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Trooper! - Student  |
I was wondering, since Palpatine wasn't a dark jedi was he actually a Sith or just trained in the dark forces? Are the Sith truly extinct or was Palpatine the last? _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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Is Palpatine a Sith or Sith wannabe?
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SaZ - Student 
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mindnight your points are very good but... as far as i can remember darth revan had many followers... and why cant they just hide? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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The difference between a Sith and any normal Jedi who turns to the dark side are the teachings, or so I'm told. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Krazzed - Student 
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ok that wasnt yoda that was a jedi master that was the same race, he was NOT yoda i repeat he was NOT yoda! _______________ (\__/) (O.o ) (> < ) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
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Midnight - Student 
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To explain some things(btw u should play swkotor 1+2 they explains a lot about the sith and the jedi and the sw universe). the sw world is based upon the proposition that the jedi have been around for 25,000 years or so("the jedi have been the defenders of the known univurse for nearly 1000 generations"(1 gen=25 years  )) somewhere around the first 10000 years since the Jedi Order was created a group of Jedi who were tempted by the dark side(or just had different opinions than the jedi about interfearce(we all know about unjustfull perceution)) and a Jedi civil war started. the jedi won and sent the sith to exile!@!@!@! in the next ~10000 years no one heard about the Sith and only old monuments they created and old relics of theyre empire remained... thats about the time where swkotor 1+2 take place, where raven and his former master(the crazy old woman from swkotor 2) find the those monuments and "become" Sith. than raven and malak create a second Jedi civil war where almost all the jedi die(some die with those sith lords in swkotor2) and all sith in the Known univurse die, and a new generation of jedi start from the people we made jedi in swkotor 2  . anyhow again no sith, then the emp find those relics, becomes sith, kills all jedi but luke and ob1 and yoda and than gets killed and again no sith and a new gen of jedi start from luke(starting to see a patern??!?!?!?). blah same old story..now the biggest point in swkotor 2 is that u find that both raven, and the exile(if he becomes good) go to find the true sith empire in the unknow regions of space(the real sith from the start of the jedi around 20000 years ago). OK that was some history but what I'm really aiming for is that the sith is only and idolegy, a belief that says "I use the "Dark" side of the force" and I believe in certain priciples... so the sith is just a Jedi with different ideas about how to use the force... of course those who are sith in the games and movies are usualy crazy mofo's that try to take over the world(with the exception of raven, he had some different agenda in mind, RAVEN IS DA MASTA!!!!!) ...So as I said the sith are Jedi idealists, hated and feared for theyre ideas and ways of life(again, the crazy mofo's like the emp arent to be counted in this), who base theyre belief system upon a one they found in some old scripts in some old sith worship place. those are the sith, noting more, nothing less. hope u understand any of this, have fun if u do, -Midnight P.S yoda makes an apperence in swkotor 2 on a video found in a bot somewhere in doontione(man i cant spell) which makes him 10000 years old and he says in the movie just 800(that lieing green man). just a point for fun Oh yeah and i dont take resposablity to anyting i just wrote because i played most of those games while i was drunk so dont trust everything i said _______________ I'm the inspiration for DumbAss(arrrrr...I wish I was) DumbAss VERY VERY VERY PROUND OWNER OF LISO'S 1400th COMMENT |
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Aiddat - Student 
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Quote: I always gathered that a Sith 'Lord' was the equivalent to a Jedi Master. The comparison in ranks to me sort of go like: JEDI Padawan Jedi Knight Jedi Master SITH Apprentice Sith Master Sith Lord I don't think Sith Lord is an actual Sith rank, there are only two Sith at a time, a Master and an Apprentice. Sith Lord just means one of the two Sith. _______________ -Aiddat, the Gran with the green blades. "You have a right to be angry, but believe me when I say you don't want to feed that emotion." - Kyle Katarn {Owner of Liso Jowol's 550th comment, Conchris Chaotic's 80th, 150th and 350th comments, Pink Floyd's 200th comment Tyrant's 695th comment, D@RTHM@UL's 10600th comment}, accidentally tricked Pink Floyd into giving me his 1700th comment, I also have Alexander D'Kana's 1950th comment, Mindrith Pride's 1850th comment and I used the same accidental trick on Lewis's 100th comment, and I have Aiddat's 1992nd comment (birthyear), and #Elmo's 450th comment. Unsuccessfully tried to prove Senor Hat's theory wrong. Click for screenshots. Padawan of R2-D2. This comment was edited by Aiddat on Jun 10 2005 12:25am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: What I was trying to point out is that if the Sith were extinct for a thousand years and revived by a dark Jedi then no one is truly Sith, only revivalists that brought the order back, or were they in hiding for a thousand years? The Sith were wiped out by the Jedi. A dark Jedi secured the Sith Holocron and learned to open it. When the Sith teachings spread to other Dark Jedi a power struggle within thier ranks forced the establishment of the Rule of Two, designed to prevent further internal struggle and allowing the Sith to focus on the goal of destroying the Light siders. The Sith order continued in secret on Coruscant for thousand years before Palpatine had his Apprentice Darth Maul lift the veil by attacking Quigon on Tatooine. For a thousand years no Jedi survived an attack from a admitted Sith Lord til Quigon. It is hard to expose the conspiracy when every witness is killed. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: That is highly arguable though, but thats how I like to look at it. I don't argue that Palpatine might have been the last though. But I also wonder that if the Dark Side of the force is sooo seductive, would that mean it wouldn't be too far-fetched to see that it would be very likely, if not inevitable, that a Jedi at one time or another in the Jedi Academy will be seduced by it and perhaps revive the Sith order? Turning to the dark side only makes one a dark Jedi, to be a Sith one must study the Sith Holocron where the secrets of the Sith Power is stored. Then of course one would have to open the fool thing and only the Sith Master has this ability. When the Master was destroyed with no Apprentice to succeed him, the Sith died end of story. That which has a beginning must have an end. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Matsky - Student 
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Isn't it that they weren't extinct? |
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Trooper! - Student 
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What I was trying to point out is that if the Sith were extinct for a thousand years and revived by a dark Jedi then no one is truly Sith, only revivalists that brought the order back, or were they in hiding for a thousand years? _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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Matsky - Student
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I don't agree totally with the idea that there are only ever 2 Sith in the galaxy at one time. Myself, I think perhaps Yoda was not referring to the Sith as a whole when he said "two there always are: a Master and an Apprentice" but that he might just have been saying that where there is one, there's always another, much like the Jedi order of Knights/Padawans. That is highly arguable though, but thats how I like to look at it. I don't argue that Palpatine might have been the last though. But I also wonder that if the Dark Side of the force is sooo seductive, would that mean it wouldn't be too far-fetched to see that it would be very likely, if not inevitable, that a Jedi at one time or another in the Jedi Academy will be seduced by it and perhaps revive the Sith order? I think by the nature of 'light' and 'dark' there will always be a constant battle between them both, and some will be turned. Saying that perhaps there only ever are 2 Sith though, or that Palpatine is just the last, it is an interesting way to look at the prophecy that I had not thought of, that Anakin actually does wipe out the Sith order... EDIT: As to the 'Sith Lord' thing, like every Sith gets the attachment 'Darth' I also think that every Sith also gets the title 'Lord'. So in my view, no matter what you are in the Sith Order of ranks, you are always Darth Someone and referred to as a Sith Lord, be you an Apprentice or a Master. So that does contradict my previous rank structure guess I know. This comment was edited by Matsky on Jun 09 2005 02:15am. |
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El Vee For - Student
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The Jedi insist on a trial inorder to induct new Knights. Since the Sith Rule of two prevents more than two true Sith Warriors to exist at any one time the Sith manner of "promotion" is as simple as the Sith Master saying the words "you are now Darth 'such and such" and bingo yer a Lord, unless the Sith Master waits too long and gets sliced up by his/her apprentice then the apprentice basically affects self promotion. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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SaZ - Student 
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i think this poll needs one more choice - sith lord . because i dont think the last sith and sith lord is the same. anyway palpatine is a sith lord because hmmm i think i read this in the kotor2 : sith lord - alters alignments of everyone around him . _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: *EDIT: Darth also is... German I think... for 'Dark' Its not german. =) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Phantom - Student 
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Quote: I wouldnt agree so much because he was the aprrentice of a Sith Lord meaning that eventually he would be a Sith Lord, but he died to quickly. Who are you talking about? Sidious was the COunts master. So therefore he will eventually become a Sith Lord. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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What Phantom means, is that he was Palpatine's apprentice, and so would have been a Sith Lord eventually. I don't know about the titles and such, but I think he was Sith. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Palpatine is A Sith Lord He lied to Anakin to gain his allegiance Palpatine is a genius getting the most powerful Knight of the order to switch teams!! He is the George Steinbrenner of the Star Wars Galaxy. Anakin fulfills the prophecy when he tosses Dantius Palpatine AKA Darth Sidious down that reactor vent shaft and turns back to the light thus ending the Sith Rule of Two. With no Sith Apprentice to take the role of Master the Sith Order is destroyed forever. Mr. Lucas says that "Darth" is a Sith word meaning Dark Warrior, the original Dark Jedi that revived the Sith Legend took the moniker Darth and effectively changed the definition to Dark Lord, Darth is a name attached to all Sith because to be a Sith is to be a Warrior. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jun 08 2005 05:16pm. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: I wouldnt agree so much because he was the aprrentice of a Sith Lord meaning that eventually he would be a Sith Lord, but he died to quickly. Who are you talking about? |
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Phantom - Student
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I wouldnt agree so much because he was the aprrentice of a Sith Lord meaning that eventually he would be a Sith Lord, but he died to quickly. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Palpatine was a Sith Lord, so were Darth Maul and Darth Vader. Darth Tyranus aka Count Dooku, was not, since he was a Jedi that fell to the Dark Side, meaning that he is nothing more than a Dark Jedi. This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Jun 08 2005 11:00am. |
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Matsky - Student
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Lucas, or perhaps just the nature of the Star Wars universe, seems to use the titles of nobility fairly loosely. I always gathered that a Sith 'Lord' was the equivalent to a Jedi Master. The comparison in ranks to me sort of go like: JEDI Padawan Jedi Knight Jedi Master SITH Apprentice Sith Master Sith Lord *EDIT: Darth also is... German I think... for 'Dark' so it would go along with any Sith as their sort of 'title' like Sir or Mr. lol. So you could be Darth Matsky, Sith Apprentice, or Darth Sidious, Sith Lord - it doesn't seem to matter. Although that could be wrong, and with the Jedi, the Padawan and Apprentice seem to be interchangable, though Padawan seems more official. I'm also led to believe that Palpatine was Darth Plagus' Apprentice. I really liked that part of the movie where he tells that story. We never really hear anything about the Sith, so this is a good look at them. Does anyone know if 'Plagus' was a historical figure in our own world? Sounds like he might be, perhaps some research might give some hints, if he indeed was a real person. Actually sounds a bit like 'Pelagius' who was a historical figure during the late-Roman times who questioned the teachings of the Roman Church, developing his own theories, and was labelled a heretic. Maybe it has some relevance lol, who knows? This comment was edited by Matsky on Jun 08 2005 04:24am. |
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Trooper! - Student
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Makes me think Palpatine killed Plagus because he would not show him the secret, note that Vader became a Sith lord before killing a Sith Master. Wasn't the Sith an actual race? _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. This comment was edited by Trooper! on Jun 08 2005 03:40am. |
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Phantom - Student
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Well actually if he was Plagueses apprentice then theres a contradiction because he also says in Ep3 that Plagues tought his apprentice everything he knew then the apprentice killed him but then later when Anikin finally falles to darkness Sidious says that "Together we will discover how Plagus cheated death" I may be wrong though. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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He says (or...it's understood) in Episode 3 that he was the apprentice of Darth Plagueis. He also says that Plagueis was a Sith Lord, so I guess that because Palpatine killed Plagueis, he's a Sith Lord. Besides, he has a Sith name: Sidious.  _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Wicek - Nugget 
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He was fox in sheep clothes  Some guys like him controls Poland |
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