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Rendar - Student  |
I am constantly seeing classes and hearing discussions about which is better, old or new style. But not a single person could explain to me exactly what old style or new style is, and how they differ. I was just hoping someone could explain to me what it means to be old style, what it means to be new style, and what the difference is. Thanks for your time.
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, I like those aerials myself a lot, but its not as easy as u put it.
Im not saying old or new school duels last any longer, but I havent seen any hardcore new-school fighters these days. nearly all folks at a certain amount of skill have a proper mix of both. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Dammerung - Student |
I prefer the old style myself, I liek the idea of being able to defeat my opponent without taking a step  still, it gets annoying when you fight someone who is very much into the new style. Opponents who are ALWAYS jumping around (bunny hop?) get very annoying because they get so hard to hit and aerials get almost impossible. I cannot count the number of times I've been instantly sabered while doing a ydfa and I get slashed in midair. I say it helps to be a little flexable with your styles, because its simple common sense that a versatile jedi, is a good jedi  _______________ "It's over Anakin! This high ground adds +5 to my agility!" "HAX!" This comment was edited by Dammerung on Mar 20 2003 01:04am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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well yes,most ppl i see with new style just come attacking with whatever style,there is strategy yes and DFAs all styles are fun,but old style is harder and longer duelz _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I like to lunge a few times, then crouch in red...they never see it coming. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well, no.
its not that easy. I pretty much like aerial attacks. I havent found my style yet, but I like occasional yDFAs that are (almost) always devestating. I like rDFAs to lure the enemy into a trap
well, basically, every risky move is recommended, if it hits
and I (try to) do backslashes and stuff whenever they seem to hit. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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old-style takes alot of more strategy,new-style is just swing at the person,i like old heehehe _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Mar 19 2003 06:27pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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i don't know a time where it is recommended... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, everybody does that, but spamming backstabs od rDFAs or even lunges is very dangerous and not recommended, usually. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Having not really known what either of these were, I learned a lot in this thread. Good stuff to put in the JA Project...
Although I like to mix up my stances and stuff to keep people off balance, that also makes it more difficult for me to get better at doing *one* thing. Oh well.  
-rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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indeed.
well, pit fights are mostly old-school fights, whereas I consider it a disadvantage when theres a lot of space. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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FaDed - Student
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agreed MoS |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Yep. The special moves and red overheads are very hard to block, but not impossible or practical.
Two yellow users+ghoul2+no running away=Sweetness _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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There was a lot of hype when ghoul 2 was discovered for multi player, but like every good thing, a way to exploit it was soon found. Whilst the blocking is all fun and all and makes the duels last longer, the blocking of the lightstance lunge isn't affected at all. So people would lunge everywhere. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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FaDed - Student 
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wait...what happened to him?! you just left us all hanging like it was a star wars movie!  |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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the story kinda drifted off during the middle but it touched me _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Arcuss - Student 
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A long time ago in a galaxy far away...
(Actually it was 8 months ago in DJs server.) A young Jedi came to the Academy to better learn how to survive in a world of pull & backstab whoredom. What he found was a cooperative community of other Jedi just like him learning and sharing what they learned with each other in an effort to become better players. He was pleased beyond words when he discovered that no one here was going to pull him to the ground and take advantage of the fact that he was new to the game and didn't know how to counter such a move. Instead every one he met was willing to help him and show him the error of his ways,and teach him better techniques in the art of JK2 survival. Another thing he found was that duels in this new galaxy seemed to take longer than in other places he visited(post 1.04)thanks in part to a filter built in the game called Ghoul2. Ghoul2 enhanced the inherent blocking abilities of the saber in duels in effect balancing out the duels fought with more experienced duelist. In the end the result was still the same,a swift demise. However he didn't mind because more than just boosting blocking Ghoul2 did something even cooler. Ghoul2 created a more cinematic dueling experience that mimiced the effects of the duels in the movies more closely than a normal server. Armed with his "old style" training he went on to become the greatest skillfree Knight in the history of the Academy. -------------------------------------------------- When dueling with Ghoul2 activated not only do the saber clashes look better,you have to adjust your style in order to score hits. Rather than just slashing and running you have to block and counter to open up your opponents defense and score hits. At some point in time DJs Ghoul2 server was changed to a regular server and all the servers have been that way ever since. Hence the name "old-style". In the "old style" classes here at the Academy Master Huxley uses Ghoul2 and other little know and rarely used settings,as tools to help us better understand the JK2 dueling system. Master Huxley does a great job of bringing us a new,and unique perspective from which we can enjoy the JK2 experience. The name "old style" may be a bit misleading to people who haven't taken any of the classes. It is more a statement of the fact that some of settings used in the classes have not been active in many servers in for long time or never used at all. So is "old style" better than the new style? In my opinion it depends on what you look for in a duel. If you want to win every duel with three red slashes then "old style" isn't for you. If on the other hand you would like your duels to be more movie realistic,and stylish then I suggest you try the classes. Either way the only way to really answer your questions is to sign up for an "old style" class and see how it suits you. May the Force be with you... :arcuss: This comment was edited by Arcuss on Mar 18 2003 11:29pm. |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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I'd like to get much more used to Old Style, when organized and not revolved around specials most of the time, old style can be more realistic.
(1) Aerial attacks were barely used in the movies. (2) There was much more countering and defense in the movies. (3) Just the way the sabers bounce make it feel more like Single Player, which you can say is EXACTLY like the movies. Edit: This is just MY opinion, please don't stone me,  _______________  Luke Skywalker
This comment was edited by Luke Skywalker on Mar 18 2003 06:46pm. |
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FaDed - Student
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when in doubt, learn both. find a happy medium of old and new and create your own style. atleast that's what i am trying to do. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Barely 1.03. Within 2 weeks or so of that demo the 1.04 patch was released. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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"About countering being old style, I'm pretty sure that no one even knew of countering being possible at least before the 1.04 patch came out (everyone would've been too busy rotating there DFA's or ass fighting)" - Jedi Kainite
Sorry wrong. Phr00t's instant DFA demo is dated in the news some time in early July which was definately during the 1.03 era. He was also teaching countering around the same time. Though countering was much easier back when ghoul2 was on, the Academy server, it was never as popular or as well used as it is now. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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I've seen the game develop from its very first stages into what it is now. The main thing I've noticed which is different is that there is definately a lot more thought and strategy put into fights. There was a phase where using anything other than heavy stance was considered completely n00bish, thats before people got used to the game and developed a sense of timing with medium stance.
Because of the patches though with the saber damage being nerfed red is still the most used as the other stances simply don't offer enough reward for the risk you put yourself at when landing the swing. Skilled users with medium stance are pretty devistating though. And in my opinion a lot more fun to watch than someone just doing the right swing in heavy all the time then backing away to recover. Of course the ideal is to mix up all the stances to keep it unpredictable and makes it very fun to play and watch. Anyway back to the topic at hand. Old style did seem to be all about specials and doing max damage quickly. Now days it seems a bit more organized with people structuring there duels and planning ahead. Not always going for the one move that will end the duel in a few seconds but doing normal swings to wear the opponent down bit by bit. This makes for better dueling. Its simply evolution of playing styles, patches converting the game and forcing people to push the limits. About countering being old style, I'm pretty sure that no one even knew of countering being possible at least before the 1.04 patch came out (everyone would've been too busy rotating there DFA's or ass fighting) so the difference is, structure. If you fight in old style then you can sometimes catch some of the newer breed of good players out, others are just too accustomed to the moves and so you have to fight the duel there way, with the new methods of the time. Thats all from me, be sur to tip your waitress I'll be here all week. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Ghoul2=Old Style?
I like both regular and ghoul2 for different reasons. Regular can be over in a few quick, powerful swings but ghoul2 gets incredibly interesting when you're fighting someone who can counter anything you throw at them. I think Old Style requires more skill. That's just my opinion. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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uhm imho old-school sabering is using backstabs and backslashes a lot, it also heavily depends on countering.
new-style whereas doesnt use these but uses aerial attacks, imho. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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