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Ian Jandos - Student  |
With both his hands missing, would it have really been too dangerous to keep him alive? It brings up a question though. Although, I suppose you have to have a human hand to shoot lightning...the choke or other force movements don't require human limbs (i.e. Vader from original trilogy). Maybe with his being betrayed by the Emperor...he may have defected back to the light side. Thoughts? -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Was Count Dooku too dangerous to keep alive?
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Plo Koon - Student 
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El Vee I sure as heck hope that you'd save your squad member/buddies life instead of killing someone who is running away. We're talking about the dooku situation, where he makes a huge tube-like vent fall on Obiwan and Anikan. I really believe that Yoda would rather save two Jedi than kill a Sith apprentice who is running for his life. I also don't think killing Dooku would make much of a difference on the battlefield elsewhere either, droids would still march blindly into battle from the Trade Federation...and the clones would retaliate. 1. Who was the best bet? The best bet was Yoda, since he is a jedi master on the council who has been training for over 800 years. 2. Who won? Yoda won, Dooku ran for his cowardly life. 3. Cost how many lives? Read what I typed above. Jedi are defenders of the defenseless, no matter where. I think we know Yoda enough to say he would rather save a life than end another. 4. I don't think letting Obiwan and Anikan live while letting Dooku run and hide would make much of a difference. 5. Future Darth Vader? No one, not even Anikan himself knew he would succumb to the dark side and become a Sith. The characters in episode II can't watch their futures like we can  El Vee you have some good statements. If Dooku was killed the Death Star plans wouldn't have reached sidius, but without Anikan there'd be no Star Wars.  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Aug 08 2005 05:51am. |
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Ecks - Student 
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Damn... El Vee just pwnt us all lol.  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Your in the army and you talk about leaving a comrad for the mission's sake? i thought the army was all about not leaving a man behind.And Yoda is THE jedi master its in his job to look over ALL the other jedi the council members are the strongest and its in the jedi's nature to protect the weak any ways. thats the difference between dark and light. one focus's on what they need the other focus's on what everybody needs. I was in the Army, I was in the Infantry and I did get deployed to a hostile theater where I was required to complete real world missions that involved active use of my weapon. Now as for the "never leave a man behind" business this is a "feel good" statement, not a combat reality. Oh and BTW the "never..." doesn't mean carry out the bodies, you grab his dog tags and his farewell letter to home, if you can without endangering the mission and/or the team. The Mission is always more important than the men carrying it out. I said in a previous post that unless you served you can't comment on this. Why you can't is cuz you don't know, you are out of your realm of knowledge. Not that you are simply not allowed, its just that you have no frame of reference. Well on to Yoda and his decisions, cuz that is what they are his decisions. He allowed a Sith Lord to escape that probably extended a very bloody conflict. Since you aren't seeing my point, which is that the Jedi, OVERALL, were proud and had lost focus on what was important I will ask you some questions and maybe the answers you come up will help remove any doubt about exactly what I am saying here. Of the three Jedi that faced Dooku in AOTC which one was the best bet to defeat Dooku? Anakin, Obi Wan, or Yoda When Yoda and Dooku were battling during AOTC, who won that duel? Yoda's decision to save Ob and Ani cost how many lives? Were Ob and Ani so valuable to the order that others should be allowed to perish so that they may live? Did Yoda do what was best for the Galaxy by allowing the future Darth Vader to live? I know the answers to these questions, I know you know too. Fact remains the same, as it tends to do. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Lucky Mintaka - Ex-Student 
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Your in the army and you talk about leaving a comrad for the mission's sake? i thought the army was all about not leaving a man behind.And Yoda is THE jedi master its in his job to look over ALL the other jedi the council members are the strongest and its in the jedi's nature to protect the weak any ways. thats the difference between dark and light. one focus's on what they need the other focus's on what everybody needs. _______________ Vasper Adept-1600 Comment Raydoe-150 comment Pink -Floyd 425 comment This comment was edited by Lucky Mintaka on Aug 05 2005 08:29pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: If he didn't save those "couple of wet nose jedi", the sith would rule forever If Yoda had killed or captured Dooku, and Obi Wan and Anakin would then be killed, the events that follow would be different would they not. I don't think Palpy would have survived his duel with Mace if Anakin had been crushed 3 years earlier by Dooku...err, duh I know but remember that Hindsight thing, think about how changes in history will/would effect the future and the present for that matter. Quote: I think saving someone is more important than killing a sleezy cheating dark jedi who is running away. I am right there with you on this, but this isn't how a career soldier would think or act, and unless you know first hand you don't know anything about soldiering at all. Mission comes first, if Yoda's mission were to save or protect those two, OB and ANi, then he accomplished his mission. I believe he let Dooku escape in order to rescue Ob and Ani, and since we know all Jedi swear an oath to destroy the Sith, Yoda basically went against his oath to save lives, very honorable indeed but not the action that would have served the greater good. Which is how a General/Soldier is supposed to think, above and beyond the needs of the few. What happened in the movie is what happened period. I am not disputing George Lucas' vision of his creation, I love the movies all of them pretty much equally. What doesn't fit is how the Jedi get titles of "General" and then don't behave as soldiers under fire would behave. Right or wrong makes no difference to me, what does matter to me, even if it is just a little bit, is that you people, my brothers in JA, know that these Guardians of Peace and Justice are not acting for the greater good, they are acting selfishly and this is why the Force blinded the Jedi of this era and this "looking within" is ultimately what leads to the destruction of the Jedi. The Force abandoned the Prequel Jedi because of thier inability to accept the big picture. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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If he didn't save those "couple of wet nose jedi", the sith would rule forever, and the jedi would be exterminated from history. I think saving someone is more important than killing a sleezy cheating dark jedi who is running away. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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El Vee For - Student
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You are correct, but only in Hindsight, now if Yoda had focused on Dooku and Dooku was defeated on Geonosis the war could have been over right then and there. General Grievous would have never been, and Anakin would have never had to make the decision whether or not Dooku should live or die. Hindsight is powerful but use it to see the big picture brother. A great many things would have been different if Yoda had control over his compassion. A great example is the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, Obi Wan is telling Anakin that the mission comes first... Obi Wan is a better Jedi than Yoda, he has his priorities straight. I used to be in the Army and when you receive a mission your life is about that mission. There is no glory in being killed during a mission but there is honor in doing your duty regardless of the obstacles you must overcome to achieve your goals/missions, even death. Yoda knows that, he trains it into every Padawan he meets, yet he can not practice what he preaches cuz he is not in control of his emotions either. EDIT: I keep thinking about Yoda's actions at the end of Attack of the Clones and the conclusion is disturbing to me, Yoda got off mission and off task and honestly the entire Galaxy suffered for it. Selfish little bugger! LOL Its a movie yeah, but if he had cut down Dooku, instead of rescuing a couple wet nose Jedi the whole thing would have gone a different direction... _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 05 2005 04:38pm. |
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Lucky Mintaka - Ex-Student
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i disagree you see he saved the two jedi that actually took care of dooku so in the real look of it he did the right thing. _______________ Vasper Adept-1600 Comment Raydoe-150 comment Pink -Floyd 425 comment |
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El Vee For - Student
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Dooku was very much a braggard, he loved his new power he felt less old when he tapped into it. He toyed with Obi and Anakin, he toyed to long of course, just imagine Maul having those two on the floor at the same time, he wouldn't have said a word and just turbo ginsu'd them both and then walked out of there instead of running. Yoda should have never let Dooku get away, those young Jedi should have paid the price for taking on a Sith Lord the way that they did and Yoda should have kept his eyes on the prize instead of rescuing the less than adequate "first wave" The loss of two Jedi is worth the capture/destruction of a Sith Lord, Yoda should have known that. It is in this one act that Yoda teaches Anakin the lesson that would change the galaxy, save your friends first kill Sith Lords second... EDIT: To clarify that last statement: Save Padme don't kill Sidious...get it? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 04 2005 05:19pm. |
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Nuebus - Student 
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Quote: Sith kill people, that is what they do. Dooku would have murdered Anakin if givin the chance, without hesitation, being a Sith Lord you would expect little else. I agree with you here, although there is one problem. In Episode 2 when Dooku squared off against Obi and Anakin, it seemed as if he was just toying with them. Watch the duel again and you will see what I'm talking about. Then having dropped both of them, he turned off his saber, and fell into a brief moment of thought as if it wasn't his intentions to kill them after all. Certainly the time in which he had after dropping Anakin he very easily could have killed them both. Maybe he had his own agendas and plans and was using Palpatine as a stepping stone to achieve his own goals and he didn't want to burn any bridges or snuff out any opportunities. After all, the two of them would have made great allies to his cause if he could pursuade them. With Yoda's entrance, all that looks as if it might have been thrown out the window and forced Dooku to flee while Yoda was busy. Yoda may have been able to feel his emotions and read his thoughts if he had stuck around long enough and foiled his whole plan. (This is all pure speculation) Notice how Dooku also paused when running onto his ship. It's almost as if he was waiting to see if Yoda was strong enough in the force to save Obi and Anakin. He might have helped if not. That whole seen just struck me as odd, but I feel as if it might be somewhere along these lines. mmm... same. i personally liked dooku as he was intelligent and didnt pull off mindless killing. dooku seemed a bit lightside as he didnt seem 2 have felt the least bit degeneration in the dark side. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Sith kill people, that is what they do. Dooku would have murdered Anakin if givin the chance, without hesitation, being a Sith Lord you would expect little else. I agree with you here, although there is one problem. In Episode 2 when Dooku squared off against Obi and Anakin, it seemed as if he was just toying with them. Watch the duel again and you will see what I'm talking about. Then having dropped both of them, he turned off his saber, and fell into a brief moment of thought as if it wasn't his intentions to kill them after all. Certainly the time in which he had after dropping Anakin he very easily could have killed them both. Maybe he had his own agendas and plans and was using Palpatine as a stepping stone to achieve his own goals and he didn't want to burn any bridges or snuff out any opportunities. After all, the two of them would have made great allies to his cause if he could pursuade them. With Yoda's entrance, all that looks as if it might have been thrown out the window and forced Dooku to flee while Yoda was busy. Yoda may have been able to feel his emotions and read his thoughts if he had stuck around long enough and foiled his whole plan. (This is all pure speculation) Notice how Dooku also paused when running onto his ship. It's almost as if he was waiting to see if Yoda was strong enough in the force to save Obi and Anakin. He might have helped if not. That whole seen just struck me as odd, but I feel as if it might be somewhere along these lines. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. 
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Nuebus - Student
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Quote: what are you talking about ther is no such thing as desteni every person in the universe thouse ther own path ani forgot that ther is allways hope and took the easy way out and for the sake of the force he killed a defensless man yes dooku was evil and deseverd to die but not like that that it go ageinst everything the jedi code stands for. Simply because you don't believe in destiny does not mean it doesn't exist, and we aren't talking about anything "real" are we??? Normally I don't take offense at anything posted in a forum any where but this one touched me some. To be quoted then slammed is, to me, flaming. Being a well experienced flamer myself I can recognize what is what. Anakin's "destiny" is already in place by the time we watch Revenge of the Sith, so there is no mystery about what decision he will make. Sith kill people, that is what they do. Dooku would have murdered Anakin if givin the chance, without hesitation, being a Sith Lord you would expect little else. Any such demise in the Star Wars Saga would be deemed "thier destiny", it isn't me its George Lucas. So talk to Master Lucas if you wish to discuss the validity of Destiny and its use within the SW movies. You refer to the Jedi Code and its high ideals and values. A set of rules and regulations that may actually have more to do with the destruction of the Jedi than Sidious and Vader ever could. Don't you think, for just a second, that once Anakin made his move on Dooku's neck that this "Code" no longer applies to him. Anakin wanted to kill Dooku, Palpatine merely gave Anakin what he needed to do it, permission. While I understand your OPINION and respect it as such. Since my opinion weighs very little with you, your's will have equal weight with me. Quote: I have nothing more to say about this matter. One can only hope... ha. i agree entirely wit u. personally i never pay any attention 2 Angel's posts mainly because he's grammaticly incorrect most of the time and his posts verge on pointless... just gotta look at my Poems thread... anyway, Anakin was the Chosen One. which also implied Prophecy. Prophecy states something will happen in the future whther it be the near future or far future. Anakin was Prophecised 2 Balance the Force, that was his DESTINY 2 do so, but it never stated anything about what happens on the way. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Ecks - Student 
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Something to add. Every step you take in life may seem under your control, but have you ever had a moment and looked back at all your steps, and went "Whoa, how the hell did I get here, I swore I would end up somewhere else?" That's destiny calling, my friend.  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: what are you talking about ther is no such thing as desteni every person in the universe thouse ther own path ani forgot that ther is allways hope and took the easy way out and for the sake of the force he killed a defensless man yes dooku was evil and deseverd to die but not like that that it go ageinst everything the jedi code stands for. Simply because you don't believe in destiny does not mean it doesn't exist, and we aren't talking about anything "real" are we??? Normally I don't take offense at anything posted in a forum any where but this one touched me some. To be quoted then slammed is, to me, flaming. Being a well experienced flamer myself I can recognize what is what. Anakin's "destiny" is already in place by the time we watch Revenge of the Sith, so there is no mystery about what decision he will make. Sith kill people, that is what they do. Dooku would have murdered Anakin if givin the chance, without hesitation, being a Sith Lord you would expect little else. Any such demise in the Star Wars Saga would be deemed "thier destiny", it isn't me its George Lucas. So talk to Master Lucas if you wish to discuss the validity of Destiny and its use within the SW movies. You refer to the Jedi Code and its high ideals and values. A set of rules and regulations that may actually have more to do with the destruction of the Jedi than Sidious and Vader ever could. Don't you think, for just a second, that once Anakin made his move on Dooku's neck that this "Code" no longer applies to him. Anakin wanted to kill Dooku, Palpatine merely gave Anakin what he needed to do it, permission. While I understand your OPINION and respect it as such. Since my opinion weighs very little with you, your's will have equal weight with me. Quote: I have nothing more to say about this matter. One can only hope... _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 02 2005 08:27pm. |
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Rogue - Student 
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I think he should of tried his best to take Dooku into custody, where the Jedi council could of stripped Dooku of the force. _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Pa'aN - Student 
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Well, mace windu almost did the same thing. WOULD HAVE done the same thing had anakin not stopped him. So i think anakin did the right thing. That's my vote. And just as a note. When palpy said "he's too dangerous to be kept alive", i think he meant for his own sake. Not for the sake of the republic. Maybe he was worried that dooku has realised his scheme to take anakin as his new padawan. _______________  Just Blabbing on about anything coz my connection is too slow for me to play
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Phantom - Student 
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Im sure there are tricks in the force that can be used without the need of hands. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Sa'Un - Student 
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Anakin did the right thing, because He WAS 2 dangerous 2 be left alive..  I think u can shoot lightning out of Ur Foot R smtn... _______________ "I Used to Be Schizophrenic, but We're OK Now..." This comment was edited by Sa'Un on Aug 01 2005 09:41am. |
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angel - Student 
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Quote: The only suffering Anakin endures is that which he brought on himself. His emotions got the best of him and emotion leads to the dark side. He had to kill Dooku it was his destiny. Surely once Dooku had overcome the pain and shock of his injuries he could have brought his incredible power to bear after all we know you don't need hands to use the force. what are you talking about ther is no such thing as desteni every person in the universe thouse ther own path ani forgot that ther is allways hope and took the easy way out and for the sake of the force he killed a defensless man yes dooku was evil and deseverd to die but not like that that it go ageinst everything the jedi code stands for. I have nothing more to say about this matter. _______________ my honor is my life This comment was edited by angel on Jul 27 2005 02:50pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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The only suffering Anakin endures is that which he brought on himself. His emotions got the best of him and emotion leads to the dark side. He had to kill Dooku it was his destiny. Surely once Dooku had overcome the pain and shock of his injuries he could have brought his incredible power to bear after all we know you don't need hands to use the force. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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angel - Student
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ani did not do the right thing what i did was not the way of a jedi but i do not matter becorce ani got to suffer _______________ my honor is my life |
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Phantom - Student 
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Quote: Kill him Do it you all know you want to. His stuiped gray hair wrinkily face with that big cape on it makes him look like a fool so just kill him Dooku would use lighting spam on you if he would read this. Let him lightning all he wants... MUHAHAHA MUHAHAHHA!!!! Man Im really being evil. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Kill him Do it you all know you want to. His stuiped gray hair wrinkily face with that big cape on it makes him look like a fool so just kill him Dude the guy was old... |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Kill him Do it you all know you want to. His stuiped gray hair wrinkily face with that big cape on it makes him look like a fool so just kill him Dooku would use lighting spam on you if he would read this. |
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DarthMike - Student 
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ok, so he didnt get it cut off, he got even less and was still unable to do anything. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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