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Yoda vs Palpatine in Episode III
Aug 02 2005 01:46pm

Rogue
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Does anyone else think he gave up too easily?:confused:

There are now so many inconsitencies everywhere, for example

In the SW databank, it says Mace was only bested at lightsabre dueling by Dooku and Yoda, then he quite quickly beats palpatine.

Then Yoda fights Palpatine and quit quickly gives up.

Anakin beats Dooku, Obi loses to Dooku.

Obi then beats Anikin............ lol
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Aug 04 2005 07:35am

Vasper Ba'xian
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Well, he loses his saber, his footing, and his position. Remember what happens to Anakin when he tries to force a bad position? Being so far below Sidious was too much of a disadvantage. Plus I'm sure he sensed a butt load of ST's comin to help Sidious. He knew he had to survive if the Jedi had any chance of survival.
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Aug 04 2005 05:50am

Tallepyon
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 Tallepyon

When i saw yoda give up I went wtf. He just gives up... I guess George Lucas couldnt think of a better way to do it, but it is pretty lame.

Aug 03 2005 07:09pm

Fire
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 Fire

Maybe they lost...focus?

Aug 03 2005 06:01pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

Actually, Mace is the most lethal duelist, not the greatest. The greatest duelist remains to be seen, although Yoda is a safe bet. Mace was bested by Dooku and Yoda in a duel (this is EU stuff, so perhaps that doesn't count), so Mace was the not the best.
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Aug 03 2005 05:43pm

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heheh saz.

Though Yoda and Mace both were bested by palp in fights, They are both more skilled than palps in lightsaber dueling. Yoda is the most extreme master of the acrobatic form IV of lightsaber dueling, Utilizeing his amazeing aerobatic manuvers to fight in battle.

Mace windu is the single greatest saber duelest in history with his special form of form VII known as "Vaapad". Useing his advanced focus of inner energy he is able to make broad, staccato movements and confuse opponents with deadly precision. Palp HAD to resort to force powers and trickery to overcome both of his most skilled opponents. :alliance:
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Aug 03 2005 12:35pm

SaZ
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 SaZ

Why Yoda lost that duel?
Lag.
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Aug 03 2005 06:53am

Bo
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 Bo

Mace beat Sidious because it was part of Sidious' plan. He put himself in that position because he knew Anakin was on the way. If he had just killed Mace, it would have been more difficult to turn him to the darkside.
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Aug 03 2005 02:19am

DarthMike
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 DarthMike

Let me start by saying that SW databank = crap.

..............................................I guess thats all i have to say really:P
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Aug 02 2005 05:03pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

Ah yes, my mistake.
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Aug 02 2005 04:18pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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As he fell, he lost his saber, and hit the ground.

just a small correction: he lost his saber before he fell, when Palpatine's lightning hit his saber handle
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Aug 02 2005 02:55pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

Hee hee hee. Time to bring out the geek inside. :P

Yoda had to give up. Because he was smaller, when he shot Palp's lightning back at him, he was propelled further back than Palps, due to his lesser mass. As he fell, he lost his saber, and hit the ground. A Jedi can't really kill someone without their saber, and Palps had the high ground. That was the deciding factor. Yoda knew that he could never reach Palps in time before Palps clone troopers arrived, plus the very fact that Palps had the high ground and Yoda was unarmed was a big issue.

That's why Yoda ran, and that's why he says he failed. His arrogance led him to underestimate Palps' position - he knew he was more powerful than Palps, but he thought he could dispatch of the Emperor quickly, and he underestimated the power of the Dark Side's cunning and its willingness to do whatever it takes to win. He failed because he could not defeat the Emperor in time before his reinforcements arrived.

As well, I am pretty confident in saying that Yoda was better than Palps in lightsaber combat. Palps had to resort to Force powers to even the score. Mace was also probably better than Palps, although there is the possibility that Palps let Mace win.
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This comment was edited by Ecks on Aug 02 2005 02:57pm.

Aug 02 2005 02:21pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

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Anakin beats Dooku, Obi loses to Dooku.
Obi then beats Anikin............ lol

Actually I believe this has to do with fighting styles.

You see, Qui-Gon (Obi-Wan's master) used Ataru (I think) and taught his padawan (Obi-Wan) the same. However, after Qui-Gon's death Obi-Wan (having almost mastered Ataru) gave up Ataru for some other form.
Thus: he never taught Ataru to Anakin.

So when they were finally face to face, Obi-Wan switched back to Ataru, as it was the stance that Anakin would have no knowledge against.

Or at least I read something like that.
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Aug 02 2005 02:05pm

SaZ
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 SaZ

omg it was luck.
palpatine was sqrewed.
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Aug 02 2005 01:56pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

all abotu styles. yoda is faster. but mace is more ground based from what we have seen. maybe he has a advantage. Palps was in a small room when he fought mace. while in a big room with yoda.
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Aug 02 2005 01:53pm

Eica
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 Eica

Yoda knew he and Obi-Wan were the last Jedis left, and after a near-death fall I doubt he'd try anything else against a powerful sith lord. I'm probably wrong though :)
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