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D@RtHM@UL - Student  |
I've been reading a lot of Star Wars stuff lately, and watched the movies, and I was wondering who was the best Saberist. As far as I've read and seen, the 3 best would be Yoda, Mace Windu and The Emperor. But since we've not seen any of these fight each other untill death, we haven't really seen who's stronger. In the fight between Mace Windu and The Emperor, Mace was definitly better than The Emperor, but I'm pretty positive The Emperor wasn't fighting at his best but just waiting untill Anakin would come in. The battle between Yoda and The Emperor wasn't really a good fight to determine who was better. The battleground sucked because of the difference in height, and Yoda eventually fell and fled. Even though Yoda and The Emperor were both tired, I'm pretty sure they could've continued the fight for atleast a little bit longer. Mace Windu was the only one besides Depa Billaba that fully mastered Vaapad, probably considered the strongest saberstyle, but also the hardest. Yoda and The Emperor both mastered Ataru, though The Emperor used a variation of the Form. What's your opinion of who the best Saberist is? This would be in a Lightsaber duel to the death, no Force Powers used. Myself, I'd probably say this: 1. Yoda 2. Mace Windu 3. The Emperor This post was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 27 2005 12:43pm. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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i'll add that in my opinion the least developed aspect of the new jedi, such as Jacen Solo etc. is that the authors have not described how they fight as well as they could of. Sometimes the small detail of a characters saber color is left out, i find it irritating lol  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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yeah i do think Windu was probably the greatest saberist of his age, mainly because like Jacen Solo he wasn't afraid to use anger and other emotions that people rush to call dark, this made his style (vaapad) which he mastered incredibly hard to duel against. While you are correct in that he was a very calm person, the nature of Vaapad actually required him to do the opposite, he would use his emotions, such as anger to fuel the style and could often become stronger if he was facing a tough oponant such as sidious. some good points there C'au  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Dec 30 2005 06:05pm. |
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Quote: Obiwan, he was a legend, such dedication, such knowlege and such skill....he was darth vader...doubt u know what i mean though :p Obi-Wan was a VERY skilled Saberist, and probably the greatest in his Form, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't have beated Yoda, Mace Winu or the Emperor, seeing as he was pretty much owned by Count Dooku who was weaker than the ones in the Poll. But remember, wasnt count dooku meant to be the greatest saberist ever in his young days? Surely in his 'older' age (which he was in ep.2&3) he still had some of that original class still with him and in his younger age, he would have been a more than equal match for the great Mace windu! After all....it mainly took three of them in episode 2, Obiwan and Anakin getting injured rather badly and even yoda couldnt defeat him, although he did weaken him rather substantially! Come to think of it, i agree with you on your point which u made about Obiwan Being the best of his form but i think that he would have been able to defeat yoda, if he for some strange scenario, had to face him...Obiwan shows that sheer determination, something which he showed more then ANY of the other characters (apart from Luke Skywalker, who wouldnt give in to the dark side) in Episode 1, where he was cornered by, not a superior saberist, but by one who took advantage of the surroundings around him....(Darth Maul!!!!)...Maul not only managed to keep both obi and qui-gon at bay but he had the advantage of those timed sheild things which helped spark Obiwan's determination when he saw his master getting defeated by Darth Maul. Even as Obiwan lost his saber, his pure determination and you could say 'anger' at his masters death helped him think it wasnt over and that he wasnt going to die/lose this epic duel so he grabbed his masters saber and completely outclassed what Maul was thinking (Maul underestimated him there for a second which lead to his downfall) Ive gone completely off the subject but the hell with that lol Ok...my mind is changing as i cant argue with what u said about Obiwan being the best saberist but i instead agree with u on your thought of him being the greatest saberist of his 'form'. Ok, i think Mace Windu is the greatest saberist of all time. He was elegant, Calm, showed little or no emotion it seemed, was a good talker too and most importantly, he could duel and duel well! If i remember, Cheshire Cat once told me that it would basically be impossible on a one on one duel between Mace Windu and another jedi/sith for Windu to be defeated because his style is just too good, cant really remember but i wouldnt mind it if Cheshire had a word in on this if u could please Whoa....i havent answered the question at all...ive just confused myself and you probably lol!  Hope you can understand what im saying |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: Obiwan, he was a legend, such dedication, such knowlege and such skill....he was darth vader...doubt u know what i mean though :p Obi-Wan was a VERY skilled Saberist, and probably the greatest in his Form, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't have beated Yoda, Mace Winu or the Emperor, seeing as he was pretty much owned by Count Dooku who was weaker than the ones in the Poll. |
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Obiwan, he was a legend, such dedication, such knowlege and such skill....he was darth vader...doubt u know what i mean though :p |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: yeah it was a shame he died, although i found it hard to complain as they so rarely kill off main characters, and his death was very powerfully written in my opinion. Aye I definitly agree there. I get really into those books as I read them and as I read that part I shed a tear for him. Very pwerful scene indeed. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: Yeah Anakin Solo is definitly one of my fav's. It sucks that he has to die. Mara Jade Skywalker said that if he survived the YV invasion he would be the most poerful Jedi of his generation. Even at 17 years old, the time of his death He was extremely powerful in the force. Think of a Sith dueling with furious anger. It is said that some of the old sith lords actually has lightning coming off of their bodies. In Anakins last battle (where he died) He was so in tune with the Light side that his skin actually glowed. I think he would have surpassed the level of alot of the old masters. yeah it was a shame he died, although i found it hard to complain as they so rarely kill off main characters, and his death was very powerfully written in my opinion. As you mentioned he grew so strong in the force his weakened body (he had been stabbed and poisoned, and was likely to die without medical attention) could not contain the energy; he was litterally glowing with the force. He died giving his friends along with Jacen and Jaina Solo enough time to escape a small army of yuuzhan vong and he took many of them with him. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Yeah Anakin Solo is definitly one of my fav's. It sucks that he has to die. Mara Jade Skywalker said that if he survived the YV invasion he would be the most poerful Jedi of his generation. Even at 17 years old, the time of his death He was extremely powerful in the force. Think of a Sith dueling with furious anger. It is said that some of the old sith lords actually has lightning coming off of their bodies. In Anakins last battle (where he died) He was so in tune with the Light side that his skin actually glowed. I think he would have surpassed the level of alot of the old masters. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: Anakin was going to be a great character and jedi, his death worked well but its shame because he would of probably been my favourite if he had stayed alive, had loads of potential Meh, I want to read that stuff aswell |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Anakin was going to be a great character and jedi, his death worked well but its shame because he would of probably been my favourite if he had stayed alive, had loads of potential _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: Jaina Solo is pretty cool, she has a sexeh purple saber as well. Only a few books here in Holland where Jacen, Jaina and Anakin appear in. And they are only little and hardly have any abilities, so I don't know much about them. I know Anakin dies, that's pretty much it. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Jaina Solo is pretty cool, she has a sexeh purple saber as well. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: Well here is what I reckon, Luke Skywalker after the yuuzhan vong wars was certainly amazingly skilled with his saber and more importantly the force however he didnt have much in the way of a saber using oppenent in this era, the yuuzhan vong amphistaffs couldnt really be anything like a saber so pitting everybody mentioned at the peak of their powers with no force (although it is silly to say that because in-game it affects jump etc but in RL (well kinda) it helped concentration and accuracy also) I really dont know who would come out on top but I dont think Mace Windu although being ridiculously cool would get to the top. True, I said without Force Powers cause we all know Palpatine is just a skilless Lightning spammer Mace would be #1 for me if it was a Saber Color contest tho!  |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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Mastz00r and chesh have got the views that i agree with tbh and im not really sure if there is anything i can add _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Jarhok Belouve - Student 
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Well here is what I reckon, Luke Skywalker after the yuuzhan vong wars was certainly amazingly skilled with his saber and more importantly the force however he didnt have much in the way of a saber using oppenent in this era, the yuuzhan vong amphistaffs couldnt really be anything like a saber so pitting everybody mentioned at the peak of their powers with no force (although it is silly to say that because in-game it affects jump etc but in RL (well kinda) it helped concentration and accuracy also) I really dont know who would come out on top but I dont think Mace Windu although being ridiculously cool would get to the top. _______________ -JARHOK BELOUVE- Unofficial Paddy to the great Squibit Belouve and Solitudes snog machine! |||||||||||||||||||||||PRONOUNCED JARHOK TEH S3X3H by Alexander D'kana||||||||||||||||||||||||| Loves Liso'sia! Uber new Belouve boy! My special people: Squibit Belouve,Roan Belouve,Bail Hope Belouve and of course the lovely Liso'sia! |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: And I couldn't find the previous post about this subject Mastz00r. There you go <3 Quote: What's up with the guy you mentioned? Never seen him before. Do you mean he's a great dueller in JKJA? Or where you kidding around? Yea its quite a shame that people who spent their entire jk3-career in an "enclosed" gaming community such as the JA, are going to suffer from something i like to call the "bubble-effect" which basically just limits their jk3 experience to everything that has happened within this community and makes them deaf to the rest of the world. However, even though the world outside might be a cruel one filled with spammers, pokers, flamers, powerhungry admins and crappy mods, one shouldnt just close his eyes to it. After all, our skill in jk3 can only prosper and grow through challenges and experiences which are the very foundations of improvment. But errr...yea, the guy i mentioned is pretty much the best jk3 player. First intention of this post was supposed to be who was the best of the 3 mentioned in the poll, not in general, but I guess I phrased it wrong. No offense, but I always find it hard to call someone the best at something. I mean, you call him the best at jk3, but I never even seen him, let alone duelled him. Maybe if we duelled, I'd own his ass... (just an example lol, I'm sure he'd own me with 100/50 remaining since I'm a nub ). This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 27 2005 04:46pm. |
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Quote: And I couldn't find the previous post about this subject Mastz00r. There you go <3 Quote: What's up with the guy you mentioned? Never seen him before. Do you mean he's a great dueller in JKJA? Or where you kidding around? Yea its quite a shame that people who spent their entire jk3-career in an "enclosed" gaming community such as the JA, are going to suffer from something i like to call the "bubble-effect" which basically just limits their jk3 experience to everything that has happened within this community and makes them deaf to the rest of the world. However, even though the world outside might be a cruel one filled with spammers, pokers, flamers, powerhungry admins and crappy mods, one shouldnt just close his eyes to it. After all, our skill in jk3 can only prosper and grow through challenges and experiences which are the very foundations of improvment. But errr...yea, the guy i mentioned is pretty much the best jk3 player. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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purple. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: In the fight between Mace Windu and The Emperor, Mace was definitly better than The Emperor, but I'm pretty positive The Emperor wasn't fighting at his best but just waiting untill Anakin would come in. yeah but you have to take into consideration that at the beginning of that fight the Emperor took out 3 Jedi Masters with 5 swings(im pretty sure). and then bam at the end is laying on the floor with a Purple saber right in his face... that right there IMO shows just how Good Windu(my fav SW character BTW) is. now im just stating my opinion of course.. Definitly true, but if Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Anakin Skywalker and The Emperor came to arrest Mace Windu or Yoda, I'm sure both would've been able to take out Anakin and Maul without any problem, and Dooku not too much effort aswell. |
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Cheshire Cat: I was mainly wondering about who of the 3 mentioned in the Poll would be the strongest, since I know Luke Skywalker is amazingly strong during the later books, and the old Sith Lords aswell. And yeah, it's Ataru, I misspelled Mastz00r: Nice point, I know Kit Fisto was a great Saberist aswell, Saessee Tiin and Eeth Koth I don't really know, since they weren't really important characters. And I couldn't find the previous post about this subject Mastz00r. What's up with the guy you mentioned? Never seen him before. Do you mean he's a great dueller in JKJA? Or where you kidding around? I'm sure Lord Exar Kun could've taken on Mace Windu and Yoda, since his power was huge, and it took a LOT of Jedi to finally destroy him. Luke Skywalker at the end of the Yuuzhan Vong wars was damn good aswell, probably equally powerful as Yoda or Windu IMO, though as mentioned by Mastz00r, it's hard to tell since it all depends on the opponent's strategy. This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 27 2005 12:43pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I dont think it is possible to say with certainty who the best saberist of his/her time was anyway, unless this saberist faced all other potential "best saberists" in combat and won. Infact, i actually doubt in the existance of "one, best saberist" mainly because there are just too many factors which can decide the outcome of a fight. One who might possess the necessary skill to overcome a certain kind of saberist, might find himself lacking against a different kind of saberist. For example, lets take a look at the poor jedi masters who were accompanying Windu in ep3. For all we know, they couldve been great saberists, in possession of great skill and a lot of experience in combat. However, when faced against such an unique saberist, their knowledge and experience mightve failed them not because they are lacking it, but rather because they are faced with a threat which renders all these great and renowned techniques useless. Just like a seasoned yellow stancer in jk3 who enjoyed his winning streak, until a staffer showed up %) (on basejka of course) For all we know, Windu himself mightve been lacking against certain kinds of opponents, thus letting other jedi masters who are more seasoned in other areas of lightsaber combat accompany him. In hope of letting their skills make up for the lack of his own skills and vice versa. I doubt that Windu seriously joined forces with unexperienced saberists and only used their numbers for intimidation purposes or something like that... I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. Oh and i think there was a thread with a similiar topic already... _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Dec 27 2005 02:56am. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: http://mitglied.lycos.de/totalpwnage/K2_00114.jpg However, that has been said a long time before Episode 1. I still like that quote even though it might not carry much validity, thus making this post quite an uncontributive and unnecessary addition to the topic. /spam %) yeah i was trying to say that myself, theres just so many periods, some people back then say ancient sith masters could wipe the floor with everyone, but then they never met Jacen Solo etc. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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http://mitglied.lycos.de/totalpwnage/K2_00114.jpg However, that has been said a long time before Episode 1. I still like that quote even though it might not carry much validity, thus making this post quite an uncontributive and unnecessary addition to the topic. /spam %) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Pink_Mintaka - Student 
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Quote: In the fight between Mace Windu and The Emperor, Mace was definitly better than The Emperor, but I'm pretty positive The Emperor wasn't fighting at his best but just waiting untill Anakin would come in. yeah but you have to take into consideration that at the beginning of that fight the Emperor took out 3 Jedi Masters with 5 swings(im pretty sure). and then bam at the end is laying on the floor with a Purple saber right in his face... that right there IMO shows just how Good Windu(my fav SW character BTW) is. now im just stating my opinion of course.. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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well i think from reading the novel of episode 3 and the prequal (labarinth of evil) i would say Mace Windu is better than the Sidious, a quick note i belive its Ataru* rather than Akaru, Yoda masters this form as it utilises ariels and speed that take advantage of and make up for his small stature. However i think its very hard to answer this question on the grounds given, merely because there is a huge period of time seperating the different eras of star wars. Currently that i know of these are the eras: #Very old republic (about 16k before yavin) #Old republic (4-5k before yavin upto episode 3) #Empire (20 years before yavin - 6 1/2 years after yavin, the fall of coruscant) #new republic (upto 25 years after yavin) #New Jedi Order/Invasion period (25-40 years after yavin, during Yuuzhan Vong invasion and just after) #Legacy period (40+) for example i could say Luke Skywalker in the NJO period is the best saberist, but not Luke Skywalker before that point, argh it all gets very confusing. For me its probably either Reven (or another very old jedi/sith), then Mace from his period, then Luke Skywalker from the latest. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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