The Jedi Academy- Palaptines streghnt in the force

Palaptines streghnt in the force

Jul 17 2005 04:21am

Phantom
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You hear all the time that this one is strong in the force, hes strong in the force, shes strong in the force. What I dont get is that is this a dedtection of force in the person or is it that they see how well they can control and use it. And if it is a detection of force in the person, all that time Anikin was around Palpatine how come he couldnt feel his power in the force?
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Jul 21 2005 07:06pm

SaZ
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aww now i understand why even yoda wasnt able to detect dark side of the force within palpatine.
in movies and games we can only see the jedi training. no one knows for sure what things sith are being taught

ofcourse in kotor1 we can see sith academy but it doesnt show too much.

to know something about the force you must be training for like 10 years at minimum. why? most of times jedi training begins at age of 6 or 8 (kid). they become a jedi at age of 20+ (aproximately) so like 10+ years of training.
having this in mind... with 10 years of training Luke > Sidious.

conclusion : i just written absolute nonsense

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This comment was edited by SaZ on Jul 21 2005 07:11pm.

Jul 21 2005 06:29pm

Ecks
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Very interesting theory... I agree with that. Luck is just the ability for somebody to realize an opening and take advantage of it as fast as they can. As for the midi-chlorians, essentially, it is just how well you are connected to the Force. It does not mean you have the mental ability to harness it into a usable form. Often, the most lethal attacks are not really strong - they just attack the weakest point.
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Jul 21 2005 04:14pm

El Vee For
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Strength in the force is about tapping into ones potential. The "midichlorian" count (I agree that midi's were a bad idea with a worse name) indicates potential, training and focus would allow the force user to tap that potential.

As for detecting this gift, using a Sith as my first example: The Sith specialize in hiding their potential, probably some sort of Sith power that is used to mask thier power/skill entirely.

While the Jedi and the Sith for that matter...its is best put in the words of the Venerable Jedi Master Obi Wan Kenobi. "In my experience there is no such thing as luck." So those that are "fortunate" are strong with the force, at least stronger than most. Those trained in the Force can simply see (which is a sense) the sentient's fortune or luck and make the statement "The force is strong with this one." a statement saying that force is protecting and/or aiding them.

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Jul 21 2005 02:42pm

Ecks
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No, Luke just didn't know how to utilize the Force properly to fight Palpatine's Force Lightning. He hadn't trained for more than 4 years, albeit under Yoda, and he was able to fight against Darth Vader. That's quite an achievement.
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Jul 21 2005 05:14am

Jeramia Adept
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Luke wasnt atuned to the force as palpatine was
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Jul 20 2005 05:25pm

Ecks
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Potential does not equal victory. It is a measure of raw power, but power means beans in a can if not properly utilized. Palpatine was more "powerful" than Luke, because Luke could not stand up to him, although Luke had the higher midi-chlorian count.
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Jul 20 2005 04:44pm

DarthMike
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size did too matter had yoda been bigger he could of held on to that platform thing instead of fallin off. Also, they jedi were looking for a sith, and they did suspect palpatine. When ani finds out that palpatine is a sith, he said it was "the one weve been looking for". They obviously did suspect palpatine, since they wanted ani to spy on him. Palps was just smart and kept it hidden. Personally, i dont think the jedi can really (at least during ep 1-3) have the ability to detect force power. For instance, Qui gon had to find ani's midichlorian count to know he was strong. The jedis had to run tests on him before they could declare him "strong in the force". I think Palps was the only one who could truly recognize great power just by sensing it. I bet the jedi were slackin off.

And how do you conclude that?
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Jul 20 2005 03:03pm

SaZ
- Student

just a reminder :
midichlorians is one of mistakes george made

Jul 20 2005 02:49pm

Ataris
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Jul 20 2005 02:35pm

Ecks
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Quote:

Yoda was at a considerable disadvantage being smaller

Size matters not, hehehe how emberrasing, how emberrasing.

It matters when your body mass is less than your opponent. Yoda, being smaller, was propelled further back by the explosion caused by Palps' force lightning.

Yoda's spewing of size not mattering is a sign of his arrogance. Size always matters, perhaps not directly, but there will be a factor where a certain size would have an advantage.
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Jul 19 2005 10:52pm

Dash Starlight
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Size matters not

I hope so, Im just 1m63

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Jul 19 2005 09:31pm

DarthMike
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Jul 19 2005 09:24pm

Plo Koon
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Quote:

Yoda was at a considerable disadvantage being smaller

Size matters not, hehehe how emberrasing, how emberrasing.
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Jul 19 2005 04:37pm

Ataris
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ah yeah, palpatine is a huge exploiter lol

using the force like that... tss tss, very unfair!

Jul 19 2005 04:22pm

Ecks
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Once again... I don't like to refer to the books as canonical, because different authors write them. I really did not like the ROTS novelization, as the author was very biased towards the Jedi, seeming to favour the Sith, and changed certain scenes to fit his own plot.

And Yoda was more powerful than Palpatine. In the movie, the proof is there. Palpatine had to resort to Force tricks to stave off Yoda, as opposed to lightsaber battle. So, Yoda is the better duelist. In terms of Force Powers, as we saw, both were evenly matched, and Yoda was at a considerable disadvantage being smaller. Palpatine had to run away, and then finally shoot lightning at Yoda. It appears Palpatine has no other combat skill other than abusing Force Lightning, and even then, he could not truly hit Yoda with it.
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This comment was edited by Ecks on Jul 19 2005 04:22pm.

Jul 19 2005 03:31pm

Ataris
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Hmm, according to some stuff I've read, Dantius Palpatine aka. Darth Sidious, was about as strong in the force as Yoda, only difference that he had a kyber crystal which gave him more power, therefor making him stronger.. Now, midi-chlorians indicate potential to mold the force, and it's here where Anakin was superior.. While Yoda and Mace Windu were the wisest amongst Jedi masters, Anakin just had good promise..

And even if Yoda and Windu were incredibly strong in the force, they could not sense something like Palpatine.. My explanation would be that no Jedi, unless on a mission or with a purpose, tries to "scan" the minds of others, or tries to find out something like someone being a Sith.. The Jedi had no reason to suspect Palpatine, and no reason to "scan" him.. And with the Jedi's having no threat whatsoever for such a long period of time, as Yoda said, their ability to use the Force was weakened.. They started to rely on the Force telling them stuff, like "spider-sense" if you may.. So they didn't try to find out something like "who's the sith"..

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Jul 18 2005 03:11pm

Ecks
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Once again, Yoda may have been more powerful, but it doesn't mean smarter, and it certainly doesn't give him the ability to sense cloaked Force ability. Palpatine was prolly the most cunning Sith Lord other than Revan, so I'm sure he knew Yoda's weakness - that is, his slight arrogance, and exploited it.
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Jul 18 2005 02:41pm

SaZ
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yoda was as powerful (even more powerful imo)
as sidious

now how the hell he couldnt sense anything?
*kills george*
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Jul 18 2005 02:34pm

Ecks
- Student

When you're that old, you figure out things. I'm sure a guy who could calculate millions of possible outcomes and shoot a bloody storm from his fingers could probably figure out a way to keep himself cloaked, wouldn't you say?
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Jul 18 2005 01:02pm

Phantom
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George messes up everything
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Jul 18 2005 12:55pm

SaZ
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books are for nerds and all who doesnt read
will think...WTF? hows that? george messed somethin again...
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Jul 18 2005 02:07am

(SKX) Dark Blade
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Actually, the jedi have the ability to cloak their force ability. In the books, they constantly talk of this.
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Jul 17 2005 07:35pm

Jeramia Adept
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its like playing sports man, the more you do it the better you are at it.
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Jul 17 2005 05:07pm

DarthMike
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i thin it means they have a high midichlorian count and/or are just good. Sidy never showed his power, so they didnt know.
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This comment was edited by DarthMike on Jul 17 2005 06:48pm.

Jul 17 2005 06:01am

Plo Koon
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The Dark Side clouds everything...everything...
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