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Ian Jandos - Student  |
I have been playing a decent while now and am beginning to address my force abilities or lack thereof. I chose the light side because I'm a purist and like being a good guy like from the films, so I don't resort to the dark side and try to stay true to the ideals. In my estimation, resorting to the dark side in the game IS the equivalent of a player resorting to the dark side by choosing the quick and easy path in playing this game. I will preface that by saying that some players prefer the coolness of being a bad guy, the style it affords, or perhaps another reason. The point, is that it seems you can learn to pwn quicker by learning the dark side abilities, which are intrinsically more aggressive, showing visible results quicker with less patience & practice. The main reason I chose light side, which is also the same reason I chose single, is because I think its the toughest way to play the game...therefore would be more rewarding to me in the sense that I made it the most challenging for myself to win and if I "won," that would be the ultimate feat of this game. Obviously my reasoning is purely subjective to my opinion and you can voice yours as well. My post boils down to this... Which side of the Force is stronger? If two equally talented Force users fought, which side would win? Has this been documented? I know the question exists along other topics I have read for sabering, such as Syb's Posting, so I think its a good topic. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Nomadic Phoenix - Student 
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I'm going to play both sides.
The Light Side of the Force is strong because it is primarily defensive. However, it is only good for the one user and those near him. It is incapable of helping someone who is halfway across the galaxy. The Dark Side of the Force is strong because it is primarily offensive. Lightning, Choke, you name it--it's all there to kill, maim, and destroy. It is capable of destroying many with very little effort. However, the thing that defines the two is discipline. A warrior is most dangerous when he is focused and calm. A Dark Side user uses the Dark Side at its strongest when he is angry and unfocused. A Light Side user is most dangerous when he is focused and calm. The focus allows him to be not only strong in the Force but also in battle. Because of that, I would side with the Light Side being stronger. _______________ Check out my personal webcomic, Subconscious, here. "Life isn't a video game. There aren't any respawn points." Proud Owner Of: Rin An Tian's 100th and 400th Comment. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: There are no good or bad set force powers, how you use the force and for what purpose determines whether it is the light or the dark. yeah thats what my grey jedi thread is about pretty much, i'll type something to make it clearer maybe. If any, a Grey Jedi would be strongest, since he uses both sides of the Force, opposed to only the Dark or Light Side. Giving him more flexibility and knowledge about the Force, and thus a bigger advantage. "Jack-of-all-trades, Master of none"  The Jedi are flawed. Face it. edit: Just to point out so is the Sith philosophy. If done correctly its less what you say and more: Master-of-all-trades, Jack of nothing. There is a grey area inbetween, there is also pure evil created by dark energies from the darkside, the force itself does not take sides from my viewpoint. Still i would agree we are yet to truly see someone master the grey area of the force (maybe Jolee Bindo?) Jacen looked like he might, but now its all going wrong... _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Sep 14 2006 12:17am. |
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Trooper! - Student 
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Was it not the Emperor himself that said "To truly understand the force you must study all of it's aspects not just the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi" This to me implies that the dark side will use light and dark but the light side only uses the force for knowledge and defence. Meaning that the Jedi do draw a line between good and evil, light and dark. Therefore if you use any dark force powers you are a dark Jedi by default. _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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Rogue - Student 
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Quote: There are no good or bad set force powers, how you use the force and for what purpose determines whether it is the light or the dark. yeah thats what my grey jedi thread is about pretty much, i'll type something to make it clearer maybe. If any, a Grey Jedi would be strongest, since he uses both sides of the Force, opposed to only the Dark or Light Side. Giving him more flexibility and knowledge about the Force, and thus a bigger advantage. "Jack-of-all-trades, Master of none" _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. This comment was edited by Rogue on Sep 11 2006 09:17pm. |
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Ian Jandos - Student 
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Hmmm, mind trick...not too many of them out there. Yeah, blue, that would be the ultimate. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Sared - Retired 
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The 'hardest' way to master the game would be to master blue stance, and pwn with it.  edit:// I only use light because of mind trick. Yes, I am a sneaky bastard.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This comment was edited by Sared on Sep 11 2006 05:42am. |
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slicer - Student 
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the light side always wins! u see this at the end of ep6 wen darth vader destroys the emporer! _______________ Furneaux |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: There are no good or bad set force powers, how you use the force and for what purpose determines whether it is the light or the dark. yeah thats what my grey jedi thread is about pretty much, i'll type something to make it clearer maybe. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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There are no good or bad set force powers, how you use the force and for what purpose determines whether it is the light or the dark. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) This comment was edited by Mic Den Octela on Dec 10 2005 02:55am. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: If you light, you can heal, protect yourself, absorb almost all enimy force powers directed at you,and, of course, become invisible to peeps. If you dark you can (if the light jedi dont have absorb on) shock with the almost un-equiled lighting, grip (can be pushed out of by push), rage(loses health for more damage if you can hit and cannot be killed,but slowed when the rage done), and you can drain people of both force and health as long as you have force left. So in my opinion, light is stronger cuz just 1 power absorbs most Dark attacks through force. -TheDestroyer That's purely because of the lame design of the game when it comes to Force Powers. In reality (well, the books and movies  ) it all depends on how good the person controls the Force.You can be the best Lightning User there is, but if your opponent absorbs or deflects your Lightning, your screwed. Same as if your the best in Absorbing Lightning, but your Enemie is great in other Force Powers that your not good in at countering, Force Grip for example, than being able to Absorb Lightning will do you no good. There isn't a Side of the Force that is stronger, it all depends on the skill of the Force User, and it's tactics and control over the Force. |
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thedestroyer - Student 
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If you light, you can heal, protect yourself, absorb almost all enimy force powers directed at you,and, of course, become invisible to peeps. If you dark you can (if the light jedi dont have absorb on) shock with the almost un-equiled lighting, grip (can be pushed out of by push), rage(loses health for more damage if you can hit and cannot be killed,but slowed when the rage done), and you can drain people of both force and health as long as you have force left. So in my opinion, light is stronger cuz just 1 power absorbs most Dark attacks through force. -TheDestroyer |
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Dark side is the easier one to learn. I FF a lot and dark side is the easier of the two, though, light side can overcome dark side depending how good you are at it. I would considering on going LS instead of DS since you can't kick with DS for a grip kick so all you need to do is learn how to use absorb when needed and st (saber throw). |
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Mugen - Student 
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I agree with Cheshire and Gradius. There is no Light and Dark side of the Force, it's just a difference of opinion. Sith think they are liberating the Republic by destroying it, they are chaotic in nature. Jedi think that by destroying the Sith (which can never happen) that the Republic will be free of tyranny. Truth is, one cannot exist without the other. After playing through both KOTOR's numerous times I've become farely versed in the ways and history of the Force, as would anyone. But no matter what the media of Star Wars that you look at, Dark or Light is just the way you use it. Revan figured it out. _______________ There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is the Force. -The Jedi Code |
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Lord Jaws - Student 
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I think in the first place it depends of the strengt of a person who wields it, the stronger in the force he is the stronger his abilities are. Then I reffer to Yoda in the Yoda vs Dooku fight, where he says:"Strong you have become, the dark side I sence in you." So while Dooku was first a 'light' Sider, he was weaker then he was wielding the force when he fell to the Dark Side. But I believe that Sith or Jedi walk the path that is correct, they are not in balance with the force, they are the oposite polars of the force, And I believe that Luke Skywalker was the balance, He used his anger to defeat Vader but he did not kill him, he used his anger in stead of let him be controlling by it. So the question must be more specific, becouse all sides have its ups and downs, But when wielded correctly I believe the Dark Side is stronger.... _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! This comment was edited by Lord Jaws on Nov 22 2005 09:07am. |
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Jo_Mintaka - Student 
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light over comes darkness _______________ Joined Jan 27 2005 [Owner of Pink Floyd's 525th, 1100th and 4002nd comments! Darth Mike's accidental 999 and 1001 comments! addiat's 1975 comment! |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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excellant post Vasper, i agree as well. Something similar is mentioned in my favourite sw book Traitor by Vergere and it seems that is the direction the jedi philosophy is going, that there is no darkside or lightside. Maybe the grey jedi from the old republic were the first to realise this? _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Tamal - Student 
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I also completely agree with Vasper. What a great way to summarize the nature of the force  T. _______________ Tamal 
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R2D2 - Staff 
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I agree exactly with Vasper Similiar to Yin and Yang, our actions can be of the "Dark" or of the "Light." Our ability to control our emotions is one of the biggest factors in where we fall on this scale. Therefore, as you can see in the movies, Anakin was pretty emo and look where he ended up. Watch out for those emo kids! _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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In my opinion, and this might have been stated already. I think that there is just the Force. When Jedi speak of the Force talking to them and guiding them, I think it is just there own connection to it. Their mind-set and strength to it. There is no Lightside or Darkside of the Force. It is the Lightside and Darkside of ourselves. Almost every living think on earth feels some form of anger. Some learned and some instinctual. We as humans are capable of great acts of morality and kindness. However, we are also capable of horrific acts of violence, murder, and many other things. Most of which are done out of anger, rage, jealousy, greed....ect. So I think when a Jedi falls to the "Darkside", they are simply giving into that darker side of themselves. Letting their emotions and ambitions guide their actions and not their morality. Add the ability to use the force and you have one dangerous person. I think the Force symbolizes mans emotions and will. The Light and Dark side symbolize the things we are capable of when we bend to either side. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Quom Farlance - Student 
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First we need to clarify some things. Now let's look at your little situation, we have two opponents of two different sides of equal strength. Let's say that the darkside-user represents the darkside of the force and that the lightside- user represents the lightside of the force and these two sides are of equal strength because they are one... the Force. Think of it like yin and yang, the lightside and the darkside and together they make one symbol, a circle.. the Force. If 'black' would be missing then we only had the half of a circle and the same thing happens if 'white' would be missing. The point is.. if one of the two is missing then the circle is not complete and life would seize to exist. With this said the answer on your question would be that none of the two wins the battle, instead it will be an endless fight. This does not mean that both sides are always in balance, sometimes one side dominates and then the other one does but it will never last for long, both sides will try to remain in balance and at the very same time they try to break it. Now let me explain this in more detail. I also read some difficulties about the difference between the darkside and the lightside so let me too try to explain that a little. Forget that the two opponents are human beings, it are now two sides, something.. we can not see with the human eye, like the Force. The Force has two aspects, one light and one dark. The dark side lurks in the shadows, whispering to Force-users, tempting them with quick and easy access to power. While seemingly stronger, the dark side is only easier. It consists of the destructive impulses of all living beings. Anger, fear, hatred and aggression are expressions of the dark side, and such emotions can quickly lead a Force-user down the dark side's corrupting path. Early on in training, a Force-user finds that the dark side greatly enhances abilities. After time, the dark side fails to respond as quickly, and it demands more and more of those in its embrace. Both sides of the Force exist simultaneously, but not always in balance. Sometimes the light side has predominance; at other times, the dark side dominates. When the balance tips too far in either direction, conflict usually results. And in conflict, the dark side flourishes.Force-users of all light side traditions are warned from the very beginning of their training, in whatever terms they can comprehend, to beware the dark side. To give in to fear, to embrace anger, to relish aggression: These are the first steps on the dark path. The dark side dominates the destiny of any who follow it. It's easy to start down that path and exceedingly hard to step off it. Fear leads to the dark side of the Force. When a person gives into fear, he opens himself to anger. He directs anger at himself for being afraid and then unleashes it at the world around him as a way to mask his fear. The anger leads to hatred as the dark emotions grow more powerful and destructive. Hatred, full of hostility and animosity, sets the stage for suffering - the eventual destination of the dark path. Any Force-sensitive risks far more than suffering when delving into the dark side. More to the point, a Force-user who draws upon the dark side risks corruption and terrible loss in return for the shortcut to power that the dark path provides. Faster and easier, the dark side is quick to give of itself, but asks a terrible price in return. No matter how well a Force-user is trained, no matter how steeped in the techniques of the light, the temptation to draw on the fast and easy power of the dark side always exists. And that is only the beginning of the danger. Now here is the fun part. Let's go back to JKA shall we... There is a very interesting class given to our students within this community and I recommend that all of you should at least follow it once. This class is given by JaikoD'kana were he will teach you the wicked technique called 'the dance’. You will come to realize that it is the same thing as explained above. A situation: There are two Jedi that mastered 'the dance' and these two Jedi will duel each other. They will both try to attack their opponent and at the very same time they try to defend themselves, whether they are using force powers or not, in theory there is a balance. 'The dance' is a great technique but so are many other interesting techniques... The same counts for all the different philosophies in this world. Another interesting point that came to my attention is that the Jedi swear to extinguish all the sith and evil-doers in the universe.. this is quiet strange because even the greatest Jedi Master knows that if we would ever succeed in doing this it would destroy us all........ hmmmmmm ok this is a bit off topic... There is no proof that the Force exists but hopefully I managed to explain it a little. Ooh and before you start flaming me.. this is just a philosophy and I do not know if it's true or not or if I explained it correctly… anyway enough rambling for today.. peace _______________ Proud owner of Wicek's 2400th comment!Mindrith Pride's 1200th comment!Alex's 3100th comment!obi's 700th comment! "The measure of a truly great man is the courtesy with which he treats lesser men." This comment was edited by Quom Farlance on Nov 16 2005 06:32pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: I do not think the force boils down to dark and light. It seems more in what intet the power is used that defines its alignment, rather than its nature. I remember Buzz telling me about one of the SW books, where they stated that there is no dark side or light side, there is only the Force. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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I do not think the force boils down to dark and light. It seems more in what intet the power is used that defines its alignment, rather than its nature. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Being a trainer that teaches force classes, I'll throw my two cents in. Both sides of the force have their own advantages and disadvantages. Both can be used offensively and defensively. However, if you put two equally trained force users in the same room, one using dark side and one light side, the light side user has a greater chance at winning. I'll explain why. Dark force users rely on their powers a ton more than light side users. They rely on them to do as much damage as a lightsaber can, sometimes more or less. For example, a strike of lightning, if held long enough can do as much or more damage as a single red hit or a few yellow hits. They also rely on their powers to throw down their opponent's defenses, such as grip. They also rely GREATLY on the ability to heal with drain. As rage is not used so much these days, we'll skip that one. Let's look at the light side for a second. A light side user normally is more defensive. They rely on using powers such as mind trick, to keep their opponent from being able to see them. Also heal, to keep their health up. Protect to decrese any physical damage they may take. And absorb to gain force from their opponent, as well as "counter" any force attacks. With that being said, the light side user has the advantage. The only powers they'd really have to use are absorb and heal. Absorb is a dark side user's worse nightmare. They cannot do anything to a person using it other than use their saber, or a neutral power such as speed. A dark side user not being able to use their attacks, is now depending on their lightsaber skills. They had better hope that they are skilled enough with a saber to make up for their lack of force usage. If not, then the light side user has already won. The light side user will still be able to heal, especially if the dark side user continues to attempt to use force while their opponent's absorb is on, as it gives their opponent force. They will still be able to push/pull. They will still be able use protect and mind trick (which is easily countered by sense). They will still be able to use whatever force powers they have to their advantage, whereas the dark side user is forced to rely on their saber skills and a small amount of neutral powers. This of course all depends on the level of skill the two force users have. If they do not know how to counter eachother's attacks, then it could be a very close match. But for sake of argument, if they do know how to counter other force powers, the light side user will have a much greater chance of surviving. A dark side user's ultimate weakness is the light side. A light side user's ultimate weakness is a lightsaber. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Vaughn - Student 
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Ok. Before I read the other comments, Ill say this. in terms of two equal fighters.. one light sided and one dark sided.. who would win... Well... remember. The light side tends to be more passive, while the dark side tends to be more aggressive. That being said, the dark sider is more likely to be attacking more, and therefore have higher chanse of winning. That and the fact that they dont have a problem using the force to throw you around... pick you up and choke the life out of yuo.. or just lightning you to death... I think the dark would win for those reasons. Even though i play as light.  _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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