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bono_bob - Student |
I was reading in the holocron and in a certain section a guy was talking about how lots of people consider noobish. That makes me laugh so hard. 'the spamming of the butterfly atack' is pathetic and can do nothing to a well trained saber user of anything. A proper time sliced can kill them in a singel hit while they do the butterfuly ( yes even a certain slice a staff saber can do, although its not quite kill in one hit, although im not sure if the daul saber can pull of the same effect) Not to mention the butterfuly can onyl turn so fast and that you can break it (breaking it makes his arm go flimsy and he continues the move in a gimped fashion which praticly does nothing, but leaving him open.) I was a staff user myself and foudn all kind of saber challenging. To be quite honest the best of the best used single sabers though. Not because staff was cheap, but simply because with lots of skill and perfect timing the strong stance kicked butt. I am very disapointed to here that teh computer world of acadmeny consider staff sabers a noob stick. It might be easier for a noob to use, but that doesn't make it not acceptable for dueling on any online server. Its a game made very balance my opinion and the only things that are cheap are things that are actaully glitched, and I am sure you all agree. Although on the other hand since I used staff on xbox, and now I am a padawan again, I have decided to train in the art of a single saber. Oh and we will always know which saber are best for rollstabs *cough*daul*cough* _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This post was edited by Aron on Apr 19 2005 04:39pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: I like using Staff, but I love using single, I usually alternate between the two  ...but I detest Duals  haha y? duals are great, so is staff, but sinlge is my fav  _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Master Bandon - Student 
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I like using Staff, but I love using single, I usually alternate between the two...but I detest Duals _______________ A Jedi shall not know Anger...nor Hate...nor Love. -Jedi Master Bandon 
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: Single can beat all. Duals can beat all. Staff can beat all. Single's are cooler.  lol _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Ecks - Student 
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Single can beat all. Duals can beat all. Staff can beat all. Single's are cooler. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: The good thing about grip and the PC is, you can't yaw with it You have to be looking at the person, or you have to be a certain distance off, or else it will drop them. ?? dont you have to be looking at somoen to usea force power period no matter what platform it is.. althoguht I gues it is easier to yawn with a joystic, I always used full absorb so it really didn't matter much to me. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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3th - Retired 
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that animation/rollstab glitch was fixed in the lone patch they released for the game. but yeah it was here too but they did fix it. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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The good thing about grip and the PC is, you can't yaw with it You have to be looking at the person, or you have to be a certain distance off, or else it will drop them. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: it might look identical, but from something as seemingly simple as compiling the code for windows versus linux i know that causes major problems (from what Orion has said about the JAR mod in the past), so i would be surprised if everything truely was identical. and now on the mac/pc version you get the wonderful world of yaw speeders, key binders, and all other range of exploits! hope they don't put a bad taste in your mouth. of course you really won't find much of that around here, just when you hit the public servers out there. well I guess there not identicle basic gameplay wise, because on xbox I can not bind keys, niether can I make multiple stuff the atack button so that saber locks end in the flick of a mouse wheel, I guess I can't autamticly do a move by the press of the button either, now that I think about it I could not wiggle either (or at least not as effectivley, since you have to make the joystick go form one end to the other end before it even changes direction) Although there were other glitches found, that were not usauly effective in the every day combat. (although yawning, if it is what I think it is was really easy to pull off witha high sensitivty joystick, but it usauly messed you over because you could not see what you were doing if you spinned to fast) one glitch was you would have your saber in someone and then sheathe it by doing a taunt and then roll away from them and stab, a beam of light will go from you saber and hit them with instant death. (teh beam was still dodgable, besides that whiel you were tauning, you could just be cleave right there, nto to mention how close you have to get to have your saber graphic just sticking in them without slicing.) Yawning with death grip was a pain in the rear. You could not force push or pull whiel they span around quickly gripping you ( oh well if your a light user just flick on absorb) When My copy for mac arrives, I will test the sheathing saber glitch to varify if it is xbox only or not, anyhow that is a bit off topic. This was originally saber comparison. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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it might look identical, but from something as seemingly simple as compiling the code for windows versus linux i know that causes major problems (from what Orion has said about the JAR mod in the past), so i would be surprised if everything truely was identical. and now on the mac/pc version you get the wonderful world of yaw speeders, key binders, and all other range of exploits! hope they don't put a bad taste in your mouth. of course you really won't find much of that around here, just when you hit the public servers out there. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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bono_bob - Student |
well I guess.. but the combat system is identicle and same with the single player and the starting maps you get when you instal the game. I am just saying xbox to clarify.. because it was on xbox, and I will admit I have no experience of this game on computer. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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3th - Retired
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Quote: Well on xbox live... not to sound rude, but since no one here really plays JK:JA on xbox and everything we do here is based on the pc version, you might not get a lot of traction with starting statements with that again, honestly i'm not trying to sound like a butthead. just more of an fyi _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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There's no such thing as a perfectly skilled saber user, no matter what type. Every person has flaws in their style which causes them to lose. Remember, dueling isn't just about knowing how to weild your saber. Other factors are involved, such as movement and learning from your opponent's style. I guess you could say there are "experts" for each saber type, but that doesn't make them perfectly skilled. No such thing. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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bono_bob - Student |
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Quote: hmmm yes i agree that expert single will do better than expert duals/staff ... I completly disagree.Once again...there is no superior or "better" saber.It all comes down to the person... If a single "expert" beats a dual "expert", then it just means that the guy wielding single was better then the one wielding duals. well actauly we never had two people of perfect skill fight, so we can't really know can we? Although my opinion to players of perfect skill would never be able to touch each other, no matter what saber each guy used. Generally though I found single saber experts were the best, of course I beat plenty with my staff, but fewer ever beat me with a staff, how it was so fun to use the kick in and make them fall to the ground in the middle of their butterfly. I will say that they are pretty balanced. It is what ever your style is, go for it. It will all come down to the end, that if you can touch them without them touching you.. you win. EDIT: I never said any saber it ultimately superior, in halo 2 :: smg vs plasma rifle.. realy its your preference ( sorry bad example) I just find that there is more skill potential in a single saber from experience, or at least skill potential that is more managable. ( Most staff users don't know hallf the specifics tha was posted in the holocron) After all I was the one who said the singel user would probally win, and I am originally a pro staff user for xbox live along time ago. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Apr 20 2005 10:25pm. |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: ye, spammin butterfly: tactic : 10/10 effectivness 6/10 only a skilled Red user can pull of a 1 hit kill without being scraped Well on xbox live on the duel servers the humbers are the exact opposite, butterfly spamming only worked 6/10 (actaully spamming probally resulted in even less) and the best person on the average duel server was always a red stance single user. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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ye, spammin butterfly: tactic : 10/10 effectivness 6/10 only a skilled Red user can pull of a 1 hit kill without being scraped _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: hmmm yes i agree that expert single will do better than expert duals/staff ... I completly disagree.Once again...there is no superior or "better" saber.It all comes down to the person... If a single "expert" beats a dual "expert", then it just means that the guy wielding single was better then the one wielding duals. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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rocket launcher can beat any saber ofcourse if we have force... hmmm then something other can happen hmmm yes i agree that expert single will do better than expert duals/staff ... because i think that some sabers has their limits... especialy duals. actually dunno what to say about staff  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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bono_bob - Student |
LOL, I find it funny we got 2 votes in the rocket launcher so far. anyhow i like to use staff and single, daul just does not seem like on with teh lightsaber, its more like wielding two just to defeat your oppomenty (which is actauly how it reads in the guide book for the game)At first I had used single, but when training I decided to use the staff, and for some reason I had naturally mastered it. Althuogh on teh computer I wish to train my single. For I am a single saber user at heart. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Refl3x - Student 
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All sabers are fun at times whether it be staff duals or single. I just perfer single because it took me longer to learn than the others. _______________ "The only child ever to survive a roundhouse kick by Chuck Norris was Gary Coleman. He has not grown since." Whachoo talkin bout Willis? Go Sox baby. This comment was edited by Refl3x on Apr 20 2005 02:00am. |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: easy to learn - difficult to master. this is quite true for staff... it makes you more happy coz you can kill someone with staff coz its quite easy to kill unexperienced players with butterfly. that keeps you more with the game well some ppl call staff cheap coz staff just ownz them. im in a bit different opinion... staff user could just spam left right or even easier to do diagonals and the inexperienced player will be squished in no time. thats because staff has a very good offense and a very good defense. BUT! only when attacking. so spamage will make you very dangerous coz you will make good dmg and difficult to dmg coz of good defense while attacking. thats the cheapness i find in staff which will pwn others of the same skill in single saber. same skill saber wielders facing results will depend if there new or expers... I find expert single tend to do better. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: This sort of tactic is easily countered... Actually, any sort of spam tactic is easily countered...the same goes for butterflies.Although they can be a problem for some... It takes practice though ^^ ...and knowledge of course =P yes yes totaly agreed... this is there some experience comes... but you know... in pubs no one knows a thing like knowledge so there its possible to win with spam only _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 19 2005 08:50pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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This sort of tactic is easily countered... Actually, any sort of spam tactic is easily countered...the same goes for butterflies.Although they can be a problem for some... It takes practice though ^^ ...and knowledge of course =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Apr 19 2005 04:20pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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easy to learn - difficult to master. this is quite true for staff... it makes you more happy coz you can kill someone with staff coz its quite easy to kill unexperienced players with butterfly. that keeps you more with the game well some ppl call staff cheap coz staff just ownz them. im in a bit different opinion... staff user could just spam left right or even easier to do diagonals and the inexperienced player will be squished in no time. thats because staff has a very good offense and a very good defense. BUT! only when attacking. so spamage will make you very dangerous coz you will make good dmg and difficult to dmg coz of good defense while attacking. thats the cheapness i find in staff which will pwn others of the same skill in single saber. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I think the term "noob stick" is a player belief more than an Academy belief. I for 1 have met ppl that just out right OWN me with staff and duals. And I myself can Hold my own with single Red Stance. So just like any Saber Style, it's time and training. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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bono_bob - Student |
I have added comments in the holocron where I felt information was mising. Also I noticed there is alot of lunge reference and DFA, which im a little sketchy on since xbox users did not bother using them. ( we found most of them usless most the time) And i wasnt sure what the DFA with red stance was about. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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