. And I know what a mind trick is. You have to read "Shadow Hunter" to understand more about Maul.

Mar 27 2005 10:19pm

Trooper!
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One Master and one Padawan on her trial to Knight. And Obi didn't use mind trick. He was focusing on Qui-Gon's lightsaber.


That's where the she comes from.
Obi Wan only glances at the saber, then stares into Maul's eyes, this is when the trick happens.
If Obi Wan only focused on the saber wouldn't Maul just kick it down the shaft like the other?
I would also like to add that the mind trick is more than just getting someone to repeat what you say. It is a multi-faceted power with many layers generaly intended to control the subject's perception of the situation. In ANH when Obi Wan is disabling the tractor beam, he points to a place on the other side of the stormtroopers and they think they hear something at this time he becomes invisible to them and walks right by!
BTW you crack me up Limana!:)
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Mar 27 2005 09:50pm

Limana D'Kana
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Err.... JAR-JAR BINKS and EWOKS RULES
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Mar 27 2005 09:07pm

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That's an interesting point you bring up Monteeee. I don't think Lucas (or whoever wrote the script) thought about the idea of a Padawan beating a Sith Master being irrational. So when he had Windu and Yoda discussing it, all they really meant was which of the two were killed, Padawan or Master. Not sure that it was meant to go any deaper than that really. However, it is possible to a Padawan to beat a Sith Master under the right circumstances I'm sure. Like, while he's busy fighting a Jedi Master, the Padawan could just run up and stab him in the back or something. Who knows.
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Mar 27 2005 04:14pm

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Who said that he was a female?

Mar 27 2005 03:56pm

Jeramia Adept
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Maul is a male btw
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Mar 27 2005 03:47pm

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Maul had killed 2 Jedi before. One Master and one Padawan on her trial to Knight. And Obi didn't use mind trick. He was focusing on Qui-Gon's lightsaber.

Mar 27 2005 07:47am

Vasper Ba'xian
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Yeah I agree. Unlike the Sith, A Jedi Knight/Master and his Padawan have a continous teacher/student relationship. They spend years together in constant training, hardly ever apart.
Sidious also being Palpatine I'm sure he couldn't dedicate much time at all to Maul.
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Mar 26 2005 11:00pm

Jeramia Adept
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there were more sith lords with a weak ability in lightsabers, its half-in half really, but there were ALOT of sith lords that were ignorant and stupid. then came the Sith Rule of Two, Master and Apprentice. since there is only two sith lords, they can now concintrate on powering themeselves. Darth Maul was quite young when he faced Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-gon Jinn. so he was very new with his skill.
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also Vader never kiled Obi Wan, The great jedi master distracted the Dark Lord of The Sith by becoming one with the force. ;)
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This comment was edited by Jeramia Adept on Mar 26 2005 11:02pm.

Mar 26 2005 09:38pm

Trooper!
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Good point Vasper. Even though Obi Wan had not faced the trials he knew everthing he needed to be a knight. Also I noticed that Maul was very weak in his knowledge of the force despite his skills with the staff. The whole time he only used force push. Imagine his surprise when his enemy dissapeared before his eyes. And as there were only two Sith that we know of his teaching could not have been very complete.
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Mar 26 2005 08:42pm

Vasper Ba'xian
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Actually Yoda has fought a Sith B4. When he was about 150 years old he and about 15 other Jedi found and Batle a Sith Lord on Courasant.

As mfor believing that Obi-Wan could take a sith master, I don't know. He is a Jedi and they know he is nearing his Knighthood. I'm sure not ALL Sith Masters are "OMGF! SKILLED" with a lightsaber.
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This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Mar 26 2005 08:43pm.

Mar 26 2005 08:17pm

Trooper!
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Watch it again and notice just before Obi Wan jumps, he focuses his attention to maul and the
look of confusion is the key, Maul never even lights his saber. How could Maul be surprized
when Obi Wan hasn't done anything yet (besides the trick of course).
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This comment was edited by Trooper! on Mar 26 2005 08:19pm.

Mar 26 2005 07:35pm

SaZ
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mindtrick?
where? maul was just surprised or
was just too deep in his anger
so obis move was unpredictable in that shadowed mind...
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Mar 26 2005 07:25pm

Trooper!
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To beat Maul I noticed Obi Wan used,
mind trick/pull/jump simultaniously.
Quite a feat for a padawn, proving to me that
he could defeat a Sith even if Maul was only an aprentice.
Obi Wan Kenobi, the greatest Jedi ever!
(Or maybe just my personal favorite):D
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Mar 26 2005 05:35pm

Ashyr
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Well, the Sith had been extinct for over a millennium, and I don't think either Mace or Yoda were alive at that time, so I don't think they knew how powerful a Sith really was. They were just a shadow to them.

As to what Flash said:
It was a 2v2 battle as far as blades were concerned. ;)
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Mar 26 2005 04:53pm

Flash
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Obi-Wan doesn't lose to Vader. He lets Vader kill him.

As to being powerful enough to kill a Sith Master...the Council might think it was possible because he was aided by his Master, and they had a 2v1 advantage over Darth Maul.

Mar 26 2005 12:27pm

SaZ
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well you know the thingie "hope for the best" :D
i think something like that was in councils heads.
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Mar 26 2005 11:50am

Monteeeeeee
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your all missing the point, Mace and Yoda cant tell wether Darth Maul was the Apprentice or the Master, but what i was trying to say is do the council really think Obi Wan could of taken out a Sith Master?
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Mar 26 2005 08:42am

Ashyr
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Well, a few things:
1. When Dooku said that, he was just taunting him to make him angry and make a mistake.

2. Dooku was a well trained Jedi Master before turning to the dark side.

3. Obi Wan isn't fit to battle a Sith. He looses to Dooku, he looses to Vader, and the only one he wins to is Darth Maul. The only reason he killed Darth Maul was because he caught him off guard. Maul was kicking his arse otherwise. Every time I watch that scene I'm like: "OMG LAMED! ADMIN! HE WAS CHATTING!":D
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Mar 26 2005 08:39am

SaZ
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killing a sith is not an easy task you know :)
remember jk3 scenes where you are promoted to jedi apprentice , jedi knight etc.
looks a bit same for me...
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