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KNIGHTS OF THE FORCE MOD
Apr 14 2005 06:49pm

Precision
 - Student
Precision
yo guyz, was reading good old PC GAMER (uk) last week and saw a link to a JK:JA mod, thought "hmmm should chek that out", man was that a good idea, found possibly the coolest mod ever, not quite realeased yet, but will be out within a month or so. It is basically maps, skins, sabers and vehicles, all wrapped up into a timelined mod of all the coolest duels and fight scenes from EP's I, II, IV, V and VI, including the Darth Maul v Obi fight, the Obi v Jango, Yoda v Dooku, Obi v Vader, Luke v Vader :::PSPOILER:P:: "I am your father" scene, and also the Throne Room duel. If that isn't making u think "COOL!!!" then u are no star wars fan, and should be expelled from the academy... jus jokin, but u should be ashamed of urself at least. Chek it out http://www.kotf.com/eng.htm

N.B. Writing that list of duels out made me realise how many awesome fights obi wan has been in, what a legendary character!
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Jul 14 2007 02:24am

tarpman
 - The Tarped Avenger
 tarpman

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Hasn't the Q3 source been released, though?

Yes, but Raven's modifications to it, as well as their single-player game code (which is significantly different from the multiplayer code) have not.
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Jul 11 2007 12:02pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

I'm still not sure though as the SWGEmu people are reverse-engineering the Star Wars Galaxies code apparently legally.

What's certain though is getting money for a mod (especially a fake one) is illegal.
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Jul 11 2007 03:09am

planK
 - Jedi Council
 planK

Hasn't the Q3 source been released, though?

Jul 10 2007 11:48pm

Buzz
 - Student
 Buzz

Quote:
I don't think the altering of the JK3 Source code is quite as illegal as some would assume. What's worse is that not only has he profited from a mod, he's mislead the community into donating which could count as fraud.


Actually I believe that since the single player source code was never released, the method required to get it and then alter it would violate the EULA that was agreed to when installing the game on your computer. So this would be illegal.
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Jul 10 2007 07:04pm

thedestroyer
 - Student
 thedestroyer

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What's worse is that not only has he profited from a mod, he's mislead the community into donating which could count as fraud.


Aha, the truth revealed. That right there breaks the terms and condidtions of Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy that have been set by Lucasarts. It IS legal to make a mod, but if you make money from it, it becomes illegal and you WILL (if found, someone contact lucasarts) be prossecuted (probably) or something for breaking hte terms.

Jul 09 2007 10:14pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

I don't think the altering of the JK3 Source code is quite as illegal as some would assume. What's worse is that not only has he profited from a mod, he's mislead the community into donating which could count as fraud.
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Jul 08 2007 11:35pm

[Jawa][Obi-Wan][SW]
 - Student
 [Jawa][Obi-Wan][SW]

I have been hearing now that this guy is gonna be arrested if he releases this mod now, because he Altered the Code for JKJA, Idk what this means, but i do believe taht this game looks sick, and i hope it comes out, and i want to play it so much LOL, any thoughts about the code altering, or if u guys have heard otherwise, i would like to know, because the guy isnt posting anythng about the delay anymore on his site LOL idk what is up
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Jul 02 2007 04:16am

thedestroyer
 - Student
 thedestroyer

hmmm it seems to me most of us agree this guy is a regular Hitler. A cool mod, not-so-cool social skills. I actually tried the mod and its cool, yet limited. Some1 go post something negative and see if it survives. It seems I just thought up a workable hairbrained idea Hardwired.;) If its deleted this guy has isues. If not, he doesn't from what we see. also, he could have a network of himself praise.

Jul 01 2007 10:59pm

Buzz
 - Student
 Buzz

like I said, I wouldn't be the least surprised to see a brand new news post with 20 comments already approved, with no possibility of those comments being legit.
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Jul 01 2007 12:01pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

Their whole forum/comment system is moderated to the extent that expressing any doubt over the mods existence will have you banned.
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Jul 01 2007 11:14am

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

Quote:
also, has anyone ever actually seen the comments update to have more than when they first went to check it out? I'd love to go there and refresh to see a brand new post, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if in the 3 seconds it took to post 30 people left comments and they were all magically approved.


well thats what i thought as well.
when kotf is delayed for so long you cant expect 100% positive comments. its obvious that those 30 comments are just part of his ordinary news post about delayed release.
its actually even more likely than him deleting the negative ones.

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Jul 01 2007 02:28am

Buzz
 - Student
 Buzz

also, has anyone ever actually seen the comments update to have more than when they first went to check it out? I'd love to go there and refresh to see a brand new post, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if in the 3 seconds it took to post 30 people left comments and they were all magically approved.
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When you are going through Hell, keep going.
-Sir Winston Churchill.

Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it.


Jun 30 2007 03:43pm

R2D2
 - Staff
 R2D2

Couldn't he just upload it on his website? Guess it would take up a lot of space though, hmm
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Jun 30 2007 02:22pm

Buzz
 - Student
 Buzz

I also notice that his last news post is for june 30th. Yet some of the comments to it are posted june 29th
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When you are going through Hell, keep going.
-Sir Winston Churchill.

Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it.


Jun 30 2007 01:15pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

Quote:
Because of a family matter i had to be out of the city urgently, and that is why all my plans went wrong. my family matters the most. thanks for your understanding and patience. i wil restart the upload within a few days.i am currently busy with a family matter.


im laughing in RL atm.
right when he is about to release it... some kind of matter prevents him from doing it.

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Jun 30 2007 05:25am

Buzz
 - Student
 Buzz

Yeah this thing is so phony its a joke. I also don't think rapidshare allows files to be uploaded above the size of 100 mb.
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When you are going through Hell, keep going.
-Sir Winston Churchill.

Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it.


Jun 29 2007 09:07pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

agreed.
and lol... there was a post about him uploading it to rapidshare and that he is @ 60% of doing that etc.
that post is gone xD
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Jun 29 2007 06:07pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

Why doesn't he just make it a torrent download? Better than rapidshare any day.
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Jun 29 2007 03:13pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

lol he says that he is uploading stuff to rapidshare... damn tahts probably the worst place to upload files to.

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Finally "THE DAY" has come. Knights Of The Force is a huge MOD. And it's size is approximately 2GB. We are publishing it as 2 parts. The first, in 25 June 16:00 (GMT) and the second in 7 July 16:00 (GMT).The part's sizes are about 1GB. Sharing in this way will be easier.


bullshit imo.
with so many supporters he failed to find a palce to upload in? totally unbelievable.
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This comment was edited by SaZ on Jun 29 2007 03:14pm.

Jun 26 2007 05:49pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

You guys should read this, it's taken from an article on FileFront about KOTF. Which by the way was supposed to be released five days ago and still isn't.

Quote:

Points presented by those who believe KotF is not real:
- Many of the things the mod claims to do (AI modification; non-humanoid player character types; higher NPC/saber/vehicle/map limits than baseJKA; playing as multiple characters on one stage and switching between them; etc) are simply not possible, as you cannot do them without the singleplayer source code - which has never been released to anyone outside of Raven Software or LucasArts' dev teams.
- There's no irrefutable evidence to prove that KotF is real, and what evidence has been given doesn't show anything that couldn't have been faked.
- The concerns of those dubious over the mod's existence have not been dispelled by KotF's supporters, and in many cases they merely avoid the question entirely. KotF's forums are moderated in a way where it is not allowed for anyone to express these doubts and ask for a resolution to them, even if they do it in the most polite way possible. This leads some people to believe that these questions/concerns are avoided because they cannot be resolved.
- Materials provided (demo, screenshots and trailer) do not provide any definitive proof, as they could easily be reproduced by many people within the community with no modding done at all (using baseJKA).
- While the demo does things baseJKA never did, it did not utilise any features which weren't present and entirely usable in baseJKA. The only difference is that Raven Software did not use them, rather than that they did not exist until KotF came along.
- Regardless of the length of the trailer, it still doesn't show anything that isn't perfectly possible within baseJKA or that would need modding in.
- The screenshots again could easily have been made in baseJKA. People make screenshots like that for JKFiles PotD every day! The ones that weren't taken from baseJKA could have easily been Photoshopped. Screenshots are never good proof of anything.
- "If the mod really is real, why are the KotF supporters acting like desperate fanatics, making a drama out of this to convince everyone?" {Quoted from a deleted post earlier in the thread.}


Points presented by KotF supporters:
- The mod has gained extensive media coverage.
- The demo does stuff baseJKA doesn't do.
- The trailer is 37 minutes long.
- What about all those screenshots?
- Permissions were gained for all of the resources used in KotF.


On the issue of "Is it a scam?":
NO - Without those donations Tim wouldn't have had a good enough PC to finish KotF, he improved the engine that much!
YES - He did not improve the engine at all, simply because it is not possible to do so. Singleplayer source code was never released, and the Multiplayer SDK does not give the ability to modify the game engine, only basic mechanics.
NO - His older PC couldn't run 3DS Max or GtkRadiant. He needed to upgrade so that we could get the mod?
YES - 3DS Max 8 and GtkRadiant 1.5.0 have incredibly low system requirements. Also, since Tim didn't make any of the maps or models or skins included, he didn't even need to use Radiant, 3DS Max or Photoshop.
NO - The donations kept the website online. Without them he wouldn't have been able to afford it!
YES - That's just an excuse. Web hosting on average costs less than $10 a month for premium plans, even in Turkey.


Reasons why this mod is now considered a violation of network policies:
- Profit has been made from it. As much as KotF supporters like to argue that "it's not illegal because it's optional and he's not selling the mod", they are sadly incorrect. Money may not be made from any element of a mod project in any way shape or form - be it the website, game servers, computer upgrades, or anything else. It's clearly stated in LucasArt's policies.
- If the mod is indeed real, then it has been made using illegally reverse-engineered components of the game engine, as that is the only way Tim could have possibly gotten the source code needed to do many of the things this mod claims to have done. Hence why I labelled it "warez", since decompilation of software is a warez topic, something expressly forbidden under our forum guidelines and the FileFront Acceptable Use Policy.
- I've emailed the creators of a good percentage of the resources used for KotF, and according to them permissions have not been obtained, and no attempt was ever made to get permissions. This makes it outright theft - a violation of the Plagiarism Policy which we enforce in order to protect the rights of modders.
- It is also theft of intellectual property, as labelled under the FileFront Acceptable Use Policy.
- If KotF is real and it's claim to "run seperately from Jedi Academy" is true, then it is in direct violation of not only the End User License Agreement but also the LucasArts Modding Policy.


Now I have never been sure whether this mod is real or fake (either way he'll be pretty famous for it). Reading this has somewhat convinced me towards the latter though as every part of it is 100% true (apart from the legality of reverse engineering software which I'm not sure about.)

Still I could be wrong, only time will tell.
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Mar 24 2007 11:34am

ME Returns 4
 - Student
 ME Returns 4

I saw the trailer four times. I believe that he is tellinght truth so don't blame me just wondering... :confused:
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Mar 24 2007 10:04am

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

Quote:
http://www.lucasforums.com/printthread.php?t=176255

:confused:


lol dude you are silly.
go watch the ~40min new trailer instead of reading all that crap.
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Mar 24 2007 07:48am

ME Returns 4
 - Student
 ME Returns 4

http://www.lucasforums.com/printthread.php?t=176255

:confused:
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ME Returns 4

Mar 24 2007 07:32am

ME Returns 4
 - Student
 ME Returns 4

http://forums.filefront.com/sw-jk3-rants-raves/297249-kotf.html


Now I don't know what to believe :confused:

http://forums.filefront.com/sw-jk3-rants-raves/297249-kotf-5.html#post3584418

Read the part about Shellcat...

Am I going to be banned too?

http://forums.tweakguides.com/showthread.php?t=6066
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ME Returns 4

This comment was edited by ME Returns 4 on Mar 24 2007 07:39am.

Mar 24 2007 07:26am

ME Returns 4
 - Student
 ME Returns 4

Personally I believe its real and I think Tim is telling the TRUTH so don't get angry at me...

http://topsites.moddb.com/site/2250/
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This comment was edited by ME Returns 4 on Mar 24 2007 07:37am.

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