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Tyrant - ex-Student  |
In The Empire Strikes Back Vader says to Luke that he should join him and that they can rule the galaxy together, and that Luke can kill Sidious. But than in Return Of The Jedi Vader saves Sidious :/ This post was edited by Tyrant on May 05 2005 12:37pm. |
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DarthMike - Student 
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i just thought of this, I think the reason vader saved sidious is because he knew that if he didnt, he would be in a pinch, cuz hed have no one to help him fight luke and luke obviously wasnt going to join him. All along, i think he didnt like the emporer, because he wasnt able to save padme. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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SaZ - Student 
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well yeah i guess you maybe right... but my theory is not new... depends on how ppl understand balance - pure light or light and dark... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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DarthMike - Student
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Quote: ppl calm down... what are you talkin about? what balance? no sith - no balance. there must be equal power in both sides... after vader killed sidious and died. there was disbalance - luke and leia - both force sensitive and strong in the force but there wasnt any evil dude at that time ... in conclusion: anakin brought balance and luke - disbalance  I find your conception of "balance" to be wrong. I think balance just means uncorrupted. I dont think light or dark side is evil in nature. They just have opposing beliefs. The jedi have a more "under control" belief and the sith have a "let it all loose' belief. This leads them to fight as the jedis see the sith as dangerous and sith see the jedis as a threat to their power. The reason the dark side seems evil in nature is because often dark force users are evil because the believe they have ultimate power. The jedi are less evil because they stay under control. Not all sith have wanted to rule the earth. Like in kotor 2. Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the people corrupting it. Those were the emporer and himself. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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SaZ - Student
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ppl calm down... what are you talkin about? what balance? no sith - no balance. there must be equal power in both sides... after vader killed sidious and died. there was disbalance - luke and leia - both force sensitive and strong in the force but there wasnt any evil dude at that time ... in conclusion: anakin brought balance and luke - disbalance _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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thats cause Vader would need help destroying sidious, because Sidious is too strong for Vader alone _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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DarthMike - Student 
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vader may have saved sidious, but he also killed him. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Jeramia Adept - Student
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aye _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Anakin was the chosen one. It was he who killed the last of the Sith. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Jeramia Adept - Student
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the force doesnt forget, nor was luke or leia or anakin an accident _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: He was conceived by the force, and how it was done doesnt matter. Even though anakin becomes darth vader its still clear he does bring about balance to the force through his son Luke Skywalker, which in actual terms mean that Luke is the best Jedi of all time. yeah, they where wrong in interpreting the Prophecy, Luke was the Chosen One, Anakin was merely a much needed pawn in the game of the Force (BTW, there is no raw, hard cold data to confirm this, just the way I look at it) -sigh- he was a accident, the force forgot contreseption _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Anakin's father was Naughtius Maximus. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Carve - Student 
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"There was no father" sounds pretty definitive to me. _______________ © |
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Cedric - Student |
Quote: since no father is mentioned whatsoever Wait one second... in episode 1, when Anakin's mother was asked about the father, she simply said that "there was no father" and that she had raised him by herself. unless I am missing a part, I belive she never says there was no father to create him, only no father to raise him. This comment was edited by Cedric on May 16 2005 09:45pm. |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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ya LOL _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Kueller - Student 
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Quote: He was conceived by the force, and how it was done doesnt matter. Even though anakin becomes darth vader its still clear he does bring about balance to the force through his son Luke Skywalker, which in actual terms mean that Luke is the best Jedi of all time. yeah, they where wrong in interpreting the Prophecy, Luke was the Chosen One, Anakin was merely a much needed pawn in the game of the Force (BTW, there is no raw, hard cold data to confirm this, just the way I look at it) _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Carve - Student
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SuperShadow is a load of shite. Don't listen to a single damn thing that's on there. The guy makes everything up and changes it as he goes along. He's renowned for being a BS'er so just ignore the site. _______________ © |
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Aiddat - Student 
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I read on SuperShadow.com Palpatine doesn't use the Force to make Anakin. _______________ -Aiddat, the Gran with the green blades. "You have a right to be angry, but believe me when I say you don't want to feed that emotion." - Kyle Katarn {Owner of Liso Jowol's 550th comment, Conchris Chaotic's 80th, 150th and 350th comments, Pink Floyd's 200th comment Tyrant's 695th comment, D@RTHM@UL's 10600th comment}, accidentally tricked Pink Floyd into giving me his 1700th comment, I also have Alexander D'Kana's 1950th comment, Mindrith Pride's 1850th comment and I used the same accidental trick on Lewis's 100th comment, and I have Aiddat's 1992nd comment (birthyear), and #Elmo's 450th comment. Unsuccessfully tried to prove Senor Hat's theory wrong. Click for screenshots. Padawan of R2-D2. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Well in the words of "The Man" Luke becomes the most powerful Jedi. WOOT! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Jeramia Adept - Student
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He was conceived by the force, and how it was done doesnt matter. Even though anakin becomes darth vader its still clear he does bring about balance to the force through his son Luke Skywalker, which in actual terms mean that Luke is the best Jedi of all time. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: *sigh* Don't worry Bail, it's just a false rumor. Palpatine does not use the Force to make Anakin! Does everyone understand that???!!!??? Actually, this is the widely accepted theory of Anakin's conception, since no father is mentioned whatsoever. There are various reasons why people thought this, but I felt the idea of the whole Jesus-birth to be ridiculous so I didn't look into them enough to be able to back it up with data. Nevertheless, there is circumstantial evidence that points towards this. mwhahaa i rock _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Carve - Student 
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Quote: *sigh* Don't worry Bail, it's just a false rumor. Palpatine does not use the Force to make Anakin! Does everyone understand that???!!!??? Actually, this is the widely accepted theory of Anakin's conception, since no father is mentioned whatsoever. There are various reasons why people thought this, but I felt the idea of the whole Jesus-birth to be ridiculous so I didn't look into them enough to be able to back it up with data. Nevertheless, there is circumstantial evidence that points towards this. _______________ © |
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Aiddat - Student 
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Quote: Well if Palpatine didnt mess with anakins midiclorians then he wouldnt of exsisted so to speak, so i think palpatine can be called his daddeh! what's all this about messing with his midichlorians? if it's a spoiler, then please don't tell me *sigh* Don't worry Bail, it's just a false rumor. Palpatine does not use the Force to make Anakin! Does everyone understand that???!!!??? _______________ -Aiddat, the Gran with the green blades. "You have a right to be angry, but believe me when I say you don't want to feed that emotion." - Kyle Katarn {Owner of Liso Jowol's 550th comment, Conchris Chaotic's 80th, 150th and 350th comments, Pink Floyd's 200th comment Tyrant's 695th comment, D@RTHM@UL's 10600th comment}, accidentally tricked Pink Floyd into giving me his 1700th comment, I also have Alexander D'Kana's 1950th comment, Mindrith Pride's 1850th comment and I used the same accidental trick on Lewis's 100th comment, and I have Aiddat's 1992nd comment (birthyear), and #Elmo's 450th comment. Unsuccessfully tried to prove Senor Hat's theory wrong. Click for screenshots. Padawan of R2-D2. |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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You're really bad at finding plot holes. _______________ slorp |
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Carve - Student
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Are you referring to Darth Vader protecting Emperor Palpatine when Luke swings at him with his lightsaber after the Emperor has been taunting him? if so, that was to show that Darth Vader has more than just a superficial conflict between his son and the Emperor. The Emperor gave him life, purpose, and vision. He gave him goals in his life as well. Essentially, the Emperor gave him everything (though he took everything as well, but Palpatine is skilled with words and so Vader may not realize this so clearly). However, Vader still has some connection to his son. Also, it is the way of the Sith to usurp their Master. Basically what I mean by all this is that Vader had no clear-cut choice. He couldn't make up his mind who to side with. He did want Luke to join him and rule the Galaxy together with his son. However, was also very much under the power of Palpatine's machinations. Therefore, he was not able to simply "let" Luke kill the Emperor in that way. Also, let's not forget that Luke denied Vader's request to rule the Galaxy. To let Luke kill the Emperor and then have Luke say, "Haha just kidding, no Galaxy for you" would be awful. Vader had to know that Luke was on his side. Luke had to turn to the Dark Side before he killed the Emperor. As such, Darth Vader could never allow Luke to kill the Emperor in such a way. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 14 2005 05:56am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Well if Palpatine didnt mess with anakins midiclorians then he wouldnt of exsisted so to speak, so i think palpatine can be called his daddeh! what's all this about messing with his midichlorians? if it's a spoiler, then please don't tell me _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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