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Trooper! - Student  |
I have wondered about this for a while.. How did the Emperor (Sidious) get to be more powerful than any Jedi? I was reading Maul: Shadow Hunter and they don't explain how he got so powerful. Is there a book that goes back further to explain this? I once heard a rumor on the net that he possesed a crystal that gave him extra energy. And why does his face get all moldy when he's sidious but when he's Palpatine he looks(relatively)fine? Dooku looked OK when he was evil. Is this a temporary by-product of being a Sith Lord? Sidious was not a rouge Jedi so does that mean he IS a Sith? Or is this all just "The mystery of the Sith"? _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Ya i agree yoda could pwn sidy in a normal room. For as to why he was able to kill the 3 jedis,(btw, they werent masters, i think) he just knew it would kill em. Had Mace swung at sidi, hed of blocked it, but of course mace didnt because he knew it would be pointless and he might hit his teammate. I think that the better the duelers, the less flashy the fight is. Cuz when obi and ani fight, they spin those things so fast it gives ppl seizures. Older guys dont waste their hits, they only swing when its usefull. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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bono_bob - Student |
well really Yoda just does alot of fancy flips, he is amazing at fighitng, but Mace Windu realy does get the lack of credit of his sabering skill. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Ecks - Student 
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Yoda is much more powerful than 3 Jedi Masters.  Yoda should've been granted a rank of Jedi Lord or something; his power is literally the light side equivalent of a Sith Lord's might, and he does not even need to use the dark side of the force. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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bono_bob - Student |
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Quote: basicly, him and yoda are matched, but if you put it into say, 1-1 yoda would be 0.9999999 while Sid 0.7777 Yoda is generaly more powerfull, but Sid is able to match him using uber h4x0rs that no jedi dare posses, he pokes :O! (but hey, i dont care hes cooool  ) lol yea. Imagine if Yoda duelled him in a duelling room, with no objects, and no higher ground. Palps would have his legs handed to him on a platter. well really lots of peopel agree of me on this than teh 3 jedi master should of been able to pwn Sidios, the fact that Mace Windu took him one on one praticly, and then still took forever while only having one arm to be sent off the buildling. Also the time it took Sidius to stab one of the masters, (besides how cheesy and easy he did it ) Mace WIndu could of lopped his head off, or just about done anything, like instantly destroyed his saber or cutting one of his arms off. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: Sidious is not more powerful than Yoda. The books, again, are a load of crap. In the ROTS novelization, they say some stuff about Yoda not having the skill to beat Palps. Well, in the movie, it looked to me Palps was the one having trouble, having to resort to cheap Force tricks to knock away Yoda's lightsaber. Yoda only retreated because Palpatine had the high ground, and he could not get to him in time before Palp's reinforcements arrived. True... not to mention that Obi wan automaticly won against Anakin as soon as he had the high ground... _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Ecks - Student 
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Quote: basicly, him and yoda are matched, but if you put it into say, 1-1 yoda would be 0.9999999 while Sid 0.7777 Yoda is generaly more powerfull, but Sid is able to match him using uber h4x0rs that no jedi dare posses, he pokes :O! (but hey, i dont care hes cooool ) lol yea. Imagine if Yoda duelled him in a duelling room, with no objects, and no higher ground. Palps would have his legs handed to him on a platter. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Star Wars books = pile of crap Star Wars websites = pile of crappier crap If Lucas dont write em, they arent true. His face is weird cuz he gets zapped. You can see his face burning and melting like in indiana jones. As for how he got his power, it was just how he was born. Yoda didnt do anything special to get so good, he just was. aye he was like luke skywalker, Magicly he managed to become more powerfull than vader in a few years max,  _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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basicly, him and yoda are matched, but if you put it into say, 1-1 yoda would be 0.9999999 while Sid 0.7777 Yoda is generaly more powerfull, but Sid is able to match him using uber h4x0rs that no jedi dare posses, he pokes :O! (but hey, i dont care hes cooool ) _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Ecks - Student
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Sidious is not more powerful than Yoda. The books, again, are a load of crap. In the ROTS novelization, they say some stuff about Yoda not having the skill to beat Palps. Well, in the movie, it looked to me Palps was the one having trouble, having to resort to cheap Force tricks to knock away Yoda's lightsaber. Yoda only retreated because Palpatine had the high ground, and he could not get to him in time before Palp's reinforcements arrived. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: Star Wars books = pile of crap Star Wars websites = pile of crappier crap If Lucas dont write em, they arent true. His face is weird cuz he gets zapped. You can see his face burning and melting like in indiana jones. As for how he got his power, it was just how he was born. Yoda didnt do anything special to get so good, he just was. Yoda didnt do anything special to get so good... right. (although Yoda could of easily been better, along with Anakin, when Obiwan beat Anakin and has a cosiderably lower midachlorian count, or what ever that crap it is.) My brother agrees with you that the movies only mean anything. Although the jedi academy books are very good and the jedi knight series made by lucas arts takes place all after that. But yeah Sidius got zapped in his face.. no duh. But yeah Sidius was a sith, what did you think? He was following the tradition of TRUE sith. ONE master and ONE apprentice. Basicly when the master died the apprentice became the new Master. This is why REAL sith usauly are not just some average smoes. Although some Sith Lords were stil immensely more powerfull than the newer ones, because they can die from ways besides been defeated fair and sqaure by their apprentice. Such as being stabbed while sleeping, dead of aging (very unlikely) or simply defeated because there old age was crippling them. (the force doesn't make your flesh live FOREVER ) Also in the generations to come your going to have a few sith who suck at teaching so more dark secrets/tricks are lost. Then there is also the scenario where the Sith Lord is slained, but no one knew who or where the aprentice was. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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SaZ - Student 
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i think everyone have their resistance against this corruption. sidious had none it seems thats why his inner darkness was reflected fully... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Star Wars books = pile of crap Star Wars websites = pile of crappier crap If Lucas dont write em, they arent true. His face is weird cuz he gets zapped. You can see his face burning and melting like in indiana jones. As for how he got his power, it was just how he was born. Yoda didnt do anything special to get so good, he just was. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy This comment was edited by DarthMike on Jun 27 2005 06:48am. |
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Carve - Student 
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Well then good sir, I have no choice but to demand you cite your sources! As far as I know, it's mentioned in no official Star Wars source. _______________ © |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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lol dude i dont listen to super shadow at all, the kyber crystal is a real part of the Emperors power. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Carve - Student
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Quote: and yes he does have a crystal its called the Kyber Crystal and it powers his influence on others. If I remember correctly, this information you got was probably taken from SuperShadow's website. Be sure to ignore everything you get from there; it's all bunk. _______________ © |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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SPOILERS AGAIN!!!!! SPOILERS!! From the book: And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source. Palpatine staggered, snarling, but the blistering energy that poured from his hands only intensified. He fed the power with his pain. .... .... "Help me! I can't hold on any longer!" The yellow glare from Palpatine's eyes spread outward through his flesh. His skin flowed like oil, as though the muscle beneath was burning away, as though even the bones of his skull were softening, were bending and bulging, deforming from the heat and pressure of his electric hatred. .... .... Palpatine examine the damage to his face in a broad expanse of wall mirror. Anakin couldn't tell if his expression might be revulsion, or if this were merely the new shape of his features. Palpatine lifted one tentative hand to the to the misshapen horror that he saw in the mirror, then simply shrugged. So it's not an "unmasking", it is him being physically deformed. I thought the same, that it was him losing his dark side masking, but reading this showed it was scarring, deformities, etc. that made him look that way. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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to my beleif, i think sidious is so corrupt and evil by the darkside of the force, and that is why he looks the way he does. His knowledge of the old dark powers of the sith lords may have had a toll in that. and yes he does have a crystal its called the Kyber Crystal and it powers his influence on others.but this is only small knowledge that i have collected, dont count on me. i guess the right person to ask is Vasper.. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Super Spolier: Oh wait, yes, Sidious doe sknow the technique. He says he does not, in the conversation I detailed below, but then he uses the technique when he basically revives Anakin after pulling him from the lava. From the book: The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that had once been his brow, and he set his will upon him. Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice. Live. So yes, Sidious did do a bit of trickery there. Not unexpected. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on May 17 2005 11:07pm. |
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Carve - Student
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Quote: simple  his age was uncertain, he is older than any jedi (apart from mayb e yoda) ebcause: *SPOILER!!!!!*sidiouses master darth pegasius (spelling?) devised a way to make the force able him to live for ever, or, extremely old, he was taught by darth pegasuis who was one very tough mummah <3 thas the basic of it Palpatine's age isn't unknown. He was roughly 85 years old by the time of A New Hope. Source: http://timeline.echostation.com/timeline/ Quote: 82 years before A New Hope Palpatine is born Quote: This is why he is able to get Anakin to cleanse the temple. To get the holocrons, so that together they can learn that secret. If Sidious really had been extending his life through clones at the time of Episode III, then he would know the technique, right, and no say that he does not know how. Actually, knowing Palpatine as I do (and I do, because I'm Palpatine), you can't really say that with 100% certainty. Wouldn't you say it's quite possible that Palpatine was using the holocrons and his perceived lack of knowledge to manipulate Anakin further into the clutches of the Dark Side? _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 17 2005 04:14pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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WE HAVE ALREADY OPENED SPOILERS IN HERE, THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS SPOILERS. END OF WARNING, PROCEED AT OWN RISK Daral-Zand, you are Expanded-Universe correct. That's what that all said before the prequels changed everything. I am going strictly from the Episode III novel here. I could type out the pages verbatim, for that matter, and it talks of a lightning loopback that scars him. Sidious (this is important) does not know how to extend the life of others. He knows about the technique, but not all the details. Here: "Yes, I want your knowledge." "Good. Good!" "I want your power. I want the power to stop death." "That power only my master truly achieved, but together we will find it. The Force is strong with you, my boy. You can do anything." This is why he is able to get Anakin to cleanse the temple. To get the holocrons, so that together they can learn that secret. If Sidious really had been extending his life through clones at the time of Episode III, then he would know the technique, right, and no say that he does not know how. The Expanded Universe lore you draw upon is from Dark Empire, well after ROTJ. WE're talking about how his face gets like that in Episode III. I think Expanded Universe made the mistake of thinking it was due to dark side consumption, that his face looks like that over time. It was merely that he got a good dose of his own lightning. Future clones would not look the same, just as clones of Jango Fett would not all have the same facial scar, etc. Scars do not transfer to clones. Hope I set that all straight. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on May 17 2005 04:04pm. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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I'm more into the theory of the dark side's consumption of physical fitness. Sounds reasonable to me _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Daral-zand - Student |
thats not right his face goes moldy beacuse he is a clone and the use of the darkside ages him at a faster rate than a normal clone.the emperor in epi vi was another clone and he is cloned again in the dark horse comics "dark empire" the emperor is over 300 years old sustaining himself throught clones. when one clone dies he uses a sith technique to transfer his being to another teenage clone. 4000 yeas before the fall of the old rep,exar kun used this power to transfer his being into a sith monolith on yavin 4 he would have then become a force sprirt and would have been able to wander the galaxy without anyone being able to stop him. kun was stoped by the unifying light of 10000 jedi that were around yavin 4. he was trapped in the monolith for 4000 years until kyp durron.... |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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"One very tough mummah" Riiiiiiight... This comment was edited by Tyrant on May 02 2005 08:12pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Quote: ************Spoilers********* SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Well, if we are going the way of spoilers....... ......... ... .. Darth Plageuis learned the Dark Side art of extending the life of others. Not himself. It loops back to the midichlorian thing, manipulating that. According to the legend, he could directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter..." The Jedi learn the whole Force-ghost thing, which, as we see, extends the life of themselves. The book details this well: "Eternal life...." The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exultation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness. "Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have...a greater power than all, it is." Palpatine never learned it. But they cleanse the temple, and then they have access to.... TADA! All those Holocrons! And the Sith ones that the Jedi locked away too. Surely there must be a way to figure all this out! C'mon, Annie, let's dig in! And Palpatine's face is due to a Force-lightning loopback when he tries to go medieval on Mace Windu. Reflected back, disfigures his face. That's just about it. ... ..... ....... Quote: END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on May 02 2005 04:34am. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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he made it so they could lvie for ever, and yes indeed stop ppl dieng _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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