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Balian - ex-Student |
This comes from Tido’s post in the other forum about the game and exploits but includes nothing about exploits. *NOTE* this is by all means not a personal shot at ANYONE in the Jedi Academy or a shot at how things are run, it is merely my perception of what I believe the JA to be* Now I am not a really outspoken person about the Jedi Academy but I have had something on my mind for awhile and think it should be said. This is not to be an insult or to show disrespect to anyone at the Jedi Academy and is highly opinionated. This also has nothing to do with me as well, except for the fact that I wrote it. I understand that this post may even destroy what relationships I have or even terminate my membership at the Jedi Academy but I believe it is for the good and hope that people will read this with an open mind and take serious thought about it. I know its long but please finish all of the post before commenting cause the most important stuff is at the end. The Jedi Academy should become a place where people can learn to navigate all aspects of the game at a competitive level, as Tido stated. If we can’t prepare people for the world outside of the Jedi Academy then I think we have failed in being a successful teaching Academy. For instance when I came to the JA sauce referred me and out of the goodness of his heart taught me the basics. I then actually got mad at some of the acts going on at the JA and swore it off for about 5 months. I came back and thankfully it had changed when I came back but I had learned a lot from the outside world. Now it is about the only place I play regularly because my BWN career is pretty much done. I think with the with new restructuring of the JA that the JAK+ should go outside the academy walls and fight and learn new techniques that are coming out or have been out but just hidden. Bring these techniques back and teach people to use them or how to fight against them. Even possibly take their Padawan’s to a CTF or Duel server with TS,and explain techniques and on how to strategize against other people. The reason for this is because in the Academy most students who have undergone classes or were taught by people there, is the same general style of play. Now everyone has their own variations but there are many more outside of the JA walls then inside them. I’m not saying everyone in the JA plays the same Id go with about 50 percent of the populous has similar techniques that they learned in classes or was passed down master to master. So for instance just a theory, we take people like Leif, Tido , Sauce, Masta, Kain or whoever else, who has played on various servers make them JAK+ and teach, then we’d have 5 or so people who have seen various techniques teaching different students all kinds of things. Students would be able to mirror a style they like that they’ve found in the outside world and the JAK+ would be able to teach it. With that we will have an Academy that is pumping out advanced students into the JKA world and making a name for itself not only as a really fun place to play with no flamers and lamers, but a good place to learn the basics but also to learn to be very skilled and be humble about their skills/winnings. The way I see the Academy is that it is the light in the darkness of JKA. It is THEE ACADEMY there is no place like it in the JKA world and I think it should be the best, have the best instructors and even better students.*not saying it doesn’t have the best instructors now either.* People should be able to come here and be taught how to be a well rounded player WHILE still having fun and obeying the written and unwritten rules of the game. Just think we make some sort of tag or way to identify that a person in the “Pubs” is in the JA. They play with great honor, respect and great skills on a public server. If just one person sees that, gets the info and comes to the Academy, learns great skills, humility, and more importantly to have fun that is one more person we can change in the JKA world and help bring back the honor the game once had and more importantly since it is the JEDI ACADEMY we can per say be “Jedi-like” in what we do. I think we are currently heading in the right direction with the restructuring. Please remember ---->; *NOTE* this is by all means not a personal shot at ANYONE in the Jedi Academy or a shot at how things are run, it is merely my perception of what I believe the JA to be* I personally would like to know what other people think about these ideas and my post. I hope this isn’t taken as an insult to anyone because it is not. It is just an idea to help spark other ones that people have cause face it as great as the JAC is 100 heads are better then 5  . I think other people have some good ideas too but haven’t thought to put them down on paper for others to read.To close I want to say that this post is not meant to be a flame fest and is not directed at anyone on an individual level it is just to spark ideas to better the Jedi Academy. I will not respond to flames or personal attacks as well and I don’t want this thread deleted either so please be civil and remember it is to better the Jedi Academy! *NOTE* this is by all means not a personal shot at ANYONE in the jedi academy or a shot at how things are run, it is merely my perception of what I believe the JA to be* So please tell me what you think! _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. This post was edited by Balian on Jun 12 2005 07:27am. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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lol, thats basically it. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Squibit - Student 
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Sabre locks are disabled due to the fact that they often cause server crashes... Edit: As shown by this screenshot here _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: Did they do away with saber locks in the patch, is it just something that the academy did, or is it me?  the academy did it, I dont know why so many servers disable saber locks for duels, I mean come on, their duels, then again teh academy is training the main basics of saber combat your saber skills you learn in teh academy will be usefull in any saber incident, I was on one RP server than had saber locking enabled when you were in a duel, but it still happend little often, so the otehr guy was caught off gaurd to find himself in a saber lock _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
bump... _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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It's just disabled on the Academy servers. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Did they do away with saber locks in the patch, is it just something that the academy did, or is it me? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Yeah roan I like everyones ideas they are pretty good but I feel this post is dead and is all talk, because none of the council has said anything. Alot of peopel are behind this post and godo ideas but I feel nothing will come out of it. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Roan Belouve - Retired 
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Deqlyn Good post and the responses have been great to read. The JA is a place to learn and it serves its purpose. Becoming a competent dueller is down to dedication and time. Some ppl will watch and replicate, others will just duel, duel and duel again, others will learn from the teaching of friends/masters and most will use all of these. I joined because I wanted to be able to enjoy the game and pubs were and still are a harsh place to learn. May the Force be With us All _______________ *Bro to Vaxxla,Padawan of FiZZandOdan-Wei Part of the mighty Belouve Dynasty-Knight of Nippledom.Twin of Selphestal!**Proud Master to Kaelis and Acura Friend to anyone who would call me the same . Pic by the amazing Majno (merry)
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Aye, Lotta good Ideas comin out. Not about exploits, just on how to increase our knowledge and ability. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Please discuss exploits in a different thread this thread is no the place for it nor do I want it to be. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: You must first learn how to "exploit" (ha) in order to be able to beat it... keeping students in the dark about these things only breeds ignorance. All I am saying is that people should have their styles restrained in any way aside from those concrete limitations of what is actually possible and not as defined by those who programmed the game. my style evolved overtime and now i find out that some of my moves are instakills or bugz. no i dont want to fight that way. i evolve even more... die exploits,bugz'n'glitches etc etc etc  you dont need exploiting skills to beat exploits it can be compared to this : i know what moves staffer does and because of that i can defeat him/her. ofcourse that doesnt mean i can use staff...properly... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Jun 14 2005 07:02pm. |
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Krazzed - Student 
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 saz quoted me _______________ (\__/) (O.o ) (> < ) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: look at how it goes in the Star Wars movies. The younglings get trained by the masters and once they are good enough, they get taken on by a master as their Padawan. However, when that happends, the Master and Padawan get send out on missions and errands to gain experience in the fields (Public servers anyone? ). well the way i see it is its practically impossible to get a master when there are only a few of them...there are tons of ppl in the academy...and only few masters.... i just think the main problem now is that we have to go out on public servers and train there and that the academy needs more masters to take on padawans why you need masters when you have dash starlight (perfect example) ? hehe im not trying to offend any of masters but hey learning from students can be almost equal as learning from the masters _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Instakilling doesnt equals exploiting.As you have stated already, BFs actually DO instakill most of the time but they arent considered exploits at all.Same goes for swings like the buzzsaw with duals or staff which usually instakill as well. Instakilling could also be a result of sudden randomness in the mod which doesnt happen as often as in the earlier versions of JAR, but it does happen and wont ever be fixed since it does even happen in basejka as well. Exploits like spinning or poking can be used to just block incoming attacks instead of dealing unnaturally high damage to your opponent.It still makes them an exploit even when they havnt made any damage at all. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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n00b - Student 
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Maybe if you guys learned why the exploits aren't taught, you'd let it go. An exploit in my definition is a move that looks like it should do normal damage, but then you either find yourself dead instantly (with full health/shields in duel mode) or you find after the hit has been made that you have less than 5 hps (starting from full hps/shields.) This definition doesn't cover the damage of butterflies and katas or I'd be calling them exploits too (they aren't.) Almost everyone has accidentally pulled one of these moves off at some time. You don't try to make it happen, but all of a sudden there it is and the duel is over. I used to call them "insta-kills" before the more common exploit term was adopted. People in the JKA community didn't like the fact that these uber moves could exist in the game and a lot of people asked for a patch. The patch came and fixed it to a certain degree. It slowed the propagation of the information, because the patch also fixed yellow stance, people's true love. Yellow became dominant for months after that, but the people who knew how to make the old "damage bug" appear before the patch wanted that power back. It took a few months, but soon players figured out velocity and duration played a large factor in the damage system. This knowledge was known by the JAK+ and they most likely figured it would patched, so it has been shielded from general JA knowledge. It was one thing to know that huge damage could happen, it was another to show people how to make it happen. They decided it was not in the best interest of the community. People who tried to make it happen on purpose were branded as exploiters (and still are.) The JA, from what I can see and hear, still believe that the game is bugged because of this. I agree that purposefully trying to execute moves with the sole intention of insta-killing your opponent is poor gameplay. The JAK+ have always agreed with this and don't teach it. I suppose to some this makes the JAK+ look less knowledgable. That assumption is far from the truth. It was a conscious decision to keep it from the students so people could learn without getting annihilated in one hit. Ladders are such a waste of people's energy. If people focused their personal lives on more tangible goals, maybe we'd have a cure for all cancers and other life-threatening illnesses. Aside from that personal viewpoint, in all reality, the players here that i know do very well on the pubs. I was with the Aurochs for about a half dozen or more matches and saw just how fine a group of saberists they are. They were all taught here and they rock. Take a good look around, if you think you are good at the game and no other good players want to fight you, it may be because you've been branded an exploiter. It doesn't take long. There was a clan that joined the JA that focused on these types of moves (although they weren't the sole users of them on the internet) and made it their fighting style. They weren't fondly accepted by this community. They were all branded exploiters and they left. Don't let this happen to you. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This comment was edited by n00b on Jun 14 2005 06:40pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: You must first learn how to "exploit" (ha) in order to be able to beat it.... It may be easier to understand how to beat them if you can do them yourself, but you certainly don't have to be able to use them just to know how to and be able to beat them. This comment was edited by Setementor on Jun 14 2005 04:28am. |
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Carve - Student 
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Just popped in to say that I agree with whoever said that each Master should only have one Padawan. I don't think there are so many people here that choosing a Padawan is a hard thing to do. I see a lot of players but not many of them would I consider taking on as a Padawan. Then again, I might just be picky. Anyways, the point is -- and always has been -- to take on a Padawan and train them into Knighthood. Once they reach Knighthood, they are no longer your Padawan, but begin to take Padawans themselves. Before you are a Padawan, you take general classes taught by Masters. I don't see how this is impractical for the JA. Maybe I'm just too much of a fanboy? One more thing: How can you say "you've learned to beat exploits"? Have you fought every exploiter? You've certainly learned a way to defeat some exploiters but to say that you've simply "learned to beat" a technique I think is overestimating your abilities (not you in particular, Deqlyn). Holding your own against exploits? Sure, I can understand that. Learning to beat them? I simply don't think that's possible. Someone, somewhere, will be able to out-exploit you (just as someone, somewhere, will be able to beat you with "clean" dueling). _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Jun 14 2005 03:44am. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
nah u dont smooth i learned to beat them before i learned them. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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sm00th! - Student 
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You must first learn how to "exploit" (ha) in order to be able to beat it... keeping students in the dark about these things only breeds ignorance. All I am saying is that people should have their styles restrained in any way aside from those concrete limitations of what is actually possible and not as defined by those who programmed the game. _______________ Go Ahead, Enlighten Yourself. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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One of the Jedi Academy's objectives, as I remember, was to help you understand the game so you can go out on the public servers without running around not knowing what's what and what's going on. The Academy is a great place to just stay and duel in and have some fun with others, but is there anything wrong with going onto some public servers and practicing your techniques there? No, not everyone uses exploits on public servers, but whether people use them or not, it's good to get some practice against all of those styles you may not see often on the JA servers, is it not? You can learn lots from watching people fight. It's not just exploits that are used out there, there are other techniques people use that you could find useful yourself. Also, while I agree with MOTREC that you can figure stuff out for yourself, you can also find stuff to add to your style from watching people in areas you don't do so well in yourself. As an example of that, if I couldn't dodge a swing very well, I could find out how others do it effectively by watching them, then try to do it myself. |
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MOTREC - Student 
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well while my post made have seemed to echo "die exploits die!" which i truly believe in, theres more to it. but as far as now goes all that i see on the pubs is an assful of exploits with no real skill or discipline taken to learn anything else. so therefor its hard not to view this thread as a plug for learning exploits and their counters. *note more to my post than exploits This comment was edited by MOTREC on Jun 14 2005 02:14am. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Motrec - As I stated before this new training method and post is NOT to teach exploits at all. sm00th mentioned it but I never approved his idea of teaching exploits. You have taken someone elses idea and twisted it into my post ... That is understandable though because most people are turned off by exploits and just see it in a post and go anti-exploit crazy. I think you have the wrong idea, you can learn to beat exploits without actually learning them. As you and several others know I have STOPPED exploiting(ask gradius!) And this post is to get ideas from people here that are fresh and new and will help others. So please disinclude my post from exploiting cause it has nothing to do with teaching people how to exploit. And lets drop to use exploits or not to use exploits once and for all now cause that is not this thread. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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MOTREC - Student
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well this thread is interesting. it "seems" to have the ja's best interest at heart. or does it? i mean i respect people's opinions but there are serious holes in this idea/opinion. first off...winning is nice but losing is a keener test of ones grit. i mean after all if you think about it there are only so many moves and so many ways to combine them. exploits and their place... well the teachings of the ja is that of a "respectful duel" not doing what it takes to win. i see you mention "how to defeat exploits" everyone has their own way around them and sometimes it takes a person time to learn this after all the basics first right? "same general style of play"...hmmm well that feels like a shot but ill take your word for it. but know this well my friend...i discovered alot of moves with duals on my own, incorperated them into my style, taught alot of people how to use them and for a while ALOT of people were using duals cuz now they knew how to defeat staff and single. i now find a move a week to add to my style the only diference is i havent shown anyone them as i have to perfect them myself. so as far as same general style of play goes...its ever evolving and changes daily which the jak+ in the past, present, and future will continue to teach. have you even attended classes on a regular basis? have you taken the time to study up on the different styles the jak+ use? come to think of it i saw you in my duals class and had you telling me in front of the whole class how you "already knew this stuff" sort of making the others feel bad for not knowing it in the process. your a great duelist deq but your arrogance outshines your skill for the most part. i think your a good guy deep down but strive for winning on almost a nuerotic scale. have fun ffs. yes we are an anti-exploit community but for good purpose. now i realize its just a game but the respect you learn is the respect you give is the respect you get. sounds complicated? it really isnt. you just pay someone the respect of not using cheap ass moves on someone or as i like to say "laming someone while dueling them" i know this part carries from my previous paragraph, but i could never put enough emphasis on how lame this style of play is. now it gets personal.for those of the ja's past and present, i whole heartedly apologize for what you read here but now i get to let my inner demon out... in all seriousness why this post? i understand wanting improvement,hell im all for it, but the way you describe going about it...you are indirectly saying "hey guys lets learn all the sploitz we can then teach them, then let them decide if they want to duel honorably or not." this is like saying "hey son/daughter heres the keys to my car and my credit card. go do what you feel is right with them" then all they learned is how to use SOMEONE ELSES hard earned money. now while some might do the right thing, a whole hell of alot of others will lose their minds, love it and do it more. im sorry if this 3 week thread felt right to you but to me this sounds seriously like or adjacent to learning and teaching exploits and i for one donot condone this. i pride myself on my ability to adapt and overcome at this game, and sure i may not beable to beat everyone at this game i do know for a fact that for every great gamer there is always one better, faster, and smarter. so no love on this thread and for those of you who chose this style of play, just know this is a really fast way to take the fun out of the game and put it into learning how to cheat. deqlyn while your heart may be in the right place this post, in my eyes, is not. you get much love from me but i dont condone anything other than fair play. while i know there will always be people who use this style of dueling, i also know these are the people that i and my friends here will chose to not duel therefor removing the "leetness" of anyone who exploits. if all you wish for is to show people stuff...then show them how to win a duel appropriately and in a manner that befits a decent gamer. This comment was edited by MOTREC on Jun 14 2005 01:36am. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Aye Demos are a GREAT idea. That would open up alot of different possibilities for New players. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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3th - Retired 
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LOL tido. nice post btw deq _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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