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Gradius - ex-Student  |
Ok, for those of you who still play Star Wars Galaxies, you're well aware that yet another CU is coming out within the month. I'm sure you remember the first CU, which totally ruined the game for most of it's players at first. There they added combat levels, took away stat migration, toned down the doctor profession (now they are as useful as entertainers), amongst other things. Well, if you thought that was bad, check the following links to see what they are changing now: Letter from the game producer Julio Torres General NGE (New Game Enhancement) FAQ Let's take a look at this shall we? First and foremost, there will now only be 9 professions. That's right, you read that correctly. 9 professions. These include Bounty Hunter, Commando, Entertainer, Medic, Officer, Smuggler, Spy, Trader, and last but not least, Jedi. Yes, Jedi will now be it's own profession no different from the rest. What's the point of this "enhancement" you might ask. According to studies from players, fan bases, and outside critics the game has too much content. In other words, it's too hard for a brand new player to learn everything there is to know about the game in 1 day. Also, in opposition of what the game was originally designed for, the profession revamp gives players the chance to play the role of their favorite Star Wars characters, rather than play their own role in the SW universe. Let's move on to an issue just as severe. Items will no longer decay. The economy of SWG revolves around crafting, the decaying of items, and purchasing replacements for them. Without item decay, crafters will now be screwed. Along with this, the economy of SWG will also be screwed. Now people will buy the best weapons, clothes, vehicles, etc., and never have to replace them. Goodbye crafters. All in all, the beauty that made SWG different from all other MMORPGs is being stripped out of the game. Not only that, but everyone and their mothers will be a Jedi. Now everyone will be the same professions, carry the same weapons, wear the same armor and so forth. Reminds me of Guild Wars. Sony has really done it this time. They took a freaking awesome game, added some of Slider's coding, and made it a game for every 10 year old to enjoy. GG. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This post was edited by Gradius on Nov 04 2005 12:25am. |
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Eica - Student 
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90%? Didn't even think it was that many... yet I doubt removing things from a game will attract new players, especially now at a time when the only publicity SWG recieves is through these combat upgrades _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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found a exploit so i should be lvl 90 in by sunday ^_^ _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Although I don't play galaxies anymore, this "upgrade" has astounded me, they were fully aware of the negativity they recieved from the last one, I don't see what would drive them to release another... Gamespy did a Q&A session with Julio Torres. He stated that the last CU had the same uproar, yet in the end they had only lost a very small number of their players. This is a much worse uproar, where SWG is going to lose 90% of it's veteran players, the actual base of the entire community. SOE doesn't care about this. They expect fresh faces to fill up these spots. Chances are that they'll get them too. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Eica - Student 
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I was thinking they'll realise tons of players have left their game (if they haven't already) and might use that as one of the ways to bring players back... Probably just wishful thinking on my behalf though _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Although I don't play galaxies anymore, this "upgrade" has astounded me, they were fully aware of the negativity they recieved from the last one, I don't see what would drive them to release another... Another thing is: do you think SWG will be made free to play? If enough folk are driven away from there accounts because of the upgrades, this might be a possible scenario i totaly agree with the first thing you said... but if they thought 'lets ruin our damn game so no one will play it' i doubt that they think about making it free to play  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Eica - Student
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Although I don't play galaxies anymore, this "upgrade" has astounded me, they were fully aware of the negativity they recieved from the last one, I don't see what would drive them to release another... Another thing is: do you think SWG will be made free to play? If enough folk are driven away from there accounts because of the upgrades, this might be a possible scenario _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Certain aspects of it are good. Certain aspects are awful. First and foremost - the Devs wanted to make the NGE be alot more like Star Wars...well then let's see some real Jedi then, shall we? Not a bunch of people running around with glowsticks that can do one or two parlour tricks. Alot of people are saying "Everyone and their dog is a Jedi!" - To that, I say: Of COURSE they are. What are you, a f***ing idiot? There may be more to Star Wars than Jedi, but what IS Star Wars WITHOUT Jedi? What these idiots are really sayin is - "I want to be a Jedi, but I don't want anyone else to be!". Which is retarded, everyone is thinking like you, dips***! The current Jedi system is a joke, is has potential but what do the devs know about that? They never listen to the players. SOE don't realise that they are the Vanilla Ice of the gaming industry. I have mixed feelings about this. Part of me thinks it's kinda cool and part of me hates it with a passion you could only dream of, but I keep playing it in hope that the Jedi profession will be fixed, because right now, alot of the game's aspects couldn't be furthar from Star Wars continuity. I know for a fact that 90% of the devs haven't even played the game - but I wonder how many of them have actually seen Star Wars? - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect This comment was edited by Virtue on Nov 19 2005 12:40pm. |
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Ventrel - Student 
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I think its more fun than the cu. Btw, my server does not lag infact it is a LOT faster to travel (10 second shuttle ride), actions and wearing clothes are instant and combat is good. Jedi are not the best class now, they can be easily beaten but they can also win as well. The game is balanced but just lacks content. Sorry about the guns and armour (I was a doctor too). I suggest you go commando and kick jedi's asses |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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all i will add to this is that the new beginner quests are actually very good, especially compared to what was there before, the biggest problem i can see is the lack of communication from SoE and the fact is has so obviously been rushed out against the players wishes. EDIT: oh and all the aforementioned problems.. they don't help ^^ _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Nov 19 2005 12:10am. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Well I wouldnt mind this upgrade if it wasnt were for 4 major factors: 1. The game is so unbelievably unbalanced now it isnt funny. Oh look 2 guys 15 levels lower than me... that should be easy... dead. Alot of the weapons didnt convert properly either. My good pistols all turned to crap. My 1 million credit pistol does less damage then my 10k credit pistol and they are both the same level...figure that out. 2. There are so many freaking bugs. Browsing vendors and bazaar has become a pain because of this. Oh look force lightning and saber say they slow down people. 10 mins later on a mission... Oh hey look a level 60 stormtrooper who is 20 levels lower than me. Hey I am gonna slow you down so you cant run. 5 secs later... OH MY GOD HE IS ON SPEED HE IS RUNNING LAPS AROUND DANTOOINE! 20 minutes later...Oh look that level 60 spy wants to duel me. 2 minutes later ... WTF I CANT HIT HIM HE IS TOO FAST! 3. Everyone and their mother is a jedi. I go anywhere and they are asking how to do tasks that can be easily figured out on their own how to do. How do you make a lightsaber? LOOK at your profession skills and you will notice you get SCHEMATICS for them and the crafting kit. Now come on it isnt that hard to figure out. Asking where to get the robe is the only excuseable question. 4. I dont know about your servers but since mine came up with the NGE on the server, it has lagged to hell. Also mmorpg servers that were previously rpg servers are not capable of the fps like twitching action. The space twitch based gameplay didnt have a problem... but the ground combat twitch based system is so lagged up its not funny. Abilities take up to 10 secs to use with a median of about 4 secs to use. Come on that isnt right at all. Overall I think it has potential for fun if the above factors would change plus the additional few: 1.Add another melee profession. The majority of people were some sort of melee profession. They got rid of professions because no one was using them. Oh a majority of the server is using it. That means it was being used. 2.Add more skills. By level 90 you only have about 5 skills. You get upgraded forms of the same attacks making it look like you got more than you actually do. 3. Remove armor restrictions for all professions but jedi. I was a doctor before the NGE. After the NGE medics wear recon armor?! What kind of crap is that. So now they make me buy new armor after they crapped up my guns? This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Nov 17 2005 02:58pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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that sounds like the game is only in alpha state _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Last night some buddies and I were going to try and take out an Ancient Krayt Dragon. We got to the graveyard and stood around for a few minutes getting everything in order. Right before we were about to begin, we noticed an Elder Jedi running up to a Giant Krayt Dragon, which is far easier to kill than an Ancient one...or WAS at least. The Elder Jedi ran up to the dragon and hit it once with his saber. About a half second later, he was dead on the ground. About another 5 seconds later, he had an (LD) above his head. Was actually one of the funniest things I've ever seen in this game. Needless to say, my group and I packed up and went on back into town without even attempting such a feat. We weren't all Jedi, we were all actually ranged professions. But we weren't going to take that chance. And in agreement with what Monteee said, some sort of lock-on ability like there was before the update would be great. On a completely different note, if you've respec'd you have probably noticed that you don't get any of the items that you earn at certain levels. Fear not, there is a hotfix on it's way to fix that. Only thing is, you have to use at least 2 respecs if you want all of the items for your current professions. Let's say you're a Jedi, which you probably are, you have to respec to another profession then back to Jedi in order to receive all of your Jedi items. So save at least 2 respecs for this if you can! Other than that, melee vs. ranged combat is in the crapper. Ranged professions get the vast amount of damage. Medics are extremely useless, as all professions can heal themselves, and Medics have horrible ranged combat. Spies are cool, but are easily killed. And get this, they wear battle armor! You'd think that Spies would get recon armor. All in all, they have a LOT of fixing to do. All around combat is just annoying. Tons of skill bugs. Did I mention that everyone and their mother is a Jedi now? Speaking of Jedi, they are completely useless. They can't even hold their own anymore against 2 creatures 15 levels lower than them.  _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Nov 16 2005 11:12pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: I'm CL 80 BH, went with a group of four jedi to take down a CL 80 Gurk lair. Two jedi fell to one gurk, I had to kill both of them, which was relativey easy. Both were incapped again, both died, and you know the XP we get per kill? Less than 140. Before it was over 6000. Consisering i have over a million XP to get to cl 82, it means i have to kill 10000 enemies. Sweet mother of mercy! ''The NGE is pure dang nasty evil man!!!'' yea the devs hate jedi's im a cl 81 jedi and i get pwn3d by a whomp rat... its silly, the combat is daft, if they had a target lock cmd it might make it somewhat easier.. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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I'm CL 80 BH, went with a group of four jedi to take down a CL 80 Gurk lair. Two jedi fell to one gurk, I had to kill both of them, which was relativey easy. Both were incapped again, both died, and you know the XP we get per kill? Less than 140. Before it was over 6000. Consisering i have over a million XP to get to cl 82, it means i have to kill 10000 enemies. Sweet mother of mercy! ''The NGE is pure dang nasty evil man!!!'' _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment  DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Just when I was thinking of joining up, they go and take out all the things that made me consider it Saved me some money I guess, only one thing left to do.. *dances on swg's grave* _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Mister Clutch - Student 
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Oh well i canceled my acount for the time being. The NGE was cool and fun to play for like one week at the testcenters. After that the game just becomes to boring for me. It was fun for as long it lasted lol. The trill of working hard to obtain higher professions is gone. Since everything is devided in 9 basic professions wich are only a shadow of what they use to be. Jedi are basic prof :/; the melee fighters have almost completely vanished; -no more bounty hunters wich can hunt jedi wich made the game even more fun; goodbye to grinding and the good old hunts. /salutes the old swg |
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bono_bob - Student |
whats wrong with taking away stat migration? *EDIT* the next update seems pretty sweet to me. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Nov 15 2005 03:37am. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Yeah, I just bought an awesome Logitech mouse, but the problem with it is after so many clicks it stops working. Or so I hear. The NGE will break my mouse! And the word for the release date is the 15th, which everyone is convinced about. I have yet to find any official statement regaurding it though. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Quote: Play the NGE on the test servers before you make a pre-judgment. I did, it was alot like Battlefront as an MMORPG, which has potential but is not what SWG should be like. First thing I was able to do during the creation of my character was press the Jedi button and become a Jedi. Was rather rediculous. I completely enjoy the game the way it is now more. It requires alot more thinking and planning ahead. This NGE is for little kids. Wtf you were playing it and didnt tell me Well I have played SWG on and off since it came out. I have gone through the undoing of jedi permadeath to this NGE that is coming out very shortly. The NGE will kill all melee combat forever. You can not hit anyone who is a ranged attacker at all in melee if they run around. Part of this is due too lag the other is due to who knows what. I noticed when i was fighting ranged combat guys they didnt always have the movement debuff for using a gun ( not sure if any had it at all). Another thing is that if you play the NGE for a week, you will need a new mouse after that week. You have to click so many times to kill something. I am not looking forward to taking other level 90 things out with clicking. If it takes as long as it does now, my finger will wear out before i kill it. I dont mind the new stat changes. It isnt a bad idea. I am use to skill mods but it isnt too big of a deal. Though crafters will hurt from the loss of experimentation skill mods. So if you need a weapon or armor crafted, you should do it before the NGE. Since the decay is leaving it will last forever after the NGE. The new class system is horrible though. There will not be nearly as many templates as there was before. There will be only 9 different ones I think. That was the thing that made the game so great was the diverse number of templates and the ability to start all over at will. That is lost now and will definitely hurt the game. All in all you will see a great burst in jedi, but within a month there will likely be very few unless they make it easier to do melee combat. I dont know if SOE will keep this like they did the CU because I think this is 10x as bad as the CU. Edit: Also forgot to mention this all people will be able to have 2 characters per galaxy starting soon. I am not sure when it will take effect. This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Nov 11 2005 04:18pm. |
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Krazzed - Student 
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when is this CU coming out..... _______________ (\__/) (O.o ) (> < ) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
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Rinzler - Student 
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most mmorpgs expand themselves, looks like galaxies are going the other way there _______________ I fite for teh usars!1 |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Quote: Play the NGE on the test servers before you make a pre-judgment. I did, it was alot like Battlefront as an MMORPG, which has potential but is not what SWG should be like. First thing I was able to do during the creation of my character was press the Jedi button and become a Jedi. Was rather rediculous. I completely enjoy the game the way it is now more. It requires alot more thinking and planning ahead. This NGE is for little kids. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Mister Clutch - Student 
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Play the NGE on the test servers before you make a pre-judgment. |
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o2b - Student 
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Quote: This is a double hit for BHs. Good thing is that theres more Jedi and easier Jedi to hunt.......but the bad thing is...as Gradius so rightly pointed out...''Everyone and their mothers will be a Jedi.''......BHs are experts in PvP but now we will face packs of Jedi....... I guess you missed the part where they said player bounties were being taken out of the game...so no BH hunting jedi anymore. Another really neat thing that SOE are taking out of the game is the ability to drop your current profession when you're sick of it, and start a new one. Now, once you start a prof, you're stuck with it for the life of your character. Sure, you can delete it and re-roll, but what happens to all your structures and things like reward items which are claimable on only one character per account? It's certainly not a patch on pre-CU SWG :/ and yes, I'm not dead :p |
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Raz - Student 
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Quote: Reminds me of Guild Wars. Omg, leave Guild Wars out of this!  |
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