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El Vee For - Student  |
Now we are all very aware of blue yellow and red stance what they are and what they do but I have seen a few interesting styles. Vaapad Wuji Hundun Jian I have seen more than these two but lets just start with the two. I am interested in knowing what these styles focus on, not blue or yellow stances, but aerials, standing still, running, elevated terrain. I have studied some actual sword fighting techniques and it would be very enlightening to learn more about my virtual swordplay. In essence what this post beckons from you the reader is: 1. Name of Style (any style not just the two mentioned above) 2. History of the Style (the more you can give here the better) 3. Practical application of the Style (when it is advantageous to use the style) I am not looking to imitate just document the styles of lightsaber combat that have been created, Iaido is a great example yet I am not sure how you could accomplish such a manuever in game. I am sure my post is vague and I do want to hear about real world style and in game styles. I am very interested in this and will be most appreciative of any and all input on this matter. your humble servant LV _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This post was edited by El Vee For on May 12 2005 11:48pm. |
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Tatu'ik - Student |
In jk2: outcast i had a mod which had purple and orange stance. purple was really near what mace does, too bad they didn't add that  _______________ Definition of the word w00T!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woot This comment was edited by Tatu'ik on May 13 2005 09:42pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: There has been occasion when I have seen a player be very successful while only mastering a few moves. I have seen great duels yet they all look the same to me. Jumping and flipping and swinging, over and over until one falls to the floor defeated. Where is the style in that? To me that seems like playing the game for a CHAnCE at winning no discipline whatsoever. i completely disagree. Flips and jumsp are strategy, my style is based on flips ariels and jumps. and i still have to time it its not chance its timing. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: There has been occasion when I have seen a player be very successful while only mastering a few moves. I have seen great duels yet they all look the same to me. Jumping and flipping and swinging, over and over until one falls to the floor defeated. Where is the style in that? To me that seems like playing the game for a CHANCE at winning no discipline whatsoever. Well from my experience, it is possible to beat everyone with seperate 1-swing-combos of any stance.It doesnt really matter which combos you are using or how often you jump...what really matters in a duel is how far your adaption, timing and ability to avoid hits is developed...and not which swings or what movement you are using. Also, ppl dont just randomly jump up and down and hit the attack button from time to time in a duel, just because they dont follow a specific sequence of moves (aka a "style"  .As ive stated already, most "good" duelers watch their opponents closely, search their "style" for weakspots and use these to gain an advantage over their opponent.Oh and Anime > all =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Name: buke Ken Dansu: The form in which i am training in. It is based around kultiple ariels and heavy strikes. name: Kai Tenko. My old style, based on ariels and using terrain as a ally. Yoda Pride style, based around yodas movies stance, fast attacks, flips and using the envirotment. These Styles are they your creation or are you being instructed by a Master? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Dear GOD... you kids watch too much anime.  Awesome list though, Wolfwood. I just can't see how it translate into a game that lacks the freedom of movement that it would need for individual styles to be created. Meh, whatever.  |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Name: buke Ken Dansu: The form in which i am training in. It is based around kultiple ariels and heavy strikes. name: Kai Tenko. My old style, based on ariels and using terrain as a ally. Yoda Pride style, based around yodas movies stance, fast attacks, flips and using the envirotment. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: ...if you search the pages on the Internet, you'll find alternatives to Wolfwood's list like here, less official but still interesting. Both Wolfwood's information and the descriptions on the above site are from role playing games. In JK3, some players need something to identify themselves with, so they often make up their own 'style' and give it a certain name. In my experience, their playing styles aren't distinguished enough to warrant a name of their own, but I can definitely see the fun-factor by doing so. To proclaim, however, that it is something more than that is a bit weird in my opinion. I've been playing for years, against hundreds of people, on dozens of servers, and never have I encountered someone with a style so specific and unique it deserved a name of its own. I also agree with Masta - in JK3, adaptability is the key to a succesful fight. There is no winning combination of moves or a certain style that will get you through every fight, because every fight is a choreography between two dancers, made up on the spot. You can train your moves, your timing, your combinations, your aerials and even your behaviour, but it is in freedom of style that you find your victory. I have noticed much of the same. There has been occasion when I have seen a player be very successful while only mastering a few moves. I have seen great duels yet they all look the same to me. Jumping and flipping and swinging, over and over until one falls to the floor defeated. Where is the style in that? To me that seems like playing the game for a CHANCE at winning no discipline whatsoever. I have seen Wolfwoods list before, on a website that featured The Star Wars Galaxies game I believe. The list is good and it helps but what I was hoping for probably doesn't exist. A defined style that someone has created or refined into an actual in game tactic. I have seen some players that like to crouch as they swing, this is a great tactic. Thought there may be a connection. Never have I seen two players keep both feet and the ground and slug it out, like in the movies. Prolly cuz the game doesn't really support that level of dueling. The random luck approach to dueling in JK3 is tiring. When I look at the dueling sequences in the Revenge on the Sith Game I wonder when those great moves and defense abilities are going to come to the Jedi Knight series. The JK games are the best (opinion) multiplayer games out there and they deserve an upgrade. I realize that this isn't real and we are bound by the limitations of the game and since I have beat the Single Player story a couple times I am very well aware that all that flipping and twirling is necessary to beat the "bosses" in single player. Thanks for the feed back, keep it coming! peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on May 13 2005 04:25pm. |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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good stuff wolfwood _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Quote: Vaapad: Is the style that Mace Windu invented. He used form VII as a base for this style. In short, its an agressive style. being able to stick close to your enemy and press them. How do you know these things? _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Form Zero Originally defined by Jedi Master Yoda to describe the lightsabre technique of Felanil Baaks, Form Zero became the basis for the instruction of lightsabre combat. In its simplest form, Form Zero is the art of wielding a lightsabre which had not been ignited. While it seemed silly to many padawan learners, the underlying message could not be ignored. In order for a Jedi to protect and serve the galaxy, they must know when to ignite their lightsabre for combat, and when to leave the weapon at his side. The understanding of another being's situation was key to the knowledge of right and wrong, and any student who could understand the necessity of Form Zero and use it to mediate a solution - without resorting to violence - was truly gifted with the Force in the eyes of the Jedi. My favorite form. Of course, if you search the pages on the Internet, you'll find alternatives to Wolfwood's list like here, less official but still interesting. Both Wolfwood's information and the descriptions on the above site are from role playing games. In JK3, some players need something to identify themselves with, so they often make up their own 'style' and give it a certain name. In my experience, their playing styles aren't distinguished enough to warrant a name of their own, but I can definitely see the fun-factor by doing so. To proclaim, however, that it is something more than that is a bit weird in my opinion. I've been playing for years, against hundreds of people, on dozens of servers, and never have I encountered someone with a style so specific and unique it deserved a name of its own. I also agree with Masta - in JK3, adaptability is the key to a succesful fight. There is no winning combination of moves or a certain style that will get you through every fight, because every fight is a choreography between two dancers, made up on the spot. You can train your moves, your timing, your combinations, your aerials and even your behaviour, but it is in freedom of style that you find your victory. This comment was edited by Kenyon on May 13 2005 03:50pm. |
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..PJ.. - Student 
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Hehe Iaito is only laming in JK2/3 ^_^ _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Actually no, Kotor is a Star Wars related game so its natural that they use the already known stuff from the Star Wars universe. But I can tell you for sure that the stuff I just wrote down came before the game Kotor2 was even under development _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on May 13 2005 08:27am. |
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SaZ - Student 
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spoilers from kotor2 dont you think? as for my style... in duel i use everything i know from red stance to non spam yellow to blue stance with bit-improved-lunge i think thats the reason why im no good at one stance so im crappy at all of them lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 13 2005 08:29am. |
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Wolfwood - Student
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Here is something really interesting. It does have it's ties to JK3 but these are the known style's of saber combat in the Jedi Teachings. Form I – Determination (Shii—Cho) Millennia before the Clone Wars, advanced technology replaced metal swords with energy-beam lightsabers. In this transition the first Form was born. Jedi Masters created Form I from ancient sword-fighting traditions, since the principles of blade combat remained much the same. The basics of attack, parry, body target zones, and the practice drills called velocities are all here. Form II – Contention (Makashi) The ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat became Form II, advancing the precision of blade manipulation to its finest possible degree and producing the greatest dueling masters the galaxy has ever seen. Today Form II is an archaism studied by almost no one in the Jedi Order, because it is not relevant to current tactical situations, in which Jedi enemies rarely fight with lightsabers. Even with the resurgence of the Sith, confrontation of an enemy with a lightsaber is an exceedingly rare prospect for a Jedi, so they continue to focus on more practical Forms. Sith expecting to battle lightsaber-wielding Jedi, however, find Form II a powerful technique. Form III – Resilience (Soresu) The third great lightsaber discipline was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. As these weapons spread widely into the hands of evil-doers, Jedi had to develop unique means of defending themselves. Form III thus arose from "laserblast" deflection training. Over the centuries it has transcended this origin to become a highly refined expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy. Form III maximizes defensive protection in a style characterized by tight, efficient movements that expose minimal target area compared to the relatively open style of some of the other Forms. Obi-Wan Kenobi takes up a dedication to Form III after the death of Qui-Gon Jinn (who favored Form IV), since it was apparent to Kenobi that Jinn's defense was insufficient against the Sith techniques of Darth Maul. True Form III masters are considered invincible. Even in his elder years, Kenobi remains a formidable Form III practitioner. Form IV – Aggression (Ataru) Form IV is the most acrobatic Form, heavily emphasizing Jedi abilities to run, jump, and spin in phenomenal ways by using the Force. Masters of Form IV incorporate all of the ways in which the Force helps them go beyond what is physically possible. Their lightsaber combat is astonishing to watch, filled with elaborate moves in the center of which a Jedi may be all but a blur. Yoda, with his deep emphasis on the Force in all things, is a Form IV master. Form IV was also the chosen discipline of Qui-Gon Jinn and the early choice of his apprentice Obi-Wan Kenobi. Form V – Perseverance (Shien) During an era when Jedi were called upon to more actively maintain the peace in the galaxy, Form V arose alongside Form IV to address a need for greater power among the Jedi. Jedi Masters who felt that Form III could be too passive developed Form V. A Form III master might be undefeatable, but neither could he necessarily overcome his enemy. Form V focuses on strength and lightsaber attack moves. This Form exploits the ability of the lightsaber to block a blaster bolt and turns this defensive move into an offensive attack by deflecting the bolt deliberately towards an opponent. A dedication to the power and strength necessary to defeat an enemy characterizes the philosophy of Form V, which some Jedi describe by the maxim "peace through superior firepower." To some Jedi Knights, Form V represents a worthy discipline prepared for any threat; to others Form V seems to foster an inappropriate focus on dominating others. Form VI Moderation (Niman) In the time of Palpatine's Chancellorship, Form VI is the current standard in Jedi lightsaber training. This Form balances the emphases of other Forms with overall moderation, in keeping with the Jedi quest to achieve true harmony and justice without resorting to the rule of power. It is considered the "diplomat's Form" because it is less intensive in its demands than the other disciplines, allowing Jedi to spend more time developing their skills in perception, political strategy, and negotiation. In practice, Form VI is a combination of Forms I, III, IV, and V. Young Jedi spend their first few years studying Form I and then a year or two with each additional Form before completing their training. By comparison, a Form VI master will spend at least ten years studying only that Form after completing the basic Form I training. Form VI well suits the modern Jedi's role in the galaxy, in which a Knight overly trained in martial combat might be at a loss to resolve a complex political conflict between star systems. However, full masters of other Forms sometimes consider Form VI to be insufficiently demanding. Form VII – Ferocity (Juyo) Only high-level masters of multiple Forms can achieve and control the ultimate descipline known as Form VII. This is the most difficult and demanding of all Forms, but it can eventually lead to fantastic power and skill. Form VII employs bold, direct movements, more open and kinetic than Form V but not so elaborate in appearance as Form IV. In addition to very advanced Force-assisted jumps and movements, Form VII tactics overwhelm opponents with seemingly unconnected staccato sequences, making the Form highly unpredictable in battle. This trait makes for a much more difficult execution than the graceful, linked move sequences of Form IV. Form VII requires the intensity of Form V, but much greater energy since that focus is wielded more broadly. Form VII draws upon a deeper well of emotion than even Form V, yet masters it more fully. The outward bearing of a Form VII practitioner is one of calm, but the inner pressure verges on explosion. Form VII is still under development since so few can achieve the necessary mastery to advance the art. I hope you all liked that _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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hahaha yeah well... thruth to tell just awhile ago (around a month) i just thought there was blue, yellow, red, duels and staffs, but hehe i was totaly wrong and also when i first started the game i just thought to myself "wow this game is good but the combos are so easy to use..." rofl heh how wrong i now know i was i have recently started my own saber style *points to siggy* but im still practiceing the moves, acuraccy and where to place my combos... so basicly its not a style yet but i am training when ever i get the chance (btw soz i didnt answer ur question but i dont realy know that many... i only know some peoples (like tals and liso's) style of playing... altho tal being the red monster he is can always suprise me ^_^ _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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I remember having the Janus Beer Stein Staff style early on in my career, and that just detailed have a few brews and then playing the game.... Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe 3th used the Kristi Yamaguchi style for a bit...(implores 3th to go on about the style) _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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lol _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Quote: 3) It was mainly a style used for diffusing a potentially long dangerous battle, simply by being prepared for the enemy and striking them down at lightning speed before they got a chance to draw their sword and cause harm to anyone sounds familiar. but when i do it ppl call it laming. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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well somewhat...any style should be adaptable or it would be completely uneffective. How and when a person uses certain swings. What form they stay it ro use mainly. How they use movement. Weather there more counter based or offensive or defensive. if they use alot of airial moves. I mean i came up with my style name cause it describes how i like to fight is all. Any god duelist would know to adapt to ur opponent. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Errr...while talking about jk3... Isnt following a "style" (particular move combinations and aerials) actually a limitation and therefor a disadvantage in combat? I rather prefer to be unpredictable and to adapt myself to my opponent, instead of repeating the same moves over and over, thus making it easier for my opponent to adapt and develope counter-measures against my "style". _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 13 2005 01:14am. |
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Vaapad: Is the style that Mace Windu invented. He used form VII as a base for this style. In short, its an agressive style. being able to stick close to your enemy and press them. Wuji Hundun Jian: Means "Void of the Chaos Sword" Just something I came up with to describe my love of chaos in dueling. I tend to use one when not using the other. Hope that explains those for ya. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Wow, no wonder I suck at JK3! The only styles I was aware of were red stance, blue stance, yellow stance, staff stance, and duals stance! LOL! There are players that group particular moves combinations and aerials to create a style of lightsaber combat. The way Yoda flips around in AOTC is an example of individual fighting style. The star wars RPGs talk about different styles of saber combat and the EU books do as well, it is only natural that they make thier presence felt here as well. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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..PJ.. - Student
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IMO we should be able to use Iaido to make sure no1 screws with us For example, say an evil (i mean really really evil nasty!) sith guy comes up to me..... "PJ! me no like you!" WHAM with the Iaido combo and I walk away actually winning a duel! (god forbid!) EDIT: I didnt really answer the question! 1) Iaido 2) Its an ancient Japanese style and one of the many martial arts that Samurai trained in 3) It was mainly a style used for diffusing a potentially long dangerous battle, simply by being prepared for the enemy and striking them down at lightning speed before they got a chance to draw their sword and cause harm to anyone (in particular those of royalty or unarmed civilians) Feel free to tell me I'm wrong though, all those who know this stuff better than me That's just what I understand of it. _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. This comment was edited by ..PJ.. on May 12 2005 11:26pm. |
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Wow, no wonder I suck at JK3! The only styles I was aware of were red stance, blue stance, yellow stance, staff stance, and duals stance! |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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From what i know, a named jk3 style is usually just someones way of playing the game who decided to give it a name. So i guess thats what you are looking for? Ppl who explain their way of playing the game in great detail?Correct me if im mistaken... Studying or even copying someones way of playing the game is very possible and can be used to achieve great skill in a short amount of time.It depends on both the Teachers and the Students patience and will to give/accept knowledge though... _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 12 2005 09:57pm. |
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