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Apr 15 2005 05:56pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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NotSoLittleCaesar
ok, a simple question i am curious why there are not any red classes, i have seen 3 classes (at least) for yellow, advanced, normal adn begginer, now, why arent there any of them for Reed???now i may get flamed for this or is the acade,y liking yellow, or 'bias' more to it >_<?? im curious :P?
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Apr 19 2005 10:32am

Masta
 - Jedi Council
 Masta

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Also that you probably have a better chance of evading an attack from any stance and saber type while using yellow.

You actually have the same chance of evading attacks with any other saber stance...noone actually forces you to run forward while using red.
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Apr 19 2005 07:50am

Furi0us
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 Furi0us

Well, like Dascascos, I was a yellow user before the Academy... It was only when I met Flash that I started using red. :P
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Apr 19 2005 01:58am

Setementor
 - Jedi Master
 Setementor

Yellow is the one stance which stands in the middle of the three. Yellow is fast and does nice, fair damage. Also, since you don't get as many people Spinning, wiggling, swaying, etc. in the Academy, it tends to work quite well.

I'm sure these are somewhat the main reasons as to why Yellow is a commonly used Stance on the Jedi Academy servers.

Apr 19 2005 12:38am

Balian
 - Ex-Student

I love red
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Apr 19 2005 12:16am

Dacascos
 - Lowly Urchin
 Dacascos

I actually learned yellow before I ever heard of this place. but I do agree with most of your post.
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This comment was edited by Dacascos on Apr 19 2005 12:16am.

Apr 18 2005 10:48pm

Zarith
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 Zarith

Yeah I've also been wondering why yellow is such favored among the highly skilled players in JA. I've feeling that yellow are mostly used since you have more control of your character whilst using that particular stance. Also that you probably have a better chance of evading an attack from any stance and saber type while using yellow. And of course, yellow is also much more of a solid stance to counter with, and that is as we all know, one of the most important parts in duelling. Atleast with the mod used in the JA servers.
But anyhow, personally I believe that if you focus more on using red, you'll eventually learn how to easier gain the upper hand during a duel.
Besides, from what I have experienced, I think that red is more solid to use against dual and staff users.

Well, that's just my five cents.
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Apr 18 2005 09:51pm

Masta
 - Jedi Council
 Masta

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Very few people specialize in red only duelling these days.

HW, you are right to a certain extent. No one in the JA uses pure red stance in their duels anymore. Thats a phenomena I've been researching about for a long time you know.
Like... why does everyone love yellow so much? This thought is solely based on my experience within the JA servers.

As we all know, jk3 supports 3 different saber types... each with its own stances.
Now... the definite minority in the JA are the staffers/dualers, whilst everyone else (logically) uses single.
Now if we look at all single users in the JA... we´ll see that there are people who rely solely upon the yellow stance to beat their opponents. On the other hand though, there is a very small number of users of the JA who would rely solely on red stance in their duels. I would even assume that 85% of all JA single users dont use red at all (or only for a very short time).

Lets have a look at our current JA admin team aka the JAK+. As mentioned somewhere already, the current JAK+ team includes 1 JAK+ who is specialized in duals, 4 JAK+ who are specialized in staff, 5 JAK+ who are specialized in red and 8 JAK+ who are specialized in yellow (Although I havn't fought against the rest of the JAK+ enough to be able to say which style they are using the most).

I've created different theses for the unusual high rate of yellow stancers in the JA. I have asked around on the servers a few times, to inquire as to what people beleive to be the cause for the mass amount of yellow stance preference within the JA.
Some obvious answers may include responses such as, "because it roxxorz!" or "because I like it".
It's rather unusual that you won't find any (or very very few) pure yellow stance duellists on pubs... and I sincerely doubt that there is a pure yellow stance duellist, who knows not of the JA, and frequents the pubs without using some form of 'exploit' or damage enchancing technique.

So, now on to my theses.
The following are the reasons I beleive to be responsible for the mass amount of pure yellow stancers within our JA community.

A) The JAK+
Our yellow stance masters are very successful in their duels. Their seemingly invulnerability, elegance and advantage over everyone else in a duel, inspires others to meet such standards and consequently makes their "skill level" a perfect mark for people to strive to achieve. Besides the fact that they are role models and everyone looks up to them.

B) The Mod
This could actually be the main reason why our yellow users are as successful and motivated as they are now. Although, assuming that they are only that good just because of the mod is nonsense. I am very convinced of the fact that our current mod actually does provide the yellow stancers with few advantages which they usually wouldn't have on unmodded servers (IE high blocking rate, greater range...). I've experienced many people noticing these changes... even JA members on pubs have been noticing that the gameplay is different from what they are used to.

C) The Teachings
Yellow stance is held very highly in the JA, and in the opinion of our yellow stance masters there is minimal randomness within the physics of yellow stance in jk3. It has always been taught as something more important in the JA then any other stance. General techniques like "countering" and "the Dance" have always been taught and explained with the yellow stance, although every saber form actually has the same potential to be used with these techniques.

And before someone asks...no, I have no problem with the majority beeing yellow stancers. The reasons behind this sort of disposition just highly interest me.
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Apr 18 2005 05:04pm

Dacascos
 - Lowly Urchin
 Dacascos

I'm with Furious here. If you need any help with red (Or yellow for that matter) Just gimmie a shout whenever :)
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Apr 18 2005 08:03am

Furi0us
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 Furi0us

Well, if anyone actually needs help with red, call me. I have been using it for a while with pleasing results...
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Apr 17 2005 11:13pm

Squibit
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 Squibit

This part...

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You have to get 1 nomination to take the written test and you must have 3 nominations all in all to take the trial (which is tough... have I heard).


Is refering to the previous paragraph...

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the JAT's have to nominate you and they will only do that if they think you could be a good JAK,


Nomination by JAT Is Not the same as a recommendation by a student.

Easy mistake to make :)
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Apr 17 2005 07:55pm

Jaiko D'Kana
 - Student
 Jaiko D'Kana

Yea matey. Talion your refering to the "Student Knight Recommendation Program". This was set up a little while ago so that students could suggest names for the current JAK to look at. As far as the current actual selection process this has no real weighting. To currently be elegable to sit the current JAK trials you must have Nominations from 2 or more Jedi Academy Trainers. I believe you may have misunderstood or been misinformed as to the process that happens.
no worries its a very difficult process and its very easy to get confused if your not familiar with it :)

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Apr 17 2005 07:28pm

Katan
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 Katan

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they also said they look through all the names, and if you get 2 reccomendations u get a writen test 3 a trial or sumin, ive heard a number of ppl say that they have been reccomended alot of times, like me, ive been 3 times.


Nothing personal, but thats a load of bs. No one ever said that if you get any number of recommendations you get a written test or a trial. Never was intended to be like that. Maybe you or someone who told you that misunderstood. Its when Trainers recommended a student, then they get a written test, or something to that affect.
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Apr 17 2005 07:10pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
 - Student
 NotSoLittleCaesar

they also said they look through all the names, and if you get 2 reccomendations u get a writen test 3 a trial or sumin, ive heard a number of ppl say that they have been reccomended alot of times, like me, ive been 3 times.
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I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop


Apr 17 2005 06:25pm

Squibit
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 Squibit

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since nobody seems to be following there own rules in the recomendation thread


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Who isn't folloing thier own rules?
The council made the thread. and as its a "Student kngiht nomination" thread, no council members have posted in it nominating someone ...?

Out of interest, should/could we nominate current JAK / JAT who we think should keep their posts?

Or after the clearing can we renominate ex-JAK+ ?
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fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p

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FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter

Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once :)


Apr 17 2005 04:33pm

Pink_Mintaka
 - Student
 Pink_Mintaka

i use red stance, i could be better. but Hey, at least i use it right?:P

Apr 17 2005 03:37pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
 - Student
 NotSoLittleCaesar

hard wire.. :( we need soem red knights....solid..red knight...i would reccomend: (since nobody seems to be following there own rules in the recomendation thread...)DJK,...
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Apr 17 2005 02:39pm

Majno
 - Padawan
 Majno

One more?? Who?? :(
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Apr 17 2005 02:05pm

Hardwired
 - Retired
 Hardwired

Very few people specialize in red only duelling these days. And with this new clean up. You will be loosing one more...:/

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Apr 17 2005 06:14am

Furi0us
 - Student
 Furi0us

Hello, this thread is about Red classes, not 'antiglitching' classes. :P
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This comment was edited by Furi0us on Apr 17 2005 06:28am.

Apr 16 2005 05:08pm

Mindrith Pride
 - Student
 Mindrith Pride

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The servers do have a search function :P

If we gather all ideas in one place then its alot easier for people looking for them. I know i'm based because i made the thread but the point is still valid I think Class Requests

So far we'd like

Force
Unusual duels (w00t Thanks Obi)
Red
Conter-glitch classes
Counter - sabre style classes (eg. counter staff)
More movment training at a euro friendly time :P

I would comment about the lack of red classes, but as they "JAK+" have already said they have noticed and are working on it, there isnt too much point

yep yep yep :D
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Apr 16 2005 12:54pm

Squibit
 - Student
 Squibit

The servers do have a search function :P

If we gather all ideas in one place then its alot easier for people looking for them. I know i'm based because i made the thread but the point is still valid I think Class Requests

So far we'd like

Force
Unusual duels (w00t Thanks Obi)
Red
Conter-glitch classes
Counter - sabre style classes (eg. counter staff)
More movment training at a euro friendly time :P

I would comment about the lack of red classes, but as they "JAK+" have already said they have noticed and are working on it, there isnt too much point
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fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p

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FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter

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Apr 16 2005 11:54am

SaZ
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 SaZ

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off the top of mah noggin' the students in gen would like a "vs exploit/glitching class". anda red class or two would be cool.


indeed antiglitching class is a must.
and i think there shouldnt be specific teacher for it. new teacher everytime to share his/her knowledge about antiglitching.

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Apr 16 2005 08:49am

Masta
 - Jedi Council
 Masta

Lies Katan.Ive been always enrolling to your class =P
Well...before i went inactive that is.
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Apr 16 2005 02:48am

Furi0us
 - Student
 Furi0us

red pwnz0rs j00. make a red class.
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Apr 16 2005 02:25am

xAnAtOs
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I used to hold red stances classes and no-one ever came. *shrug
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