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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student  |
Ok, seriously who really plays these games? What is so fun about a game in real-time, where you character ages, and over time you can gain skills, and become stonger/smarter/hairier (note: if there is an MMORPG, where one of the skills you can get is "grow back hair" I take everything back, and want to sign up) The other day I went over to a friends house, to drop off some movies I had borrowed, and he was playing FF 999999 (sry lost count a long time ago) but no matter the online one. He was trying to show me how cool it was, so he started a fight with some monster in the woods, and he doesn't even really control his character during the fight!!!!!!!!! WTF kind of game is this? He then told me most MMORPGs are like this........ Lets take a side step for the moment and compare this to either Jedi Outcast or Academy (either way doesn matter) It appears to me, you entire skill in FF is based on the amount of time you are willing to put into the game, thats retarded. Yes, I guess if you have tons of time on your hands and the gaming abilities of a blind/deaf/dumb pawless poodle, this is great since you can sit there and get better. In JA, it might take me sometime to build up skills, but thats expected with every game, but can't just sit in front of the computer all day, eating pizza, and drinking mountain dew, and watch my experience points grow. Also what is great about the time in a game being real-time? He tells me, oh I spent all my money on this sweet crystal for my sword, or I would take a ship to some other town and show you this? Me: can't you just walk? Him: Uh no that would take like hours ro days? At that point it took everything I had to stop myself from taking his cable modem and bashing it over his head. What ever happened to a great video game, where you can sit down, blow shit up for 15 minutes while you wait for you friends to come over, and then turn it off and go outside and do something. Oh Im just going to through this in there as a side note; if you play sports games, please feel free to punch yourself in the face, instead of replying to this post; if I ever come house and see my child playing a sports based video game, I am going to tie him to the basket ball hoop, by his underwear, and leave him there until he understands why I did that. Or until those social services people pull up and start tell me, that is cruel and unsual punishment. Fascists. Or so I totally went off on a tanget and didn't even get my point across, but it's fairly simple: MMORPGs are retarded. Please, feel free to show any redeeming qualities held by MMORPGs? (assuming there are any) _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Yeah, the huge maps are a big draw. I'm not sure if you're "not a great MMO player" just because you enjoy exploring the environment more than grinding for skills. It's about role-playing, not leveling up, and exploration is a big part of adventure. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Muad'dib - Student 
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First of all I'd to say that the enormity of the worlds is a big draw for me to MMOs. Think about maps in games. You run can run into some pretty big maps. Like HL2 now supports some outright gigantic maps for it's game. And think about all the time and energy and focus it takes to create just a simple 2 block area or the like. Now imagine creating a planet. I think that's pretty impressive, personally. Even though there's a lot less exact detail to most of it than you would find in the FPS maps, the size of the product is as impressive, if not more so than any FPS map. I play SWG. I like it. I have a free lifetime subscription to EQ2 as well and I've played with that some. But I don't think I'm a great MMO player because more often than not I find myself going "oooh! Shiny!" and running off to see what's beyond the next hill than I am grinding away for my next skills. (The grinding is what I hate about MMOs  When they can solve that, they'll have perfected the formula.) Anyway I think the amount of work and effort involved in the creation of persistant worlds is downright awesome. *shrug* But that's just me. Also I read a statistic somewhere that essentially claimed that approx. half of the money made by the gaming industry in 2004 was from MMOs. I think the number was around 2 Billion dollars or so. Anyway I just thought I'd throw that out there for what it's worth. One more thing: Yeah the Horrifying Surgery Channel is ghastly.  _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! |
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I'm just personally upset with all of the name calling and such. Sad that people will come online and bash people, religions, etc. and for what? What do people really gain for doing this? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. 
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Fate - Student 
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/me applaudes Javaguy and Posokhov for their excellent posts. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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I spent $100 (a big investment for me  ) on a 160GB hard drive. I have installed 2 RTS games, 4 different FPS engines (a couple different games on each), 3 emulators, and a few games that don't really fit in any categories. I play whatever I feel like at any given time. If I feel like blowing stuff up for 15 minutes, I load up Counter-Strike and play Iceworld. If I have some time and feel like thinking, I pop FF7, FF8, or FF9 into ePSXe and play it for an hour or two. If it's somewhere in between, it's a few duels or a couple levels of Lego Star Wars, or a skirmish in Goldeneye or Perfect Dark. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Quote: Hmm...personally I think ANYONE who would spend another $15.00-30 a month to simply play a game is either a loner or someone in critical need of a life. I'm not aware of any MMORPGs that cost more than $15 a month. Most run between $9 and $15 a month. Some people think anybody who would pay thirty bucks just to buy a computer game is a loser. So, $15 a month. That's about fifty cents a day. There are "casual" players, but most are "serious" players who play a couple hours a night. Do you have cable TV or satellite? More than $15 a month I guarantee. I have DirecTV, which is a pretty penny every month, and I myself hardly ever watch television--maybe an hour a month of TV at the most, but by God when I do want to veg out for an hour in front of the TV, I want a bazillion channels to choose from. (My wife loves to watch the Horrifying Surgery Channel or whatever that's called, so it's worth the money). My general point is this: People pay money for entertainment, and the vast majority of people pay a lot more money for a lot less entertainment than MMORPG players get. I used to go to the bar almost every night, and while that's great fun it is more than fifty cents a day. For the average MMORPG player, the game is what he does instead of going to the bar. I once read a forum discussion about how MMORPGs affected people's marriages, and a whole bunch of men responded that it's great because it keeps them out of the bars and home at night. Do you drink soda? How many a week? At what cost? Cable TV? Dish network? How much do you spend a month on CDs? I seriously doubt that anybody reading this spends less than $15 a month on entertainment, and most probably more. MMORPG players typically spend just that and are safe at home every night where their wives want them. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Quote: Edit: One more thing: DOWN WITH FEES! I think it is so friggen stupid that you have to pay 10$ plus a month to play a game you already went out to the store and blew 50$+ on to own. Don't these game companies make enough off this already? Who cares if they have to pay the guys to run the servers? You need one guy to sit in a room with 20 computer s or so and make sure none of them crash or explode, it shouldn't take 15$ a month from 13098175120521897140 people to pay said guy. The only people that charge fees that i'll give credit to are xbox live because you pay a once a year fee of 50$ (the equivalent of one new game) and you get to play all games you want, as much as you want and never have to worry about charges again until next year. The rest of the guys charging roughly 180$ a year to play one game are some kinda friggen greedy if you ask me. These guys should be shot IMO... that's about all i have to say now <.< >.> There are fees because MMORPGs take a lot more money to fund than a game connection service such as XBox live. Most of the following statistics are taken straight from the "Developing Online Games" book. The development cost for SWG was $10 million. Let's assume, for sake of discussion, that there is an MMORPG called "Soandso", and we'll assume it also took $10,000,000 for development. It will cost $13 a month to play, and the box version will come with a 30-day trial. The box version will bring in $15 per retail unit, as per the industry average calculation figure. Soandso is released, with 125,000 sales the first day (and this will be a finite number for the rest of the year). The developers of Soandso brought in $1,875,000 from the retail units. Current running profit: -$8,125,000. 125,000 players * $13 per month = $1,625,000 per month. That means it should take 5 months to get the profit above the red, right? For three months, estimated costs to keep a game of this size up and running are $2,077,500. A company is considered lucky if they see 90% of the potential billables. This is because of credit card transaction fees, database errors, expired cards, outright fraud, and players on their free trial period. Soandso will be lucky, 90% it is. Loss of: $162,500. Post-deduction revenue: $1,462,500. So, after the first three months (because of the 30-day trial, the first month will bring in no money), Soandso brings in $2,925,000, then after subtracting the three-month upkeep costs of $2,077,500, $847,500. After three months: -$7,277,500. The next nine months will bring in $13,162,500 from monthly billables, with upkeep fees at $6,232,500. This gives us $6,930,000 for the next nine months. After a year: -$347,500. So, as you see, after a year, Soandso hasn't even broken even yet. It's bringing in well over 50% revenue, too. This is why MMORPGs require fees. They cost much more to develop and maintain than JK:JA or games where you can host a server. And Ekim, I know lots of people in real life who play MMOs, they are every bit as social as people who don't play MMOs. So the moral of the closing paragraph is: Don't stereotype people, else you'll always be wrong. This comment was edited by Ex-Rauc on Apr 18 2005 10:01pm. |
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Quote: Listen to me. If something makes you have fun,it can only help in life. There are enough bad things in life. If it doesnt make you happy, then it cant help so dont play it. So why put people down who do have fun with it because they dont make you happy? Why does almost everyone, always have to put down others if it doesnt make them happy, Only reason I can think of is your jealous people are having fun with something you cant, even though youll deny it. Couldnt have said it any better man  |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Listen to me. If something makes you have fun,it can only help in life. There are enough bad things in life. If it doesnt make you happy, then it cant help so dont play it. So why put people down who do have fun with it because they dont make you happy? Why does almost everyone, always have to put down others if it doesnt make them happy, Only reason I can think of is your jealous people are having fun with something you cant, even though youll deny it. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Tallepyon - Student
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Quote:Hmm...personally I think ANYONE who would spend another $15.00-30 a month to simply play a game is either a loner or someone in critical need of a life. Oh thanks insult a whole bunch of people. Including ranked members. |
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Hmm...personally I think ANYONE who would spend another $15.00-30 a month to simply play a game is either a loner or someone in critical need of a life. Thats just my opinion on it. Some people just like that sort of game I guess. Early part of 2004 I was really into Diablo2LOD. Spent a fair amount of time and energy playing that game but I've grown out of it and im almost grown out of Jedi to be honest. I guess people just move on. _______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. This comment was edited by . on Apr 18 2005 10:35am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Quote: One more thing: DOWN WITH FEES! I think it is so friggen stupid that you have to pay 10$ plus a month to play a game you already went out to the store and blew 50$+ on to own. Don't these game companies make enough off this already? Who cares if they have to pay the guys to run the servers? You need one guy to sit in a room with 20 computer s or so and make sure none of them crash or explode, it shouldn't take 15$ a month from 13098175120521897140 people to pay said guy. I disagree for a few reasons. Firstly, it takes a lot more than one guy in a room with 20 computers. WoW, for example...well, I don't think any other MMO has ever had so many people, but look at the Realms list. That's quite a lot of Realms. Plus, I'm not an expert, but I believe that a "Realm" is not simply a server, but a cluster of server computers--I think there's a server for Ironforge, a server for Stormwind, and so on, a server for each area of the map, hence the horrible lag in some areas but no lag in others in the same Realm. And GMs do a lot more than just keep the servers running. Secondly, the monthly fee funds the continual creation of new content. I know people criticized SWG because it was really completely unfinished when it was released, so people were paying to play a beta and were really funding the developers to finish a game that should have been finished before release. But others, like WoW, really are release-worthy, and the patch downloads actually add new content, like new dungeons and stuff. The fee I'd like to see them get rid of is the fee to buy the game at the store. Vendetta Online has the right model: The program itself is a free download, and you pay a monthly fee to play it. VO actually gives you an 8-hour free trial, but even if they didn't, it's only nine bucks a month. If you try it for a month and don't like it, you're out nine bucks. If you love it, you'll play for a year or two. Instead of demanding a big investment before you even know if the game is any good, it stands or falls on its own merits. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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There are a few good MMO games. One i particularly liked was Earth and Beyond because it felt more action-ey and skill based than any other rpg i had played. This was espcecially so considering you actually got to control your ship so you could dodge, direct your shields, and fire with the different weapons you had fixed on. Sadly, the earth and beyond servers were shut down recently for good to allow EA to work on some new stuff. I agree that the battle system in most rpgs, whether they be MMO or not is a bit boring. It takes patience to sit there and level up forever just to be able to kill the next boss. Some people enjoy it, but it gets monotonous very quickly in my opinion. I'd like to see more MMOAGs where you have basically the fighting system of JA or any other cool action game, but you get to fight against other people in a huge online environment. Mabey rpg makers will take some hints soon and get a less monotonous system going to make their mmorpgs a bit more entertaining for us action people, but i'm not getting my hopes up . Edit: One more thing: DOWN WITH FEES! I think it is so friggen stupid that you have to pay 10$ plus a month to play a game you already went out to the store and blew 50$+ on to own. Don't these game companies make enough off this already? Who cares if they have to pay the guys to run the servers? You need one guy to sit in a room with 20 computer s or so and make sure none of them crash or explode, it shouldn't take 15$ a month from 13098175120521897140 people to pay said guy. The only people that charge fees that i'll give credit to are xbox live because you pay a once a year fee of 50$ (the equivalent of one new game) and you get to play all games you want, as much as you want and never have to worry about charges again until next year. The rest of the guys charging roughly 180$ a year to play one game are some kinda friggen greedy if you ask me. These guys should be shot IMO... that's about all i have to say now <.< >.> _______________ Signed by me :/ This comment was edited by BlackPlague on Apr 17 2005 10:28pm. |
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I went to a friends house last night and played WoW, seeing as it was all he has been talking about for the past week. It was lame. Especially the beginning, you're fighting all these little guys and you have to kill so many of them. I watched my friend play, and he had to kill a certain amount of guys. This seems to me like your quests are usually: Kill ## amount of these guys, scout place X, give x to character y. I played it for about 3 hours (I was tired, so I couldnt think to ask myself what the hell I was doing playing this). I died about 20 times. There is no penalty for death, that is so lame. You just run back to your corpse (which sometimes, you dont even have to be near to resurrect, ex. i was in a mine, and I went to the ground above the mine where I was dead, and resurrected above the mine, away from all the creatures who would have killed me from me resurrecting in the mine). And it never ends. There is no point to the game. It seems immensely repetitive. Do this quest, level up, do the quest that you were too low of a level to do before. Lather, rinse, repeat. Occasionaly, a guy from the other side of the immensely cliche story of two warring factions will come onto your territory and get owned, seeing as hes on YOUR territory and theres more allies than there are him. Not to mention the worst thing, you're paying $15 dollars a month to play this crap. _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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The cool thing about MMORPG (I play World of Warcraft myself) is that it never ends. You can keep playing it endlessly and still be interested in the game. Let's say one play's videogames quite often. Meaning, he or she, will have to buy a game every month or so. Thats 50 euro each month. Then I would rather buy a MMORPG, for 50 euro once, and then pay 10 euro a month to be able to play it. Saves me 40 euro's each month. About the 'not controlling your character in a fight'. I only have 1 answer to that, try to see if someone you know play's World of Warcraft. If so, go pay him a visit when he's questing or raiding. Its non-stop action and you controll your character yourself. The sec you go raiding/fighting in World of Warcraft, it looks more like a 1st person shooter then an RPG _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: This was an April's Fool? *watches the tumbleweed pass by, with sporadic coughs by JA members in the background* pwnt i wont even respond to the last set of posts you made, since they clearly show to any reader that i am right and that you are ignorant. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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This was an April's Fool? *watches the tumbleweed pass by, with sporadic coughs by JA members in the background* |
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On another note, it really just depends on what you want to do, MMORPG are brilliant for ROLE PLAYING the character, take Bounty Hunter in SWG, u can role play that like crazy, u can throw yourself in to another world away from all the crap that happened during the day. Sure u can play JK3 and im sure alot of people do, but just because some people like to play MMORPG's such as WoW, City Of Heroes, Eve online, SWG, MXO, or even ultima online it doesnt make them any less skilful on a game than say Virtue is with a saber on JK3. Its all about the time you put in to a game. As for the fighting i tend to think it has to be click your move and wait, its a stratagy but if u had a hack and slash with 8000 people on a server its a bit different to JK3 with a max of 16 people on a server. Like Thomas said SWG takes alot of time and skill to become a great PVP player, im master swords, tera kasi master and master medic but i still get my ass kicked in PVP simply because i havent learnt myself how to become a PVPer yet, i will eventually when im Jedi Knight learn to become a PVPer. So really games are measured by the "Things" that set them apart from other games, JK3 was no improvement on JK2 so i dont like it, MMORPG's offer something more indepth than 12 single player missions and a deathmatch multiplayer. Another thing, the subscriptions. I dont see why people moan about them its like $14 a month for most games, hell thats less than a can of soda a DAY, but people say I DONT SEE WHY I SHOULD HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY A GAME. ok heres the reality. MMORPG require Customer Support 24/7 and a team working on updates and new things to add in future months ( EXPANSIONS ) so you pay to EXTEND your gaming experience. I know this will all be in a quote soon with Whatever..... underneath it but the truth is, if u wanna play a MMORPG dont let this Thread put you off, try it for yourself, i never let myself be talked out of trying things without at least seeing them for myself. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Quote: oh yeah so the reason I posted this: check the post date If you was implying it was a aprils fools, the time says 7.21pm. April fools only runs till midday, so i guess your the fool....... _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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JavaGuy - Student
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I'm not sure I understand this thread any more. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Quote: Quote: What is so fun about a game in real-time, where you character ages, and over time you can gain skills, and become stonger/smarter/hairier whats so fun about managing a virtual family/theme park/aquarium? whats so fun about pretending to be a soldier, killing people and mutilating the bodies? ITS A ROLE PLAYING GAME. The GAME part should be an indication. How is it different to say, diablo 2, which a LOT of people enjoyed? thats multiplayer as well. this is just a persistant world with more options to play with friends. Yeah, whatever Quote: Quote: and he was playing FF 999999 (sry lost count a long time ago) you cant keep count as far as 11, which is what the MMORPG one is? Yeah after 10 I run out fingers, what do you expect? Quote: Quote: It appears to me, you entire skill in FF is based on the amount of time you are willing to put into the game, thats retarded. Yes, I guess if you have tons of time on your hands and the gaming abilities of a blind/deaf/dumb pawless poodle, this is great since you can sit there and get better. another classic display of ignorance and bigotry. the strength of your character in the game depends on YOUR SKILL in designing it and how you play it. how is it different to say, civilisation, starcraft or final fantasy? you dont do the fighting in any of them? turn based, like on a d20 system actually requires MORE forward planning and mistakes show up a lot more late game, no going back. ALL of RTS and TBS games are a collection of mathematical formula with regard to unit combat, its up to you AS A SKILLFUL PLAYER to use them in such as way that is effective against opponants. Yeah, ill put this here, see how many people miss it. Im a Level 5 Dark Elf in WoW, Im actually a really big RPG fan, I don't have as much time to play as I would like, but this is really fun game. Yeah, so if your wondering why I posted this then, I was going to say sooner, but I thought I would be fun to see how long this thread went, besides, I was getting a kick out of being called an "ignorant biggot" oh yeah so the reason I posted this: check the post date So yeah, to summerize, I like RPGs and MMORPGS and just about everything I stated on this thread about not liking stuff was a joke, except for sports games, god I find those so boring Quote: Quote: In JA, it might take me sometime to build up skills, but thats expected with every game, but can't just sit in front of the computer all day, eating pizza, and drinking mountain dew, and watch my experience points grow. correct, skill is needed in EVERY GAME. you dont just sit and watch a screen with XP growing. this may surprise you, but you actually INTERACT with your on screen avatar to make it do actions. and i believe it is possible to eat food and drink beverages during ALL games. NO absolutely ZERO skill is required, to play MMORPGs, I bet as a level 5 character, I could beat anyone up to level 20. Quote: Quote: Also what is great about the time in a game being real-time? do you actually understand what role playing is? Isn't is just like playing dress-up or tea party? Quote: Quote: At that point it took everything I had to stop myself from taking his cable modem and bashing it over his head. and you were planning on accomplishing this over the internet? or tracking down where the guy lived and assaulting him? No actually he was in the same room as me, and I was over his house the other day, I did do this cable modems are surpirsingly strong, it took like a sole 12 hits on his head to break. Quote: Quote: What ever happened to a great video game, where you can sit down, blow shit up for 15 minutes while you wait for you friends to come over, and then turn it off and go outside and do something. 1) watch the language, children read these forums. and 2) why cant you do that in an MMORPG? it IS possible if you want to. i could explain simply. turn pc on. start game while waiting for friends. friends arrive. stop game. how is it different to any other game? Cause MMORPGs suck, we have already went over that everyone agrees with me but you..... Quote: Quote: Oh Im just going to through this in there as a side note; if you play sports games, please feel free to punch yourself in the face, instead of replying to this post; if I ever come house and see my child playing a sports based video game, I am going to tie him to the basket ball hoop, by his underwear, and leave him there until he understands why I did that. you do realise not everyone is good at sports? some people ENJOY playing virtual sports, thats the entire purpose of a game. thats enough reason to have them. If your not good at something the 1st time you try it, just stop, you'll probably never get any better just face it, me I rule at everything. Quote: and if by some miracle you do procreate in sincerely hope you arnt premediating child abuse. What do mean if by some miracle? I have 12 kids I make all of them work at McDonalds and pay for my video game habit, pfft stupid McDonalds manager trying to tell me he can't hire 5 year olds. Quote: Quote: Or until those social services people pull up and start tell me, that is cruel and unsual punishment. Fascists. so....being against child abuse is now political AND wrong. define facist. without looking it up. dont use ignorance irrelevent comparisons to 'justify' your opinions. Yes, if you don't beat your children daily how will know what is right and what is wrong? Quote: Quote: Or so I totally went off on a tanget and didn't even get my point across, but it's fairly simple: you had a logical point? or was this a collection of ignorant complaints about a genre of game youve likely never explored? Not that it matters I'm still always right Quote: Quote: MMORPGs are retarded. thank you so much for enlightening everyone here. your wisdom is amazing. Your welcome, glad to see your finally showing me the respect I deserve. Quote: Quote: Please, feel free to show any redeeming qualities eld by MMORPGs? (assuming there are any) theyre fun. rant over Yeah, I definetely am the one who gets to say when its over, you can try to think otherwise. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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I do! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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solitude - Jedi Council
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JavaGuy - Student
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Quote: This thread is great. Some people like sushi, some people like steak, some people like both. They are both food and both quite edible, yet I seldom see people arguing which is best. Sush > Steak! :p _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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