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Fate - Student  |
http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=13017 I'm very disappointed in the site staff for recent events. A long time member is wronged on irc and all you have to say is Quote: aron: ? No explanation of why Lianiotte was banned on irc? No explanation of why "screw you" is so terrible to put in a thread name? Not even an explanation of how long the ban will be or whether or not it's permanent?blablabla Quote: From the Jedi Academy rule's page: If you are caught violating these, it will result in an official JA warning. You only get one warning. If you violate the rules again you will be banned from the Academy. Excuse me if I'm blind, but I saw no "official JA warning". You know, I when I came to this community over two years ago it had things that I couldn't find anywhere else. A caring staff who were people friendly and who wanted to enhance the game for everyone. The servers were passworded and the staff used the admin mod not because they were on a power trip or wanted to control everyone who visited this community. The reason these restrictions were in place was because they wanted to keep out the trollers, spammers, and lamers who make games like JK2 and JK3 impossible to enjoy. If someone caused trouble on the server, such as laming, they were kicked. Repeated offenses became a ban. There was no screaming, no swearing, no anger, just action. Players mirrored this level of respect for other individuals and the happiness of others. Lianiotte has been a contributing member of this community for as long as I've been here. She deserved better than this. A warning would have sufficed. Admins have more power than the simple ban button. Admins also have a responsibility to utilize their powers in such a way that helps the situation rather than hurts it. It all comes down to the simple question, why do we have rules in the first place? "So that if Player Such and Such annoys me I can get rid of them" or is it "So that the enjoyment of a maximum number of people can be realized to its fullest"? I'm aware that all of my words might have little or no impact at all, but I hope you'll at least consider the effect you're having on others. I'm hanging up my lightsaber for now because this place is no longer the place I once knew. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Aron - Retired 
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I'll be very short about this. First of all, there is no need for a staff member to explain the reasons for a kick or ban to the public. Secondly: You were right, Lianiotte has been a member for a long time. That is EXACTLY why she should have known better. Before creating the post she created, she knew VERY well what the consequences could have been. Thirdly: another reason why she should have known that, is because she is the recordholder of bans in the academy. I am not even overreacting here. The admin-level comments on her profile outnumber those of EVERYONE. That is also a reason why a warning was not only unneeded, but even out of the question. Lianiotte has had so many warnings in the past, which she decided to ignore over and over. For those reasons, she has been banned more than once; not only from IRC, but also the Academy. The staff has actually been quite nice on her, seeing the fact that she was given so many chances. If this would have happened with a student who would not have this "record" of disbehaviour, this would most likely not have been a ban, but in the case of Lianiotte, there are many other factors that totally justify this ban. As for the "bla bla bla" reply: I posted something else in advance, which have probably mis-interpreted a lot worse. Does the 'bla bla bla' has a negative tone in it? Definately. And that was exactly what I ment with it. I considered, and still consider that thread and the constant fuss around this kind of stuff totally gibberish, and at times like that I am simply fed up with it. I will not apologize for that, simply because I do not see why I should. If you feel I do, that's too bad for you. The 'bla bla bla' does not imply I am a person lacking respect. It implies I hate this kind of bull, and that the respect I have or had for people who constantly explore the borders is definately not the same amount of respect that any other student would be getting. This comment was edited by Aron on Jul 20 2005 03:14pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Even make a model with those cool hats! That's what Aron wanted.  _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: I hear time and time again about how the JA has changed. However, what no one mentions is how the biggest change isn't in the JAK+; it's in the students. The JAK+ doing their job and banning people like Lian isn't what's wrong with the JA. Things that are wrong is stuff like older students thinking they have some kind of superiority over newer ones. I can't tell you how depressing it is to hear a fellow student exclaim about how long he has been in the JA, as if he felt like he deserved something for that. I watch this line get used all the time. Older students use it to discredit the opinions of newer students, to argue against admin action, and to create a sense of superiority amongst their peers. Trivial things like the 'oldbie council' and 'oldbie's unite' are nice in that they bring back old friends, but they shun and exclude the new students. It stinks how the older students don't look at the newer ones and remember that they were once new students in the Academy as well. Anyways I just wanted to get that off my chest Your right Tido, the student body has change. The JAK+ has changed as well. As I said before, the students attitude will reflect how he is taught. Not that I'm using my long time here to overshadow any of the new members in any way. I always try to help anyone who asks it of me, as do a lot of others. But I remember when this place was much more strict. Not to the point of not being fun. Quite the opposite really. disrespect was not tolerated they way it has been here lately. I know some of you are saying "I havent seen any" or just brush what I just said to the side. Thats ur choice. Something I've seen alot of is people coming in off the pubs wearing their CLAN tags and treating newer less experienced players like dirt. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that when I first arrived here. As far as the banning goes, I for one have no problem with it. Sometimes I don't think theres enough of it. I think it would be great if the JAK's roamed the servers like Drill Sgt's whipin this place back into shape. Even make a model with those cool hats! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Hardwired - Retired 
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As the author of the rules I will throw my moneys worth. Mind you. This isn't anything that hasn't already been said. You get a warning before a ban, this is true. But for one thing. The warning needs to in no way be public and it seldome is. The person that it affects is aware of it and the staff is. Secondly is that Lian, as stated earlier, has been banned several times before and was let back in under a probation basis if you will. Meaning that is she goes of the handle again there will be harsh followings. I assure you that the rules are followed to the letter by all staff members. That has always been the case. Instead of questioning the decitions I would urge a little more turst in the staffs judgements. They often possess a larger picture than the general population and make carefully weighted decitions on everything. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Fate should have come to the JAK+, surely, but who? Who do you talk to? That would be me, the resident agony aunt of the JA No matter that the problem, what the size or topic if you have a problem im more than happy to help -JaikoD'Kana- Same with me. All of the JAK+ are here for that. If you have a problem with a specific JAK+, including a JAC, I would recommend going to that person first in a friendly, civilized manner. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Quote: Fate should have come to the JAK+, surely, but who? Who do you talk to? That would be me, the resident agony aunt of the JA No matter that the problem, what the size or topic if you have a problem im more than happy to help -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) This comment was edited by Jaiko D'Kana on Jul 20 2005 11:56pm. |
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sm00th! - Student 
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I do somewhat feel as if the quality and clarity of message among the jak's has fallen to the wayside slightly. I think a good indicator of this is the frequency of admins either going incognito as well as the many who do not wear their correct rank tags consistently. A good parallel to this would be the undercover cop versus the regular cop. While they are both cops, the undercover cop seeks to find wrongdoers whereas the regular police officer serves to help the public in general and his mere prescence is enough to knock any sane criminal into line. _______________ Go Ahead, Enlighten Yourself. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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First off I want to make one thing clear I did not argue about the fact whether or not the ban was justified. I too think it was. I was just upset by the "blablabla" part and THAT is where I agreed with Fate. Second, I owe Aron an apology, and it was Buzz that made me see this by his post. You have totally convinced me the reason of Aron's reaction, and I'm sorry to have made such a problem of it Aron. You were right. But still I have to say that everything would have been better than "blablabla", but what's done is done, and old cows have no use drowning in a ditch Quote: In the JA today, it is becoming too common for someone to be banned and the first assumption is admin-abuse. I also want to make it clear that I did not think Aron "abused" his powers in any way. Quote: Very wrong move on your part by starting this thread, Fate. You should've came straight to a JAK+. For shame indeed, directed towards you. But I don't think Fate deserves this comment. Yes, in the end, he made the same mistake as Lian by taking it to the forums. But he should not be ashamed of doing this, nor should any shame be put upon him because of it. Look at Jaiko's comment. He seems somehow glad that Fate has done this, because he gained an insight in the student's mind. Fate should have come to the JAK+, surely, but who? Who do you talk to? This is the exact problem that I usually face. Who can you talk to about your problems? If you want to complain about Aron (not that I wanted or anything, just using it as an example here) who do you go to? It's not as easy as it sounds just talking to someone. It's not like you can just pick one out at random. This is a problem that has to be faced sometime by the JAK+, because I am 100% positively sure that more students face this problem. Somehow I get the feeling that the JAK+ from now, are more remote than they used to be (as in the JK2 days, for example). but like Tido say the fault may lie with the student-body as well. I do not disagree that a lot has changed because of the students. One last thing I'd like to point out is that I did not want to question the authorities here at the JA. I agree with the rules and how they are maintained. I'm sorry for my rash behaviour towards Aron, and the entire JAK+ body. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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MOTREC - Student 
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wow. i read the thread lian made and its surprisingly tame considering her past endeavors. ive seen things come from that persons fingers that almost made ME blush.(*note ALMOST) which segways to my next point which is: if you think you have earned the right to act in a less than appropriate manner just because you have been here a while (which is totally how lian handles herself) then you really need to rethink your position or if you cant get past it, leave. as far as lian contributing goes... the only person she really contributed to was herself in thinking that she could speak her mind here ANY WAY she saw fit. i hope for hers and all our sakes she doesnt become the new ja yo-yo. knowing your place = shutting your mouth (hard lesson learned for me, but learned well) nothing but love guys and fate quitting over this is not a fight well fought. stick around and see what happens. you might be surprised. burn rubber not your soul... MO |
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Azrael - Student 
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I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. But I have a small tidbit of advice. If you are banned from the Academy for misbehaving, the least you could do would be write a well thought out letter of apology to the staff and whoever else you offended, instead of posting a topic named "Screw You" The community here seems to be to be exactly as you described it earlier in your post and I'm sorry to see that you are leaving the academy because of it. Take care fellow Jedi. _______________ The first step to knowing everything is knowing that you know nothing. The first step to knowing nothing is thinking that you know everything. If I'm going to suffer, I might as well suffer in a way that makes someone else happy. Never argue with an idiot. They'll lower you to their level and beat you with experience. This comment was edited by Azrael on Jul 20 2005 10:43pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Very wrong move on your part by starting this thread, Fate. You should've came straight to a JAK+. For shame indeed, directed towards you. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Tido - Student 
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From reading all this and knowledge from my experience as a Knight, I believe firmly the JAC are in the right here. Lian made it her business to cause controversy and push every boundary she could find. The only thing that is truely for shame here is how she spat in the faces of those who forgave her the first time. Perhaps the worst part of all of this is the fact we make posts like this. In the JA today, it is becoming too common for someone to be banned and the first assumption is admin-abuse. The major complaint is typically that the JAK+ didn't make the reasons or causes of the ban public. There are very good reasons why admin matters are not made public. Afterall, shielding us from the bs is exactly what the JAK+ do. They deal with crap everyday so the rest of us don't have to. To us everything is bright and shiny in the JA, but there probably isn't a single day that goes by without the JAK+ having to address an unfavorable character. It's a crappy job and I know it can be really depressing for the JAK+. It makes it even worse when they spend all this time trying to keep the JA clean and the students they work for turn and point an accusing finger at them. I hear time and time again about how the JA has changed. However, what no one mentions is how the biggest change isn't in the JAK+; it's in the students. The JAK+ doing their job and banning people like Lian isn't what's wrong with the JA. Things that are wrong is stuff like older students thinking they have some kind of superiority over newer ones. I can't tell you how depressing it is to hear a fellow student exclaim about how long he has been in the JA, as if he felt like he deserved something for that. I watch this line get used all the time. Older students use it to discredit the opinions of newer students, to argue against admin action, and to create a sense of superiority amongst their peers. Trivial things like the 'oldbie council' and 'oldbie's unite' are nice in that they bring back old friends, but they shun and exclude the new students. It stinks how the older students don't look at the newer ones and remember that they were once new students in the Academy as well. Anyways I just wanted to get that off my chest  . |
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Henkes - Student 
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Fleb! There are rules... please follow them... if you don't it's bye bye! You don't like the rules? Get out! Easy like that! Sorry about the harshness, but i'm getting really pissed off at threads that question the integrity of our staff members... They do a fantastic job. Please give them some credit, without them this place would be another flame forum/public server _______________ Get on your feet and do the Funky Alfonzo! This comment was edited by Henkes on Jul 20 2005 09:39pm. |
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CuZzA - Student 
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Quote: Excuse me if I'm blind, but I saw no "official JA warning". If you saw an official JA warning you'd be seeing things you shouldn't be. Warnings come in the forms of e-mails to the student and a comment on their profile you can't see. Jaiko was right on Lian being on a 99.999% warning. We've been extremely lenient on her in the past despite her having this. So if you're going to leave the academy over the JAC's showing probably the most compassion and respect to someone who spit in our faces about it all the time then you're clearly looking at this from the wrong position. Buzz tbph i think what Fate is trying to show you is the fact that that rule is there and no pulic warning was given...thats all. and i agree with Jacen (ugh..) _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Quote: Lianiotte has been a contributing member of this community for as long as I've been here. She deserved better than this. Ehhhh? Allow me to quote myself, as I wrote on her profile: Quote: I'd just like to point out, it's not like for every year you're around the JA, you receive a "get out of jail"-freecard... Really, how come people keep getting surprised—even outraged—when someone with a lower profile ID than 5000 gets banned? This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Jul 20 2005 08:24pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: Excuse me if I'm blind, but I saw no "official JA warning". If you saw an official JA warning you'd be seeing things you shouldn't be. Warnings come in the forms of e-mails to the student and a comment on their profile you can't see. Jaiko was right on Lian being on a 99.999% warning. We've been extremely lenient on her in the past despite her having this. So if you're going to leave the academy over the JAC's showing probably the most compassion and respect to someone who spit in our faces about it all the time then you're clearly looking at this from the wrong position. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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AvaloN - Student 
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Quote: In my OPINION, I've seen abuse and disrespect from both sides. I've seen students openly and publicly disrespect JAM's on the server. Laming, and cursing are at a new level I've never seen in the academy until now. And I know this one has no imortance to most but..Sploits are at an all new high. Ive also seen JAK+ brush people aside. Seen them abuse server powers. Make disrespectful comments to people when they are the ones who we should be learning from. Made comments about students not needing to know. Then u must be on at totally different times than me. Ive been with the Academy (and the game itself) for 2 months now. Ive been on almost everyday, most of the time for several hours. Sure ive seen some small arguments that got out of hand a bit, but nothing as bad as u claim it to be. Same goes for the sploitz. Im not saying that u are talking rubbish, its just that i find your story hard to believe. i dont think its that bad at all. But of course, I could be too blind/ignorant to see it. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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Great points brought across there, and thank you Im glad this thread hasnt turned into a flame war, and ive certanly gained some insight, for that thankyou. The JAK+ are always open to constructive critisism and are always looking for new ways to improve this little community. There are obvious areas which you have voiced concern and these will be addressed. I hope this matter is resolved but if ther eare any more quierys i am available to talk to either on IRC or on msn (smidge2260@hotmail.com). Take care guys -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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I'll just start off by saying that Lian and I never saw eye to eye. Honestly i steared clear of her cause her attitude in the forums was all the info I needed about her. But I still have a point of view. Quote: Now alot of people may not understand but all the staff here at the JA are voluntary, recieving no pay, or real incentive to do their job. And to be honest it isnt an easy one. Well Jaiko, thats right, they are "voluntary" positions and by voluntary thats means anyone who takes them can hang their hat up anytime. But while holding that position, the job is to be done. The incentive is the feeling they get from being a vital part of this community, which I think has seen better times. Anyone who doesn't want their job anymore is free to pass the torch on. I've been a member here for almost as long as it's been around. I admit the academy isn't what it once was. I hope things will change for the better. I'm sure the point of views are a bit different when it comes to you or any other ranked members who been JAK, JAT, JAM,.....but when students who have been here for just as long, they /we see things from a different level. In my OPINION, I've seen abuse and disrespect from both sides. I've seen students openly and publicly disrespect JAM's on the server. Laming, and cursing are at a new level I've never seen in the academy until now. And I know this one has no imortance to most but..Sploits are at an all new high. Ive also seen JAK+ brush people aside. Seen them abuse server powers. Make disrespectful comments to people when they are the ones who we should be learning from. Made comments about students not needing to know. I think I'll end it on a quote from my 12 grade art teacher. A woman I highly respect for the things she taught me about art. "A student's actions will reflect what that student has been taught. One cannot learn to be disrespectful all by them selves." _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: I think most people (including myself) just don't know enough to go around accusing Aron (and other ranked members) of making bad decisions or disrespecting people. When you know the full story, then come back and complain. Don't get me wrong... 1) I'm not saying it was a bad decision of banning her. She insulted heavily (and all I read was one quote) 2) I did not say he disrespected anyone (besides Lian a bit). I just don't think it was appropriate. But I can't change it. I'm shuttign up right now. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Quote: ...dealing with troublemakers only takes our attention away from the people who actually want to have fun within the rules and who want to learn. Very well said. I think a lot of people needed to hear that. It seems to me that people think the staff finds if funny to ban members of the Academy. I strongly believe - and hope - that this is not the case. I think we should trust the actions the staff takes. If all the decicions they made were wrong, this place would probably not exist anymore, would it? _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Not wishing to start a flame war or anything - but I understand and Aron's actions/POV entirely and personally don't see anything wrong with the way it was handled. I think most people (including myself) just don't know enough to go around accusing Aron (and other ranked members) of making bad decisions or disrespecting people. When you know the full story, then come back and complain. Just my two cents, feel free to disect/disregard/throw at Gradius/etc. _______________ Website |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Lianiotte stood out from a lot of people on IRC. I know there aren't many of you who visit the IRC channel here, but that's where a lot of it has been going on. I'm not sure I can remember how many times I've seen Lianiotte kicked and warned for offenses on IRC. Sure she was fun, but she was getting quite out of hand at times. So, as much as it may look like it was a small thing, you'd probably have had to have been on IRC to fully understand the reasons behind her ban. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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I have to admit that I was disappointed at this ban as well, in the manner in which it was taken. "bla bla bla" => This could have been handled better. While I'm sure, like Jaiko said, it gets tiresome, I also heard on IRC that she was into an argument with another person. Yes, she shoudln't have taken it to the forums, I agree, but at least it could have been closed-off better, even if the result stayed the same. Quote: In other words best behaviour is a must. True ... but I feel this also counts for the JAK+. I can understand that it must be VERY tiresome to be a JAK and deal with all the troublemakers, I really do. But "bla bla bla" ? Not correct behaviour in my case. I'm sorry, but I heavily disagree with this kind of behaviour. I wouldn't accept it from a student, and neither from a ranked member. Also, I saw Lian's profile. If you don't have anything nice to say, refrain from posting and saving me (and other members I'm sure) the annoyance of reading "bye bye "Though I don't remember a JAK+ posting this, I just thought I'd put it in as well. Quote: Lianiotte has been a contributing member of this community for as long as I've been here. She deserved better than this. A warning would have sufficed. In Lian's case I guess the warning was the temporary ban from IRC. But I'll agree, it should have at least contained a message why she was kicked out. it might have prevented that thread Quote: I'm hanging up my lightsaber for now because this place is no longer the place I once knew. I almost did the same to be honest. The good mood I had was ruined pretty much that day. And I know soon Aron, Virtue, Buzz, or anyone with thread-closing powers will walk in here and close it, so the point of this thread will be lost anyway ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Well im not going to start this off as a flame thread, actually quite the opposite id like to take this opportunity to try and understand your view point. Lianiotte although being at the academy for a long time, also took a pride in testing the boundarys. Personally i experianced this on more than one occasion and although not publically warned lianiotte was warned privatly on numourous occasions. As far as im aware Lianiotte was also banned a while ago and was let back with what we call a 99.9% warning.....in other words best behaviour is a must. Although this is all from memory, i could be wrong. Now alot of people may not understand but all the staff here at the JA are voluntary, recieving no pay, or real incentive to do their job. And to be honest it isnt an easy one. We like to see people having a great time and enjoying the facilitys the Academy has to offer, its amazing. But im sure you can understand that dealing with "repeat offenders" gets very time consuming and tiresome very quickly. Even so, many people will be aware at the messures the JAK+ go through before we ban people, it isnt a snap decision. If someone is out of line there are a whole series of procedures we go through before an ban is concidered. When people have had numerous warnings and show no sign of change we then concider a ban, dealing with troublemakers only takes our attention away from the people who actually want to have fun within the rules and who want to learn. We find this unacceptable. "power trip" ....thats actually one ive notheard of in a while. Ive been at the JA for 2 years now, and ive seen pretty much all angles you can look at. Ive been a student, a knight , a trainer and now a JAM. Its easy to think that given the responsibility people may abuse it......but thats not the case. Admin abuse is very much frowned upon within the ranks of the academy and we keep a very close eye on it. If you feel a JAK+ is using their abilitys in an unjust manner please dont hesitate to email or message another ranked member about it. We really do care about the students, after all thats the real reason we are here I hope ive managed to expain at least a portion of this to you, but if you would like to talk further on this subject please dont hesitate to come find me, or add me to msn Take Care -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) This comment was edited by Jaiko D'Kana on Jul 20 2005 02:46pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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