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D@RtHM@UL - Student  |
I've been reading a lot of Star Wars stuff lately, and watched the movies, and I was wondering who was the best Saberist. As far as I've read and seen, the 3 best would be Yoda, Mace Windu and The Emperor. But since we've not seen any of these fight each other untill death, we haven't really seen who's stronger. In the fight between Mace Windu and The Emperor, Mace was definitly better than The Emperor, but I'm pretty positive The Emperor wasn't fighting at his best but just waiting untill Anakin would come in. The battle between Yoda and The Emperor wasn't really a good fight to determine who was better. The battleground sucked because of the difference in height, and Yoda eventually fell and fled. Even though Yoda and The Emperor were both tired, I'm pretty sure they could've continued the fight for atleast a little bit longer. Mace Windu was the only one besides Depa Billaba that fully mastered Vaapad, probably considered the strongest saberstyle, but also the hardest. Yoda and The Emperor both mastered Ataru, though The Emperor used a variation of the Form. What's your opinion of who the best Saberist is? This would be in a Lightsaber duel to the death, no Force Powers used. Myself, I'd probably say this: 1. Yoda 2. Mace Windu 3. The Emperor This post was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 27 2005 12:43pm. |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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Exar K'un?  Mace Windu vs. Depa Billaba would have been an awesome fight, seeing as they both use the Vaapad/ Juyo lightsaber forms...... _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment  DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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Vruki Salet - Student 
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I say Yoda because he was an aknowledged master of all the forms (7 too? well i don't know) but more importantly no matter how good Mace was Yoda was *his* master. Mace beat Sidious with the saber. I agree that Sidious wasn't trying, was fighting purely defensively, for most of the fight but my opinion is that Mace's kick that sent Sidious' saber flying was a real f***-up for Sidious and would have meant the end for him and his plans if he hadn't been stronger than Mace in force powers and also had Anakin's help. As far as Sidious' fight with Yoda goes it wasn't decided by sabers but again by force powers and, in the end when they both blasted each other equally off the platforms with that force explosion Yoda was unlucky enough to fall into a bad position where in a weakened state he couldn't get a grip. I'd say it was a case of Yoda > Sidious in saber, Sidious >= Yoda in force, and Yoda < Sidious in his luck and, uh, the script. |
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Future - Student 
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I think Master Windu is the best saberist, because he is the strongest of them. Yoda and the Emperor are more powerfull when it comes to force powers, they have not done so much training with their sabers that master Windu has. But as I said: Windu is weaker when it comes to force powers. This is my opinion. _______________ Trust your instincts. Training partner Ma0s Proud owner of: Ma0s 200th and 222th comment 
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome Yeah, would've liked to see the important Jedi Council Members being killed better than being shot down, or sliced in 1 sec. You saw Ki-Adi-Mundi deflecting some Blaster Bolts before getting owned, they should've done that for some more Councillers. Yeah i agree, for example Aayla Secura was supposidly well respected by her troops on Felucia and wielded twin sabers (although this seems to vary in other cases so i dunno if its correct), i think she would of sensed a sudden hostile intent at the very least (as they were not in combat when they shot her) or maybe they would of even given her a chance to fight back but meh. Indeed, most of the Council Members were amongst the greatest Jedi, yet only Master Yoda was able to sense the hostility of the Clones. Maybe Jedi in Ships or Speeders like Ploo Koon and Stacie Allie (sp?) wouldn't have been able to sense it. But Aayla Secura, Ki-Adi-Mundi and others should've been able to sense it coming. A|exander: In the movie you only see Aayla Secura carry 1 Lightsaber. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome Yeah, would've liked to see the important Jedi Council Members being killed better than being shot down, or sliced in 1 sec. You saw Ki-Adi-Mundi deflecting some Blaster Bolts before getting owned, they should've done that for some more Councillers. Yeah i agree, for example Aayla Secura was supposidly well respected by her troops on Felucia and wielded twin sabers (although this seems to vary in other cases so i dunno if its correct), i think she would of sensed a sudden hostile intent at the very least (as they were not in combat when they shot her) or maybe they would of even given her a chance to fight back but meh. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Jan 14 2006 09:10pm. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome Yeah, would've liked to see the important Jedi Council Members being killed better than being shot down, or sliced in 1 sec. You saw Ki-Adi-Mundi deflecting some Blaster Bolts before getting owned, they should've done that for some more Councillers. |
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Kukok - Student 
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i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Yeah I was personally hoping to see Kit Fisto get down with his saber skills  Oh well another dream shattered! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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{JASA}GhosT - Student 
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FTW!!!!!!! 11 one SIFO-DYAS !!!one./slashwun!! lol duh |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: Yeah There is no way that Obi-Wan could've came close to handling Sidious in the duel He and Yoda fought. In my opinion, if Dooku could catch Obi-Wan with 2 force throws, I don't think he could've even come close to beating Sidious. He was just too strong in the force. People say Sidious is the best cause he took out 3 Masters real fast. I think they were just caught off guard. As sad as it sounds. Here is this politician they have known for a very long time and all of a sudden he's rushing thru the air at them with a lightsaber. I think he got lucky. I must say that that scene was pretty lame, if you really think about it, it makes no sense that he took out 3 of them. All you see them do there is wait their turn to get killed, you don't see them attack him or do ANYTHING, pretty dumb IMO. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Yeah i think he got lucky taking two out in one move as well, they new he was a Sith Lord but maybe they were overconfident and underestimated him. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Yeah There is no way that Obi-Wan could've came close to handling Sidious in the duel He and Yoda fought. In my opinion, if Dooku could catch Obi-Wan with 2 force throws, I don't think he could've even come close to beating Sidious. He was just too strong in the force. People say Sidious is the best cause he took out 3 Masters real fast. I think they were just caught off guard. As sad as it sounds. Here is this politician they have known for a very long time and all of a sudden he's rushing thru the air at them with a lightsaber. I think he got lucky. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Anakin was the chosen one, he was special thats true, although i do not think that has anything to do with saber skill. At the time of Episode 3 he was similar in style to Obi Wan, perhaps more agressive in the way he fought, as we saw it was Obi Wan's calm that proved better in the end. When he became Darth Vader his style changed, his movement was restricted in the suit so he developed a brutal style that while powerful didn't leave him open. I'd say he never suppased all his peers in saber combat myself, although his sheer anger made him powerful. My opinion is that Sidious would of proved to cunning and ingenuitive for Obi Wan, i think combat has a lot more depth than who is more skilled with the blade, it can be a battle of the mind, the fight between Obi and Anakin is a good example. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: no but Palpatine wouldnt have taken him on if he didnt think he would turn out any good.. obi1 admitted he would be far greater jedi than him and even yoda and palpitine said b4 their fight started, Anakin will become more powerful than any of us. etc. so no... its nothing like saying qui gon would be the best  Palpatine claimed Anakin would become far more powerful than the both of them. Yoda said that Palpatine's faith in Anakin maybe misplaced. |
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Dark. - Student 
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no but Palpatine wouldnt have taken him on if he didnt think he would turn out any good.. obi1 admitted he would be far greater jedi than him and even yoda and palpitine said b4 their fight started, Anakin will become more powerful than any of us. etc. so no... its nothing like saying qui gon would be the best _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: well, does any1 know if yoda was better when he was younger (without a walking stick ;p)? I can imagine, if he was just as strong in the force as he was when he was more err, younger, he would definately be my choice for best saberist. but then again, Anakin WOULD have been better if he didnt get his arse kicked in by ob1. You cant say obi1 would have been the best ever because he got his ass kicked by dooku. As someone has alrdy said, palpatine wasnt determined to beat mace windu, he was waiting for anakin to come in and turn him to the dark.. well there are loads of points to be made on this but imo, its impossible to say who was the best saberist.. That's like saying Qui-Gon would've been better if Maul didn't killed him. The fact that Obi-Wan cut off both of Anakin's legs and 1 arm proves Anakin was less good than Obi-Wan. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: Of course there is a major difference between playing TFFA and duels. The most obvious one is: you have teammates. lol No matter how much individual skill each player in the team has, if the team as a whole doesnt work together, then they wont be as successful as a team which mainly relies on teamplay. Although individual skill surely helps, it doesnt win TFFA's by itself. I agree though, its a shame dureal didnt duel everyone with a reputation back then, thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. However, him beeing the most successful dueler, is pretty much what i was referring to when i said: Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. /off-topic In the SW Universe? I wouldn't mind going 1 on 1 with him in JKII |
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Dark. - Student 
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Quote: thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. also making it impossible for him being better than them argh - thats the last off topic comment i make. _______________ xfire: smithy182 This comment was edited by Dark. on Jan 01 2006 02:52pm. |
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Dark. - Student
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yeah i meant TFFA as in the player that puts the most influence in the side or who has the biggest impact - but anyway - get bak on topic ;p _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Of course there is a major difference between playing TFFA and duels. The most obvious one is: you have teammates. lol No matter how much individual skill each player in the team has, if the team as a whole doesnt work together, then they wont be as successful as a team which mainly relies on teamplay. Although individual skill surely helps, it doesnt win TFFA's by itself. I agree though, its a shame dureal didnt duel everyone with a reputation back then, thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. However, him beeing the most successful dueler, is pretty much what i was referring to when i said: Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. /off-topic _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dark. - Student
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Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. heh, i dunno about that. i've seen some pretty other sick players in my time.. like the 'oldskool' players of zedi.. would have been nice to see dureal facing twilight,sleepy,blindside or lazy for example. but yeh - dureal is definately the most successful dueler ever in JKa. But, he hasnt faced the other 'greats' and ive definately seen better in TFFA.. thats my opinion.. _______________ xfire: smithy182 This comment was edited by Dark. on Jan 01 2006 12:22pm. |
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Dark. - Student
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well, does any1 know if yoda was better when he was younger (without a walking stick ;p)? I can imagine, if he was just as strong in the force as he was when he was more err, younger, he would definately be my choice for best saberist. but then again, Anakin WOULD have been better if he didnt get his arse kicked in by ob1. You cant say obi1 would have been the best ever because he got his ass kicked by dooku. As someone has alrdy said, palpatine wasnt determined to beat mace windu, he was waiting for anakin to come in and turn him to the dark.. well there are loads of points to be made on this but imo, its impossible to say who was the best saberist.. _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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Casual - Student 
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: I would Like to add,though not to tick off every guy and gal here, but "dueling" and fighting are completely different.Dueling has rule persay,and fighting ,,well doesnt.So please try to take that into account as sabering would probably involve both. good point, although i think most of us here are talking about fighting rather than dueling, then again certain jedi were experts against certain opponants or situations, Obi Wan for example was very good at fighting large groups of blaster weilding enemies (droids for example) after several years of war. Likewise the jedi of the new NJO became amazing fighters as they had to fight powerful skilled melee fighters (yuuzhan vong) without the force, many of them could well be incredible saberists yet they havn't been described well enough.There are plenty of other examples of course. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: I would Like to add,though not to tick off every guy and gal here, but "dueling" and fighting are completely different.Dueling has rule persay,and fighting ,,well doesnt.So please try to take that into account as sabering would probably involve both. Hehe, true. Though I would call duelling to the death, fighting |
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