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Ian Jandos - Student  |
I have been playing a decent while now and am beginning to address my force abilities or lack thereof. I chose the light side because I'm a purist and like being a good guy like from the films, so I don't resort to the dark side and try to stay true to the ideals. In my estimation, resorting to the dark side in the game IS the equivalent of a player resorting to the dark side by choosing the quick and easy path in playing this game. I will preface that by saying that some players prefer the coolness of being a bad guy, the style it affords, or perhaps another reason. The point, is that it seems you can learn to pwn quicker by learning the dark side abilities, which are intrinsically more aggressive, showing visible results quicker with less patience & practice. The main reason I chose light side, which is also the same reason I chose single, is because I think its the toughest way to play the game...therefore would be more rewarding to me in the sense that I made it the most challenging for myself to win and if I "won," that would be the ultimate feat of this game. Obviously my reasoning is purely subjective to my opinion and you can voice yours as well. My post boils down to this... Which side of the Force is stronger? If two equally talented Force users fought, which side would win? Has this been documented? I know the question exists along other topics I have read for sabering, such as Syb's Posting, so I think its a good topic. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Being a trainer that teaches force classes, I'll throw my two cents in. Both sides of the force have their own advantages and disadvantages. Both can be used offensively and defensively. However, if you put two equally trained force users in the same room, one using dark side and one light side, the light side user has a greater chance at winning. I'll explain why. Dark force users rely on their powers a ton more than light side users. They rely on them to do as much damage as a lightsaber can, sometimes more or less. For example, a strike of lightning, if held long enough can do as much or more damage as a single red hit or a few yellow hits. They also rely on their powers to throw down their opponent's defenses, such as grip. They also rely GREATLY on the ability to heal with drain. As rage is not used so much these days, we'll skip that one. Let's look at the light side for a second. A light side user normally is more defensive. They rely on using powers such as mind trick, to keep their opponent from being able to see them. Also heal, to keep their health up. Protect to decrese any physical damage they may take. And absorb to gain force from their opponent, as well as "counter" any force attacks. With that being said, the light side user has the advantage. The only powers they'd really have to use are absorb and heal. Absorb is a dark side user's worse nightmare. They cannot do anything to a person using it other than use their saber, or a neutral power such as speed. A dark side user not being able to use their attacks, is now depending on their lightsaber skills. They had better hope that they are skilled enough with a saber to make up for their lack of force usage. If not, then the light side user has already won. The light side user will still be able to heal, especially if the dark side user continues to attempt to use force while their opponent's absorb is on, as it gives their opponent force. They will still be able to push/pull. They will still be able use protect and mind trick (which is easily countered by sense). They will still be able to use whatever force powers they have to their advantage, whereas the dark side user is forced to rely on their saber skills and a small amount of neutral powers. This of course all depends on the level of skill the two force users have. If they do not know how to counter eachother's attacks, then it could be a very close match. But for sake of argument, if they do know how to counter other force powers, the light side user will have a much greater chance of surviving. A dark side user's ultimate weakness is the light side. A light side user's ultimate weakness is a lightsaber.  _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Vaughn - Student 
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Ok. Before I read the other comments, Ill say this. in terms of two equal fighters.. one light sided and one dark sided.. who would win... Well... remember. The light side tends to be more passive, while the dark side tends to be more aggressive. That being said, the dark sider is more likely to be attacking more, and therefore have higher chanse of winning. That and the fact that they dont have a problem using the force to throw you around... pick you up and choke the life out of yuo.. or just lightning you to death... I think the dark would win for those reasons. Even though i play as light.  _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Dachande - Student 
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Quote: You will always be better at what you're comfortable with. I could train every single waking moment of my life to master duals or staff, and I would be amazing. But if I spent that time perfecting single (my strength), instead, I would be unbeatable. Hard work is a huge factor, but when you have two people who work just as hard as each other... that's when talent and just innate sense come into play. THATZ WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY THIS WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKYOU!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!! _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I mastered the SEXEH side  _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Ecks - Student 
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You will always be better at what you're comfortable with. I could train every single waking moment of my life to master duals or staff, and I would be amazing. But if I spent that time perfecting single (my strength), instead, I would be unbeatable. Hard work is a huge factor, but when you have two people who work just as hard as each other... that's when talent and just innate sense come into play. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Dachande - Student 
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Quote: i never said i mastered anything.. Ok... Quote: yo claim u choose single because it is hardest...well actually..it is HARDEST to use..but EASIEST to master...dual and staff are EASIEST to use and HARDEST to master... Well, in this post, you sound as though you are saying you have experienced and mastered those stances. try readin my WHOLE entire post on oct 5... i give examples of wat i mean on easiest to use and hardest to master..and ALSO the difficulty of mastering/using VARIES from PERSON to PERSON...so itz all on you.Most people find it very easy to use darkside grip, i find it impossible to use. P.S. sorry if I sounded arrogant, that wasnt the point of the post. Point was people excel at one type of fightin naturally but can practice to make other forms even better than the one that they are natural at. for a better understanding on what I'm trying to say please read the INTRODUCTION to A rounded Version: Theory of Multiple Intelligences by Howard Gardner and coauther Joseph Walters. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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AvaloN - Student 
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Quote: yo claim u choose single because it is hardest...well actually..it is HARDEST to use..but EASIEST to master...dual and staff are EASIEST to use and HARDEST to master... ^^^^that does make sense if you think about it. I have to agree with this, except with the addition that when you reach the point where you really master one stance, you will find that experience will give you extreme knowledge in all stances. As long as you practise somewhat with them i agree. This comment was edited by AvaloN on Oct 08 2005 02:55pm. |
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Furi0us - Student 
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Quote: i never said i mastered anything.. Ok... Quote: yo claim u choose single because it is hardest...well actually..it is HARDEST to use..but EASIEST to master...dual and staff are EASIEST to use and HARDEST to master... Well, in this post, you sound as though you are saying you have experienced and mastered those stances. _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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SaZ - Student 
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ahh masta... u own me _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Dachande - Student
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i never said i mastered anything..and ive been absent for a yr and a month... what im trying to say is dont think one thing is BETTER or EASIER to use than another... a GOOD single saberist= a GOOD staff= a GOOD dual saberist... THEY ALL NEED TO PRACTICE AND GET BETTER... some styles may need MORE practice than others..but at the height of it all they are all equal... FOR EXAMPLE..... i find being light side force more easy because all i do is absorb as soon as a darksider grips me..then i turn it off to save force and just sabering him...if he uses darkside force again..ill jsu absorb again (yes this is what i do..imma n00b with force) however i tried darkside..and whenever soemone gripped me and since i didnt have absorb i needed to use PUSH..and soemtimes i got it...but with certain players my push jus wouldnt work..obviously the peopel who werent gettin effected by push had practice... samething goes with saber...i use single...but when i tried dual sabers (on a person who i jsut defeated usin single saber) he COMPLETELY PWNED me...i had to shut the game off....(it was a flawless victory for him) and it wasnt a fluke cuz he beat me many times over when i used duals... there is NO quick and easy path.. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... This comment was edited by Dachande on Oct 05 2005 05:36pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I have been playing a decent while now and am beginning to address my force abilities or lack thereof. Quote: In my estimation, resorting to the dark side in the game IS the equivalent of a player resorting to the dark side by choosing the quick and easy path in playing this game. Quote: therefore would be more rewarding to me in the sense that I made it the most challenging for myself to win and if I "won," that would be the ultimate feat of this game. Quote: I suppose that if the makers of the game stacked the  so it was superior to the  noticeably, _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Oct 05 2005 03:11pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: wrong forum i think..... /agree This should be moved to the jk3 discussions forum. ian never mentioned anything about games... so... i think the fight between light and dark is very balanced... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kueller - Student 
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Quote: yo claim u choose single because it is hardest...well actually..it is HARDEST to use..but EASIEST to master...dual and staff are EASIEST to use and HARDEST to master... ^^^^that does make sense if you think about it. I have to agree with this, except with the addition that when you reach the point where you really master one stance, you will find that experience will give you extreme knowledge in all stances. As long as you practise somewhat with them _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Ian Jandos - Student 
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So you're a master... I'll have to spec you when I see you online  Seriously though, my inclination when I joined was the classical Jedi single stance...and the other two styles seemed more advantageous to use, as did using dark force, so I didn't pick them. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Dachande - Student
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yo claim u choose single because it is hardest...well actually..it is HARDEST to use..but EASIEST to master...dual and staff are EASIEST to use and HARDEST to master... ^^^^that does make sense if you think about it. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: wrong forum i think..... /agree This should be moved to the jk3 discussions forum. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Ian Jandos - Student 
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Quote: Anyways, if u want to add a poll next time to ur thread, simply hit 'edit' and add one. You dont need to type it all over again, or copy/paste, so it saves time Yeah, I hit stop because if it timed out, I'd have to type it all again...so it posted twice. ------------------------------------------ In regards to the post--to clarify, I'm not calling in to question anyone's particular character...because its all fun & games. My analogy was that if you choose the because its easier, then you are simply taking the quick & easy approach--the less patient way, which is somewhat analagous of the from the films.I suppose that if the makers of the game stacked the so it was superior to the noticeably, then you could say the same about most people choosing the , they're doing it because its easier.I don't think being a master of either is easy, but the seems to show results quicker due to its nature of offense.The whole topic is subjective, but I partially like the because its hard and even if it is the inferior side, this handicap provides me a way to really work on perfecting that part of my game to the best of my ability.Now if I were to reach the peak of the ability and not be able to improve any more and still lose, then maybe it would be time to re-consider...because winning is a big part of the fun. Hope this makes sense, its hard to put down in writing. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives This comment was edited by Ian Jandos on Oct 04 2005 10:44pm. |
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Ecks - Student 
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Quote: Everyone doesn't like pain correct? Not so sure about that... I've met some odd people in my life lol. On topic: This is my view. The Dark Side manipulates their opponent to make themselves stronger. The Light Side manipulates themselves to make themselves stronger. In terms of the "Force Powers", as Yoda has shown, the Light can counter anything the Dark throws at it, but you have to be a TRUE Jedi to do so... that is, pure and determined. The Dark Side feeds its strength from the evil in our own hearts. Without that evil, it is nothing. The Dark Side uses doubt and fear to weaken its opponents, but that won't work against a fearless and pure Jedi. So, there is always a balance. Both sides are equal in power, its just that the light side has less powerful people because of how hard it is to achieve its ultimate strength. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Oct 04 2005 08:52pm. |
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The dark side is more powerful in terms of destructive power and the like. The Light side is significantly greater in terms of healing and all that good stuff! So there. |
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Rogue - Student 
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wrong forum i think..... _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Phantom - Student 
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Well I think that the Dark Side is stronger since like Ploo said the light is a defencive side and the dark is a offencive side. Also, what you said that the dark side is easier to master than the light is not true IMO. It takes a great deal to master the darkside, perhaps not in the JA, but outside the JA theres things like Grip Kick which if you have the abitlity to master it is a great offencive tactic. And once you begin to use the darkside you find many, many more ways to combine your forces for a great offencive. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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True, some sick people find happiness in pain of others ect ect, but darksiders still don't want to be stabbed cause they want to survive another day...and it hurts everyone can share, that being stabbed doesn't bring joy, but what if some people find pain good? And I think in JK3, one isn't really better than the other, it's just Light Side is made for defending, and Dark Side is made for attacking. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Each person has its own definition of happiness. Some can be truly happy if they give and get love from others. Others can be truly happy when they get to display their authority and power over others. Happiness itself cant be measured as "good" or "bad". Its just a chemical process in the brain which results in wellness. Anyway, i actually thought Ians question was only based on jk3. If thats so, i think the dark side is definately more powerful. But hey i dont really think FF duels are any good at all. Infact, the neutral powers are completly sufficient to take any lightsider out. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Oct 04 2005 11:28am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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I believe almost all people are inherently good. Everyone doesn't like pain correct? Everyone likes to eat, and drink, and be happy correct? That's why I think the lightside is stronger, because almost all people want to be happy. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Interesting topic Ian, my opinion is its likely to be in balance. Theres good and evil in people, so its why there are Jedi and Sith, but thats just one way to look at it Anyways, if u want to add a poll next time to ur thread, simply hit 'edit' and add one. You dont need to type it all over again, or copy/paste, so it saves time _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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