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Buzz - Student  |
...When you're breaking the law too. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Okay this is one sensitive matter.The law is the law.I am a police officer,so i understand that.Now, I understand somethings should be let go,from time to time i allow them that, sometimes breaking or bending the law is unavoidable,in that case I will be kind and understanding of the circumstances,but my job is my job.So however kind I am I have to do my job.I still have to UPHOLD the law and ENFORCE it.So no offence to you ,or you GM,but if I would have saw it,I would have nicely asked her to come with me to the cruiser.Now if anyone ever has a chance to learn one thing from me , please learn this.Sometimes to do the right thing,you have to make sacrfices.Police officers,Fire fighter,EMS workers,rescue squads,and any other person who risks there life for ANYONE realizes that ,though it might be a small crime,it is a crime,and I ,along with several other thousand officers like me,WE have to protect YOU,but understand this, WE dont just protect YOUR rights,but MILLIONS of OTHER PEOPLE's rights too.If you have any questions ,or I wasnt quite clear on something ,please feel free to ask me,I will glady help you in any way that i can. and lastly is yer space bar busted, I damn near went crosseyed trying to read that mess, feel free to use my tax dollars to buy a new keyboard. LOL  _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 10:35pm. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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You are a Cop, and as you have said in your very own post you make decisions, here and there, about what you will and will not pursue further. Thats good cuz that is what serve and protect embodies. The judgement of the individual officer and how that officer interprets the situation at hand. I would hope that any self respecting Police Officer would have the same restraint and understanding that you appear to. Is this a topic of study in the Po Po academy? It is unlikely that walking granny out to your cruiser would be serving or protecting anyone, but maybe yourself in that it would look good to make an arrest here and there. EDIT: and of course you don't know my GM, nor did you for the thirty years you've been alive, (as my cousin did) she never changed your diapers or your mothers diapers. I sincerely doubt you would attempt to link up your very own GM, but I have no doubt that you wouldn't hesitate to lock mine up. That doesn't really help us be friends does it? I was in the army, and stood tall through most of the Washington State Patrol qual exams, I left due to the eerie simularities to the military ie rank, so understand that it isn't you. You are not the maker of policy you are the executor of it. I have no personal interest in seeing Marijuana legalized, it isn't that important to me and I face the random whiz quiz neways. Since I have the attention of a real life cop, I am trying to drum up a question for you that pertains to the situation at hand which is the department in question in the article posted by Buzz. If I report a "foot locker" stolen, and it is locked, when recovered am I obligated to show the police the contents, if asked? I would say NO, but I am not a cop, you are, I will eagerly await your answer. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 10:26pm. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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Okay this is one sensitive matter.The law is the law.I am a police officer,so i understand that.Now, I understand somethings should be let go,from time to time i allow them that, sometimes breaking or bending the law is unavoidable,in that case I will be kind and understanding of the circumstances,but my job is my job.So however kind I am I have to do my job.I still have to UPHOLD the law and ENFORCE it.So no offence to you ,or you GM,but if I would have saw it,I would have nicely asked her to come with me to the cruiser.Now if anyone ever has a chance to learn one thing from me , please learn this.Sometimes to do the right thing,you have to make sacrfices.Police officers,Fire fighter,EMS workers,rescue squads,and any other person who risks there life for ANYONE realizes that ,though it might be a small crime,it is a crime,and I ,along with several other thousand officers like me,WE have to protect YOU,but understand this, WE dont just protect YOUR rights,but MILLIONS of OTHER PEOPLE's rights too.If you have any questions ,or I wasnt quite clear on something ,please feel free to ask me,I will glady help you in any way that i can. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Plain sight is a bitch!! LOL little story then I gotta get back to work A family reunion, my Grandmother is smoking a Joint, A Marijuana Cigarette A second cousin of mine was a Sheriff, he attempted to arrest my feeble old GM cuz she was breaking the law. That boy damn near got his @$$ kicked that day, and was effectively disowned. Yeah okay, my Grandma is a pot head, so what, its her choice and it isn't like she hasn't already done her contribution to the world. But this cop, and cop just then was a 4-letter word, tried to man up with his holier than though nonsense. It just isn't cool. I have seen plenty of other activity to make me distrust the respresentatives of the law, but this stands out. Cops have a rough job, but they also chose that job, it didn't choose them. A life of public service is to be commended but only if you can look yourself in the mirror everyday and say "I am doing good for my community." To those that can say that, my hats off to you, to those that can't hell has a special place for you. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Well, I started to be a cop. I took a year's worth of law studies, before changing my major. When refering to the plain sight, I was applying what I learned to this situation. That is how a judge will come back, if the police were let in for something else and they see something illegal, then they are legally allowed to arrest you. Until the laws change, they will be prosecuted for having, dealing, whatever, with weed. Now weed may change soon (its effects are close to that of alcohol), but I hope coke, LSD and that stuff is never made legal. Yes, this is a good debate between adults.  _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I do agree about your point with alcohol/cigarettes, but they are legal. I do not agree that if other drugs are made legal, that then there wouldn't be as many problems. NO debate club, but did study some litigation techniques, #1 never take it personal, and I don't.I'm sorry if I seemed hot headed. I take it very seriously when it comes to law enforcment and firefighting issues. I just dont want to see people keeling over because they did something they shouldn't have.  On another point, are you sure you weren't in a debate club or something? You're good! I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU JEDIFIRE!! be clear on that Your contribution is amazing and selfless, but I too have work in close confines with the Seattle PD and I have seen some things that definately skew my opinion. I worked as armed security and responded to alot alarms so my mingling with the Po Po is extensive. I don't question what is and is not legal, its too easy to point at a book and say "see its ...." Me I am about questioning why? Murder is illegal cuz it immediate revokes your right to the pursuit of happiness. Simple enuf, boooo murder. Pot smoking is illegal cuz....Nixon says so. Not good enuf for me. Especially when the rest of the western world is busy trying to decriminalize it. thanks for the talk, got my blood pumping and made me feel alive!! EDIT: oh yeah No debate club, but I am on my second marriage, so yeah I got some hours of arguin under meh belt! _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 09:27pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Now I see where your perspective comes from, you are one of them. THEM a member of our new police state. Thats not a bad thing btw, good for you.Hmmm, it was well earned. I too as a child once thought, hey I wanna be a cop someday. I am since enlightened. Also when the day comes that a black man can reach for his wallet again without getting shot 42 times then maybe the cops will gain my trust back. A question? How do you know he was getting his wallet? The officer(s) did not whether he was reaching for a gun, a machete, or a wallet. They chose their own safety and the safety of the public over the chance that the guy might be pulling out a weapon. That is why you don't make sudden movements without being told by an officer to do so. Quote: I am sure there are plenty of good cops out there, I am equally sure they are out numbered by bad cops 2 to 1. Bad cops are the minority. Weed may not be the same as coke, LSD, or what not, but you seem to be missing the point. ITS ILLEGAL! Drugs and alcohol are harmful to you and thats why there are restricions on these products. Keep in mind, these laws are made to protect and keep everyone safe! -Your local Firefighter/EMT, trying to keep you safe, along with our close brothers... You are not seeing how/why it was made illegal. You are not seeing how/why weed is not different from substances that are legal. (booze and smokes) I see that since you are on the inside looking out you will never be able to understand until the substance is declassified as a narcotic. Your opinion on the level of corruption within the police is duely noted, as an opinion. You don't have any facts nor could you come up with any facts when pressed to do so, a cop will always tell you to your face that he is a good cop, and Nixon said he was not a crook, Tim McVeigh and Scott Peterson didn't do it either, pfft. My facts are supported by what we see on TV and what we as a people see everyday, and the unchallengable law of averages explained in a previous post of mine. Dude I respect you and what you do, but you don't need to defend the Police. While you work with them everyday, Anne Rice worked next to Ted Bundy everyday, you do not know anything more than what they want you to know. End of story. You have not refuted any of my facts, other than to say "ITS ILLEGAL", well slavery was legal once, does that make it right? Laws are made by those that live above them. Many of our laws are good and just, some are not. As free people, as Americans we have a responsibility to challenge our system when it has gone astray. Or you have the equal right to just sit back and take it as it is shoveled on to you. While I am glad our fore fathers had the fore sight to create such a wonderful nation, lets not forget they were a pack of slave owning aristocrats that were tired of paying their taxes. Thanks for the debate, no winner here just a conversation between what I assume is adults. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
I do agree about your point with alcohol/cigarettes, but they are legal. I do not agree that if other drugs are made legal, that then there wouldn't be as many problems. I'm sorry if I seemed hot headed. I take it very seriously when it comes to law enforcment and firefighting issues. I just dont want to see people keeling over because they did something they shouldn't have. On another point, are you sure you weren't in a debate club or something? You're good! _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Quote: Hmmm, it was well earned. I too as a child once thought, hey I wanna be a cop someday. I am since enlightened. Also when the day comes that a black man can reach for his wallet again without getting shot 42 times then maybe the cops will gain my trust back. A question? How do you know he was getting his wallet? The officer(s) did not whether he was reaching for a gun, a machete, or a wallet. They chose their own safety and the safety of the public over the chance that the guy might be pulling out a weapon. That is why you don't make sudden movements without being told by an officer to do so. Quote: I am sure there are plenty of good cops out there, I am equally sure they are out numbered by bad cops 2 to 1. Bad cops are the minority. Weed may not be the same as coke, LSD, or what not, but you seem to be missing the point. ITS ILLEGAL! Drugs and alcohol are harmful to you and thats why there are restricions on these products. Keep in mind, these laws are made to protect and keep everyone safe! -Your local Firefighter/EMT, trying to keep you safe, along with our close brothers... _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! This comment was edited by Jedifire_Mintaka on Sep 09 2005 09:04pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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LOL, nice debate, just know that i love this topic and i am very good at arguing it, i don't hate your opinion i appreciate it. Alcohol is illegal to be in the posession of or to consume if you are under 21, in the USA. That used to be 18, and before that alcohol was illegal entirely. Google = Prohibition Cigarettes kill more people than anything, combined with Alcohol the habitual user/loser effectively cuts their life span in half and with second hand smoke and drunk driving it is likely they will take someone with them. Potheads, well who are they hurting. Really who? Years ago the term Drunk Driving Identified people who drove while intoxicated from alcohol. Over time this term has evolved to "Driving Under the Influence" which covers the full spectrum of awareness debilatating ingestants. This includes Vicodin, and Tylenol PM and Nyquil, and Weed, and Coke, and Meth and whatever. So it is clear that operating a vehicle under the influence of these substances in illegal and actively prosecuted. Yet we say some of these things are socially bad. I think that cigarettes and alcohol are the greatest evil this country, USA, faces. The rate at which they kill not only the direct users but those around them is astonishing, yet they remain legal. Why? Cuz there is money to be made. Taxes/Tariffs to be collected and that coin would be desperately missed by our government and our economy. that is the bottom line my friend. in our life time you will be able to go to 7-11 (at least in CAlifornia) pick up a pint of Jack Daniels a pack of Marlboros and a gram of bud. Soon as the government can find someone to grow it and tax it. This is America and here the dollar speaks. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student
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I did not invite a cop into my home. Nor would I in todays day and age. I stated an example of how if I needed the police to do their job, they would find a way to turn on me in my time of need. by your rules everyone in rehab should go to jail, quite the humanitarian. I mean the only way in there is have been in the possession of controlled substances, correct. disclaimer: there are always exceptions to the rule Power corrupts, Police have power. I am sure there are plenty of good cops out there, I am equally sure they are out numbered by bad cops 2 to 1. How many times have you seen a cop speeding without his emergency lights on? Yet you get pulled over for being 8mph over the posted limit. How many times have you seen a cop flip his lights on and speed through an intersection against a red light then turn off the lights once through the crosswalk? I see it often. I got busted for skateboarding once. They called it trespassing even though there were no posted signs. A little while later (before my court date) the cop that busted me got caught getting "service" from a hooker in his squad car. Needless to say my case was dropped. To all the good cops out there, all 7 of you, start turning in your corrupt brethren. yes people make decisions and those decisions rules their actions and actions have repercutions and occasional punishments, what you don't see is that we are talking about WEED not hard drugs. Weed is not the same as coke, crack, speed, LSD, or heroine. Not in any way shape or form. It is more like corn. It is grown, it is picked, dried, and sold. It isn't cooked, processed, mixed or concocted in a lab. It doesn't contain any more toxins than alcohol and cigarettes combined. Sure it isn't the best thing to do to your body, but that shouldn't make it illegal. While the rest of the WORLD is decriminalizing marijuana growing and use, the US sticks to its prohibition mentality and keeps the screws down. I have had a few tokes, and if presented with a spliff right now would take a drag and pass it on. I am an adult and will make decisions perfectly aware of the consequences. Teh fact remains that the substance was made "illegal" and punishable by a criminally corrupt politician that did it so he could effectively silence those people that opposed him. A bong is a water pipe use for the consumption of many kinds of tobacco not exclusively marijuana. Bongs are legal, if you call them Water Pipes. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 08:44pm. |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Hmmm...Deeper and Deeper we go, young padawan... Last time I checked your "bong" is illegal. Plain and simple. Actually, I dont know what bong is. If it is marijuana, then it is illegal and just as, if not more, harmful as alcohol (which is also illegal if your under 21 in the USA). If you gave permission to the officers to enter your home and you have it laying around in PLAIN SIGHT, or are dumb enough to say "hey they took my dope too!" then you should be arrested and will because depending on which option you took, the officers can arrest you based on the plain sight rule, or they can arrest you because you just confessed! You know where I see the serve and protect? When cops are out busting drug dealers, and drug users and getting that crap off the streets. They are serving and protecting those who just want to live safely AND happily. If you're caught with drugs you deserve to go to jail. [/rant] _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I doubt if he was coerced. Afterall they did find a pound of it. I doubt that was his only stash. LOL finally something really funny that doesn't violate one civil rights.He probably forgot it was in there. A stoner...not remember something...noooooo Yeah pot isn't the best thing for you to be putting into your body, but alcohol kills more people in a day than pot does in a year. For every argument there is a rebuttal so whats the point. The facts remain that the Po-Po do their job in the least ethical way that they can get away with. It takes a Rodney King type event for everyone to see what is really going on but I can guarantee that for every event we, the public, hear about there are a thousand similar and even worse instances of corruption that go undiscovered and unpunished. that is simply the way it is, you speed down the road every work day, 200+ days a year and how often do you get pulled over for it? How many times do you "technically" run a red light? (if you are still in the intersection when it changes you are running it) This is just the law of averages at work but if you agree that you have sped and run lights and rarely get caught or even see someone get caught then you must agree that every trangression of the police that goes public has an equal share of events that go unseen. Quote: Hmmm, do I detect some resentment here? Hmmm, it was well earned. I too as a child once thought, hey I wanna be a cop someday. I am since enlightened. Also when the day comes that a black man can reach for his wallet again without getting shot 42 times then maybe the cops will gain my trust back. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 08:14pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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since neither one of us has all the facts in this case it is difficult to summize the events my stance is based on my actual experience's in dealing with the police, this is an example: if someone broke into my house and stole my TV and my bong, and I called the cops to report my loss so that I could make a claim to my insurance (to replace the TV) the cops would be far more interested in my bong than my TV. Why? Cuz its their job? isn't the job to serve and protect not to judge and snoop so yeah the cops find my TV and my bong, they return my TV and say "hey we found yer bong too" and they link me up (put hand cuffs on me) where is the service where is the protection my community is not endangered by my bong, buying weed is like buying corn, you support the people that grow it. The profit ratio for grass is not feasible for organized crime, coke yeah. the use of marijuana was made illegal, punishable, by Richard Nixon (an established criminal and the most corrupt politician, to be caught, in the history of the US) so that he could legally arrest protestors Where is the real crime? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Quote: you know the cops get to spin the story any way they want if you had a safe with an LB in it you wouldn't open it in front of the police he was probably coerced that is how the police roll Hmmm, do I detect some resentment here? All the cops I know are clean and are good at their job. I trust law enforcement officers all the time with my safety and well being. The cops that you hear about that do these things are few and far between. I haven't seen the video yet, but I'll believe a police officer over some two-bit drug addict anyday. I also have some law studies under my belt, so I'll wait to see the video tonight when I'm not at work. Also, let me go get O'liin and lets see what he thinks as well. _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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I doubt if he was coerced. Afterall they did find a pound of it. I doubt that was his only stash. He probably forgot it was in there. A stoner...not remember something...noooooo _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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there's a lot of psychology in how they take witness statements as well. _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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El Vee For - Student
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you know the cops get to spin the story any way they want if you had a safe with an LB in it you wouldn't open it in front of the police he was probably coerced that is how the police roll _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: thats not funny, why did the cops need it opened? they didn't have probably cause to open it, other than to account for the items reported stolen. There is no mention of police having a warrant to search the contents of the safe. Dude is gonna walk, as well he should. Well to me it sounds like the owner was the one who opened it. And it was likely to prove that it was his safe. Its his fault for being stupid. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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Quote: LOL What a tard...probably a chav.  For all those who don't know what a chav is....heres an acronym. C ouncil H oused A dolescent V ermin. They basically thrive on stuff like that _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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Fenris - Ex-Student 
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LOL What a tard...probably a chav. _______________ OC is my girlfriend and i wub her Kitmitsu is my best fwend.
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Eica - Student 
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Well deserved in my opinion _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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I know how but i wont tell |
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Phantom - Student 
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HAHAHAHAH How dumb can you be! _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Jade Jedi - Retired 
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ROFL, What an idiot. _______________ *CLICKEH->Never risk the Fett Man|*Download my Saber here. Made by master craftsman Pink Floyd_Mintaka + his 2002 & 4000 comment's [Laz's 700th comment][BDKawika's 600th comment] & Owner of a TOWEL award!!|Master: Sared Padawans: Rage-Ball and Dante Eagle.|*Jade Jedi at The Jedi Academy Archives "There's only one Return and it's not of the King it's of the Jedi" Randal Clerks 2 The top 10 reasons why I procrastinate: 1. |
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