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Ian Jandos - Student  |
I suppose there is not a clear cut answer to this. However, I'd like to see what opinions are out there. Obi-Wan and Anakin seemed to be an equal match, perhaps Anakin on flat ground might be better...but considering he lost his cool, perhaps that would happen in a different scenario as well. Dooku, a viable contender, but if Anakin could beat him, then he obviously doesn't rank at the top. Additionally, Palpatine, who diced several Jedi quickly could not dispatch Windu, even with force aiding him. Yoda, who held his own with Palpatine and Dooku did not demonstrate onscreen at least, the ability to land any blows. Whereas Windu was able to win his duel w/Palpatine. Then there are wild cards such as Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, and Luke Skywalker. Maul obviously was very talented, but did not prove he could overpower a youthful Obi-Wan with his saber alone. I wouldn't necessarily give Obi-Wan the advantage, but that brings up enough doubt for me to rank Maul out of contention. Qui-Gon-Jinn, obviously since he died, that kind of takes him down a notch as well. Luke, I would consider to be in the same boat as his father, with the exception that his lack of formal training would probably give him less rank. Sure he bested his father, but that victory came over a simply less capable saberist due to Vader's reliance of robotic limbs. Luke's "win" only came through rage more than say his control. Having said all of that, my vote is for Mace Windu. A solid, polished saberist, who should have been the one that ended the Sith. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives This post was edited by Ian Jandos on Jul 22 2005 10:13pm. |
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Axio - Student 
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i definately think mace would be the best hands down. His use of vaapad puts him very close to the darkside being that he "uses" his anger, yet he does not cross the threshold because his anger does not use him. He is still in control. Just because he lost a battle doesn't mean that the winner was hands down better. There is a chance even for the weakest opponent to win. That's why it's called chance. A possibility. Well thats's my opinion anyways. _______________ Official Strongbad with loyal The Cheat See Here Duct tape is like the force: It has a dark side and a light side and it holds the universe together |
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Ecks - Student 
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Bah those Jedi were pathetic  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Eica - Student 
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Palpatine killed 3 jedi on his own cmon hes the best _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Ecks - Student
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Pfft I'm one of them methodical, no fancy stuff swordsmen. Parry as far as I'm concerned is just a fanciful block that gives you time to breathe - or creates an opening. Ripost... I don't even know what that means... It sounds like something to do with sliding your sword off the opponent's blade in a parry and counter-striking. An odd difference as well is the different dueling timing in the OT and the PT. In OT, the duels were mostly single-time, i.e., one person would attack, they would break, and then the opponent would continue. But in the PT, it was double-time dueling, and they kept fighting back and forth. You'd think that as the chronology played out, people would have expanded on double-time dueling, as opposed to going back to single-time. Go figure.  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: block and counterattack. also called parry and ripost. If yer interested in talking like a swordsman._______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Ecks - Student
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Well if you look at the Grievous duel, and consider the fact that not even Windu could defeat Grievous, Obi-Wan did extremely well. He was able to defend against four arms with a single saber, and still have the presence of mind to find an opening in Grievous' defenses - that's a textbook defensive style, block and counterattack. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: If we use the above "classes" of defense and offense, I would pick Obi Wan for defense, his calm a poise in the face of General Grievous and Darth Vader proves his skills in defense are unmatched. For Offense I have to pick Palpatine/Darth Sidious, simply cuz he took down 3 of 4 Jedi quickly, Now Mace was an excellent match for Sidious but I don't think that Sidious was trying to defeat Windu, he was toying with him in order to get Anakin into the mix to see where the chosen one's loyalties lie. Well when it comes to Obi-Wan and Grevious, I think Obi-Wan knew the troops were there. He made a face just b4 he took his robe off like "Ok, it's cool to whoop on em now, my boys are here" Another thing with Jedi combat is that they can sense each other, so it really boils down to who makes the first mistake due to how they use that sense. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Well the movie's duels were actually quite unrealistic. I could count at least 5 instances where Obi could have killed Anakin, and in EP2, when Dooku cuts off Anakin's arm with that showy spin move... Anakin was holding his saber in mid-air, waiting for it lol. The unfortunate side effect of "acting" is that the opponents aren't really trying to kill each other. A real lightsaber duel probably wouldn't last very long considering the power of these weapons.So, strictly from a technical point of view, Mace or Obi has the best style. Mace has the ultimate offensive style, since all of it's movements are precise, yet they do not flow, making them unpredictable. Obi... well, I'll bow down to the person who could break through his defenses without using Force powers. (yes, I'm sure Obi could beat Dooku in a rematch without Force powers). If we use the above "classes" of defense and offense, I would pick Obi Wan for defense, his calm a poise in the face of General Grievous and Darth Vader proves his skills in defense are unmatched. For Offense I have to pick Palpatine/Darth Sidious, simply cuz he took down 3 of 4 Jedi quickly, Now Mace was an excellent match for Sidious but I don't think that Sidious was trying to defeat Windu, he was toying with him in order to get Anakin into the mix to see where the chosen one's loyalties lie. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 16 2005 05:20pm. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Quote: I know nothin of the bs EU styles you all talk about but when comes to the offical star wars (what comes from Lucas not random schmuckatellis) I have to pick Yoda, yes he didnt defeat P-dawg but his skill was incredible. Now your all saying..."but he never hits anyone." Well if you were 2 foot 2 with a saber half the size of anyone else you'd have some trouble too! Yoda is a master of defense, you will never be able to strike him down with your saber, only way your taking him down is to remove his saber...so when it comes to saberists...Yoda for the win So safe to say that Windu is master of offense and Yoda defense? _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Ecks - Student
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Well the movie's duels were actually quite unrealistic. I could count at least 5 instances where Obi could have killed Anakin, and in EP2, when Dooku cuts off Anakin's arm with that showy spin move... Anakin was holding his saber in mid-air, waiting for it lol. So, strictly from a technical point of view, Mace or Obi has the best style. Mace has the ultimate offensive style, since all of it's movements are precise, yet they do not flow, making them unpredictable. Obi... well, I'll bow down to the person who could break through his defenses without using Force powers. (yes, I'm sure Obi could beat Dooku in a rematch without Force powers). _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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I know nothin of the bs EU styles you all talk about but when comes to the offical star wars (what comes from Lucas not random schmuckatellis) I have to pick Yoda, yes he didnt defeat P-dawg but his skill was incredible. Now your all saying..."but he never hits anyone." Well if you were 2 foot 2 with a saber half the size of anyone else you'd have some trouble too! Yoda is a master of defense, you will never be able to strike him down with your saber, only way your taking him down is to remove his saber...so when it comes to saberists...Yoda for the win  _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Aug 16 2005 06:26am. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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I thought about Mace's lightsaber color after reading in the NJO books about Anakin's saber being purple. These two individuals style of combat (although Anakins maybe due to his youth) was close but not on the dark side. Both stood out among the Jedi. Both were looked up to. Both lost their lives fighting for what was right. Quite amazing huh? _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Quote: Allow me to tell you.... (btw, this is just an idea) A Few Facts: On one hand we have... -Mace Windu Uses Vapaad (sp)A for form lightsabre combat which nearly touches the darkside. -Mace is a badass "I dont think so", "party's over" and shows no mercy towards evil. On the other... - Mace is one of the most capable and senior Jedi, he is wise and strong in the force. - He is an idol to younger Jedi and everyone else. Now Tell me....... What colour do you get if you mix Red and Blue ? ......Purple Very good point Rogue. LoL I'm ashamed to say I never thought of that and i'ma SW buff  _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Rogue - Student 
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Quote: Well mace does have the only unique color blade. Whats that say? Allow me to tell you.... (btw, this is just an idea) A Few Facts: On one hand we have... -Mace Windu Uses Vapaad (sp)A for form lightsabre combat which nearly touches the darkside. -Mace is a badass "I dont think so", "party's over" and shows no mercy towards evil. On the other... - Mace is one of the most capable and senior Jedi, he is wise and strong in the force. - He is an idol to younger Jedi and everyone else. Now Tell me....... What colour do you get if you mix Red and Blue ? ......Purple _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. This comment was edited by Rogue on Aug 15 2005 09:34pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Well mace does have the only unique color blade. Whats that say? that he travelled a lot and found it somewhere _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Ecks - Student
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That he has a frivolous choice of colours? _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Well mace does have the only unique color blade. Whats that say? _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: /me slaps akkarin yoda a perhaps can beat him wit the help of force but dooku? no way. Makashi < Vaapad all the way!!!!!  dooku is noob _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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i would have t say mace windo or obi-wan _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Nuebus - Student 
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/me slaps akkarin yoda a perhaps can beat him wit the help of force but dooku? no way. Makashi < Vaapad all the way!!!!! _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Akkarin - Student 
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if anyone has read those visual dctionaries for the movies i think it said in one that mace was a great saberist that could only be bested by 2 ppl, yoda a dooku. however, though i havn't read the ep 3 book yet, my friend has and he said that when mace fights palpy he reaches a new level with vapaad and becomes "one" with it. so maybe at that point he is the greatest saberist |
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Ecks - Student
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Quote: Actually keep defending yourself until your opponent gets tired ... then use the energy you still have to strike Have a friend come at you, striking at you repeatedly with something soft. Try to block all his attacks with a soft object of your own (you can't use your hands, only the object), or dodge them. If he touches you, you're dead. You can't attack back. See how long you last, and see who gets tired first. That's what a real lightsaber duel would be like if you just defended and your opponent attacked. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Nuebus - Student 
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Quote: He wasnt at his full potential when he was beaten, It would of been hard to fight against dooku when your with someone else who is wanting to kill dooku and go in for heavy blows, Anakin was always rushing in to fight dooku and Obi wan was trying to not get anakin by mistake imo, after the unfortunate dooku incident can we not agree he shines through and does give out some potential as the greatest ? i like to think so as he did beat Vader when no other seemed able, not even Master Mace Windu ( who was apprently the best with a saber ) meh, on their first duel dooku had expended an amount of energy to anakin who seemed at the time out of the fight, and dooku still pwned him he wa splaying with him making lil nicks and cuts on him. 2nd duel dooku was tossing him around liek a rag doll. mace windu was not beaten by vader but surprised because at the time anakin was considered a Jedi Knight and trusted. Obi Wan only beat Anakin because of his terrain advantage and because he used Ataru which Anakin has absolutely no expierience with. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: You have to attack to defend effectively. Only a fool would block attacks and not return them, because no being alive can block every single blow. Actually keep defending yourself until your opponent gets tired ... then use the energy you still have to strike _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Ecks - Student 
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If Yoda's real name was Marlyr, then you would be correct.  Unfortunately, it's not. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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