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Michael Moore Being Sued Over Fahrenheit 9/11
Jun 02 2006 10:17pm

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Jun 21 2006 04:05am

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Yahoo is horrible at archiving their news stories
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Jun 20 2006 06:57pm

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the forum title pretty much says it all hehe

Jun 20 2006 12:27pm

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Lawlz, page removed. :P
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Jun 15 2006 08:28am

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You realize that you have just said that if we remove the tax cuts now that we will make even more money than they have generated. The tax cuts are what have brought those increased revenues, you take them away and the revenue increase goes away. Ever hear of the Laffer Curve?


Here's a link where some experts address the subject. http://www.cbpp.org/3-8-06tax.htm

Apparently Bush's own estimates of his tax revenues falls almost half a trillion dollars short of revenue projections before the tax cuts.

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And you do know that we were sliding into a recession in late 2000 early 2001.


Yes I do. Less than a year of recession apparently is enough to say that the policies that led to a great economy in clinton's eight years weren't effective. Oh wait...no it isn't.

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The exit strategy is victory. The idea that we need an exit strategy before hand is about as ridiculous as expecting a battle plan to run the entire course of the war without any alterations or completely new tactics. What if we had an exit strategy that in 3 years we'd leave the country? What do you think would happen with that plan? Care to show me the exit strategy of any other war America has been in?


Having an exit plan before hand is not ridiculous. It shows that the war would be well thought out, with the pros and cons completely analyzed. Something the short sightedness of the administration failed to realize. If something needs to be changed you change it, but at least you have a laid out plan given to the Iraqis, which experts say would help our image with the Iraqis.

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The Iraqi's aren't likely to elect any real extremists. Even the shi'ites hold views of keeping religion and government separate. That includes the prominent Ayatollah in Iraq.

Another link: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2005/51600.htm
Officially the Iraqi government recognizes the freedom of religion. However, it also proclaims Islam to be the official religion of the country and mandates that Islam be considered as a source of legislation. Sounds like a mixing of religion and government to me. Sounds religiously extreme to me.
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Including the Iraq Iran war, Saddam killed millions.

That's like saying....including the War on terrorism Bush has killed 2,000+ Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqi's. Deaths in war are not the same as execution.

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Like setting the date for their elections and doing everything in our power to make sure they go well. Like setting the date when we would turn over official control of the country to their interim government, that we actually did ahead of schedule to prevent any planned attacks on that date? Stuff like that you mean?


No not stuff like that. I'm talking about dates on the military presence of Americans in Iraq. All the other stuff is just fluff to the Iraqi's. Iraqis still see Americans as having a huge influence over their lives and government. As long as we keep a high level of troops in Iraq with no dates, they will continue to mistrust us.

Jun 15 2006 04:24am

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Because the Republicans are more level headed than the loony left. Love him or hate him, you've got to admit that there is a whole lot of vitriol directed towards Bush by some people.


true.
true.
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Jun 15 2006 04:22am

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Let me clarify some of my statements that have had some 'michael moore' like commentary added to them =).
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Tax revenues have increased due to the tax cuts

By returning the taxes to their levels in the clinton years we would make between 500 and 800 billion dollars(varying estimates by both democrats and republicans). I guarantee the increase in tax revenue from tax cuts is not nearly as much as the revenue from a tax increase. And the tax rates during clinton's years did not destroy the economy, in fact it was quite prosperous. 9/11 is what really brought the economy down.


You realize that you have just said that if we remove the tax cuts now that we will make even more money than they have generated. The tax cuts are what have brought those increased revenues, you take them away and the revenue increase goes away. Ever hear of the Laffer Curve?

And you do know that we were sliding into a recession in late 2000 early 2001.

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Trillions in debt, but not because of tax cuts. It's because of spending.
The spending part is true, the tax cut part is not. Tax cuts have decreased total revenue while spending is up. Therefore there is a huge deficit.


It is because of spending. Bush has never vetoed a spending bill and has increased spending by some 30% I believe. If you get a $25 a week raise and spend $50 extra a week, you're going to end up with a debt. That's what's going on.

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"When Iraqi's can stand up, we will stand down"

That's not an exit strategy. Unfortunately it's the only possible solution to a war like this. My point in saying we don't have an exit startegy was not that I believed there was a better way to pull out, but that I believed not having an exit plan was a reason not to have gone to war in the first place. The Bush administration expected Iraqis to welcome us with open arms, which even bush's father said would not happen. However, I am in agreement, now that we are in this thing we cannot back out.


The exit strategy is victory. The idea that we need an exit strategy before hand is about as ridiculous as expecting a battle plan to run the entire course of the war without any alterations or completely new tactics. What if we had an exit strategy that in 3 years we'd leave the country? What do you think would happen with that plan? Care to show me the exit strategy of any other war America has been in?

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Other points to mention:
I agree wholeheartedly when you say Iran will not only attack Israel but others as well. I think you misunderstood my statement, I was being sarcastic...I was implying that Iran as a democracy was still dangerous.


Iran is not a democracy. If it had free and democratic elections as well as a free press you might be surprised by the changes that could occur there.

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As far as I can tell, the US has never gone to war with another democracy

There haven't been any major muslim democracies yet. I guarantee that when Iraqi's elect extremist muslims to the government as Iran recently has, they will clash with the christian extremists in our governnment. There will be conflict.


The Iraqi's aren't likely to elect any real extremists. Even the shi'ites hold views of keeping religion and government separate. That includes the prominent Ayatollah in Iraq.

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As for Saddam, he did not kill millions though he did kill hundreds of thousands. This was over a 24 year period however. Per day our actions have led to the deaths of twice as many Iraqis per day than the actions of Saddam. Obviously, the Americans do not ruthlessly attack people in Iraq, but we have opened the country up to increased terrorism and now more people are dying.


Including the Iraq Iran war, Saddam killed millions.

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I do agree that leaving now is not possible and would lead to chaos. However, Iraqi's continue to join the terrorists because of a lack of trust with us. Setting dates for certain things and adhering to them may help our relations with the Iraqi people.


Like setting the date for their elections and doing everything in our power to make sure they go well. Like setting the date when we would turn over official control of the country to their interim government, that we actually did ahead of schedule to prevent any planned attacks on that date? Stuff like that you mean?
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Jun 15 2006 03:56am

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The first amendment is actually pretty solid. The case you list there is akin to shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.


actually the two accused were distributing antiwar panflets during world war 1. so i figured that it was a pretty good example. not to mention both of the red scares(but maybe that's going a bit). i just think that the 1st ammendment is a little shaky when "free speech zones" are being set up whenever the president is in town. true these are mostly to prevent any sort of assasination attempt but that begs the question of why didn't clinton need these? answer. because he was mostly well thought of by a majority of the american public. today, the same can't exactly be said about ol dubya and the iraq war today.


Because the Republicans are more level headed than the loony left. Love him or hate him, you've got to admit that there is a whole lot of vitriol directed towards Bush by some people.
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Jun 14 2006 10:32pm

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The first amendment is actually pretty solid. The case you list there is akin to shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.


actually the two accused were distributing antiwar panflets during world war 1. so i figured that it was a pretty good example. not to mention both of the red scares(but maybe that's going a bit). i just think that the 1st ammendment is a little shaky when "free speech zones" are being set up whenever the president is in town. true these are mostly to prevent any sort of assasination attempt but that begs the question of why didn't clinton need these? answer. because he was mostly well thought of by a majority of the american public. today, the same can't exactly be said about ol dubya and the iraq war today.
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This comment was edited by skankerkid on Jun 14 2006 10:34pm.

Jun 14 2006 09:14pm

{JF}Jesse
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Let me clarify some of my statements that have had some 'michael moore' like commentary added to them =).
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Tax revenues have increased due to the tax cuts

By returning the taxes to their levels in the clinton years we would make between 500 and 800 billion dollars(varying estimates by both democrats and republicans). I guarantee the increase in tax revenue from tax cuts is not nearly as much as the revenue from a tax increase. And the tax rates during clinton's years did not destroy the economy, in fact it was quite prosperous. 9/11 is what really brought the economy down.
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Trillions in debt, but not because of tax cuts. It's because of spending.
The spending part is true, the tax cut part is not. Tax cuts have decreased total revenue while spending is up. Therefore there is a huge deficit.
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"When Iraqi's can stand up, we will stand down"

That's not an exit strategy. Unfortunately it's the only possible solution to a war like this. My point in saying we don't have an exit startegy was not that I believed there was a better way to pull out, but that I believed not having an exit plan was a reason not to have gone to war in the first place. The Bush administration expected Iraqis to welcome us with open arms, which even bush's father said would not happen. However, I am in agreement, now that we are in this thing we cannot back out.

As for your comments on alternative energy sources:

Nuclear power is not truly "pollution free". Nuclear waste is as much a danger as anything else. With what little nuclear power we already are using we are running out of good places to put the residue. Hence the Yucca Mountain problem. That is the best place they can think to put it and it is likely that the radio-active material will leak into the water supply and cotaminate the whole area. And we will run out or at least seriously deplete the oil supply. It is a limited supply and the demand will remain high as long as Americans continue to refuse to change over to other sources. However, this shale oil idea you wrote about is interesting. I've never heard of it before, if you could post a good link I would like to read about it.

Other points to mention:
I agree wholeheartedly when you say Iran will not only attack Israel but others as well. I think you misunderstood my statement, I was being sarcastic...I was implying that Iran as a democracy was still dangerous.

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As far as I can tell, the US has never gone to war with another democracy

There haven't been any major muslim democracies yet. I guarantee that when Iraqi's elect extremist muslims to the government as Iran recently has, they will clash with the christian extremists in our governnment. There will be conflict.

As for Saddam, he did not kill millions though he did kill hundreds of thousands. This was over a 24 year period however. Per day our actions have led to the deaths of twice as many Iraqis per day than the actions of Saddam. Obviously, the Americans do not ruthlessly attack people in Iraq, but we have opened the country up to increased terrorism and now more people are dying.

Last point:
I do agree that leaving now is not possible and would lead to chaos. However, Iraqi's continue to join the terrorists because of a lack of trust with us. Setting dates for certain things and adhering to them may help our relations with the Iraqi people.

Jun 14 2006 08:22am

Buzz
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 Buzz

The first amendment is actually pretty solid. The case you list there is akin to shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

I would say that Damon has a pretty good case. Would you be embarrassed if several million people you make a statement that was made to look like you were saying something you didn't agree with? In a world of frivolous lawsuits, this one actually has sense behind it.

And the only ones calling Iraq the new Vietnam are those desperately hoping that it will be.
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Jun 14 2006 06:39am

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Damon, 33, claims that Moore never asked for his consent to use a clip from an interview Damon did with NBC's "Nightly News."


that will most likley be the kill shot for moore. but as for Quote:
loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation
, that's a different story. the thing is that you have the burden of proving it. it is quite difficult to show or establish one's "reputation" in an authoritative group. it requires an exhorbident amount of proven impartial testimonials and accounts. personally,(and this is just my opinion) with iraq being today's vietnam, we have to be careful of what and how we say what is our minds. the 1st ammendment isn't at all solid. Schenck v. United States showed us that. we just have to figure out what the hell we're going to do.

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Jun 14 2006 05:02am

Buzz
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The national debt we've accumulated from the war and the horrible idea of tax cuts for the rich, especially during a war, has made us weaker than ever.


Tax revenues have increased due to the tax cuts. There is issue with the fact that congress has agreed on continuing the cuts that have more benefit to the rich already, and still pussy-footing around with the breaks that benefit the middle class but hopefully that will get changed.

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American dollars are worth less, we are trillions of dollars in debt,


The dollar has recently made gain against the Euro again, but it was weakening before Bush took office too. Trillions in debt, but not because of tax cuts. Its because of spending. Bush has never vetoed a single spending bill and that's a major gripe among conservatives. Basically they're spending money like democrats and that's not a good thing.

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we have no true exit plan at the moment for Iraq. Iraq was all about oil in my opinion


Oh you want an exit strategy? Like Clinton had in Bosnia right? "Home by Christmas" I believe it was. Good thing he didn't specify a year. "When the Iraqi's can stand up, we will stand down." There's the exit strategy and its probably the best one you can get. And just because its your opinion doesn't mean its true.

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If we had spent all those hundreds of billions of dollars that we spent on the war on say.....improving and creating alternative sources of energy, we could have a major upper hand in the economy when the oil runs out in anywhere from 20-50 years(there are varying estimates).


I thought you were complaining about our spending that money on the war. Now you're saying you just want it spent differently. And we do have viable energy alternatives. One of them is nuclear power. Guess which groups are going heavily against a power source that has next to no pollution? Even then we won't lose dependence on oil though. Guess what plastic is made out of? Its also not likely we'll run out of oil. As its price goes up demand for it will drop. And if it continues to go up, utilizing oil from shale could become a profitable venture. Guess which countries have more oil, than any middle eastern cointries when you include shale oil?

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I also don't buy this "we're safer with democracies in the middle east than with tyrants" stuff.


Couldn't hurt to try though could it?

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Look at Iran....it's got elected officials and all and they have only threatened that if the western world interferes with THEM developing WMDs that they will destroy Israel.


Elections do not mean democracy. Cuba and Iraq under saddam both had elections. In Iran the mullahs get to decide who is on the ballots, and in the last election a lot of the popular "moderates" were forbidden from running. By international law, Iran is not allowed to develop nuclear weapons. And that is their goal. And if you think that their word is good on only attacking Israel if we try to stop them then I would refer you to research Neville Chamberlain.

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Just because they are a democracy does not make them our friends or make them safer.


Have any historical examples to show this as the case? As far as I can tell, the US has never gone to war with another democracy.

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Saddam may have been a monster, but his violence is nothing compared to the results of our actions. Now I don't blame the United States directly for these deaths seeing as it is the terrorists that do most of the killing. However, through our actions we have erased the order of the country established by Saddam and we opened it up to a huge increase in terrorism, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Iraqis.


Saddam killed millions of his own people, along with using chemical weapons on them. He and the cronies at the UN used the oil for food program to line their pockets while even more suffered. But we're worse. Sure thing. And order through tyranny is a lie and no way to live free. As for opening it up to terrorism, you're right. The administration dropped the ball big time in not planning for that and everyone is suffering for their hamfisted approach on dealing with Iraq post-invasion.

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We've only made an unstable situation worse


And I hope you realize that leaving now or setting a specific date for when we will leave will only exponentially increase that. Leave now and I think you can imagine the chaos that will result. Set a specific date and those that want a return to tyranny only need to bide their time and gather their resources and wait for the day with a big red X on the calendar.
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Jun 13 2006 11:45pm

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Interesting view, very interesting...
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Jun 13 2006 07:31pm

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Before you all read this I want to make sure you know I have the upmost respect for your opinions. I don't think that people realize the magnitude of Bush's mistake. The national debt we've accumulated from the war and the horrible idea of tax cuts for the rich, especially during a war, has made us weaker than ever. American dollars are worth less, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and we have no true exit plan at the moment for Iraq. Iraq was all about oil in my opinion, its a major basis of our economy and bush has proven he has a knack for limited sight. If we had spent all those hundreds of billions of dollars that we spent on the war on say.....improving and creating alternative sources of energy, we could have a major upper hand in the economy when the oil runs out in anywhere from 20-50 years(there are varying estimates). I also don't buy this "we're safer with democracies in the middle east than with tyrants" stuff. Look at Iran....it's got elected officials and all and they have only threatened that if the western world interferes with THEM developing WMDs that they will destroy Israel. Just because they are a democracy does not make them our friends or make them safer. Saddam may have been a monster, but his violence is nothing compared to the results of our actions. Now I don't blame the United States directly for these deaths seeing as it is the terrorists that do most of the killing. However, through our actions we have erased the order of the country established by Saddam and we opened it up to a huge increase in terrorism, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Iraqis. We've only made an unstable situation worse.

This comment was edited by {JF}Jesse on Jun 13 2006 07:31pm.

Jun 12 2006 08:12pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

You're right we did have other reasons for invading Iraq along with the freeing of the people(Operation Iraqi Freedom.) The fact that he violated the ceasefire agreement is one. Whether you want to believe he had wmd or not is something different, but even the reports that say he didn't admit that he had every intention, and was prepared to immediately restart production and development as soon as the world turned their backs to him. He also supported terrorists as well: Paying $20,000 to the families of suicide bombers in israel, and if you ask a clinton appointed judge in new york he owes the families of 9/11 victims money for his part in that.

There are other reasons as well, and other factors also, but the thing that we have learned is that the US isn't allowed to just sit back and worry about its own interests and say to hell with the rest of the world. We're still worried about our own interests but we just see that helping to stabilize other countries and giving them freedom is in our best interest as well as theirs.
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Jun 12 2006 03:40pm

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Actually, think of it this way ...

Remember the oil-crisis in 1973 (Europe had one, I'm willing to bet America had one too). I'm not old enough to remember it, but we learned all about it in our Economics Class. The results were terrible and the governments started taking on huge debts, most of which has not been payed off to this day.
Imagine that the middle-east would one day decide (yet again) to close the tap on oil. We would get no oil, the prices in these parts would sky-rocket, meaning that we have less money, so we pay less taxes. Paying less taxes means that the government gets less cash. The enterprises would have to pay big time to get their hands on some oil and continue with their production, which no doubt would make sure some go bankrupt before long. It's the government's job then to give money to the enterprises so they don't go bankrupt (to put it simple)
So, not only do the governments have less cash, they also have to spend more.

Now imagine if we actually have allies in the Middle-East (such as the new Iraq) that would prevent such a thing from happening. It's a win-win situation for the future.

That could have been George Bush's plan, I think. Having allies in the Middle-East is good for everyone.
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Jun 12 2006 01:51am

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Okay I'll take your word on that, but I'm pretty sure there would be other factors to determine that than looking solely at gas prices. I know jack all about economics and anything remotely related so anybody feel like shedding some light?

EDIT: If I didn't make clear my scepticism before then I'll do so now - I find it hard to believe that Bush would invade Iraq simply to 'save the Iraqi people' without expect to gain something in return, namely - oil (and who knows what else). America's track record is proof enough, at least to me, that their motives in invading Iraq lay in the developments of their own interests as opposed to the concern they held for the Iraqi people. They would not do so unless they stood to gain considerably.

Bush also invaded under a veil of concern for the world's interests by claiming that Saddam was developing/planning to utilise the so-called 'weapons of mass destruction.' I understand that some weapons or traces of chemical agents etc have been found but these, as far as I have heard, are nothing you would invade a country over and are most certainly not of the magnitude Bush had claimed. As such I continue to use the word 'veil' to describe the weapons of mass destruction argument as a motive to invade Iraq.

I also read Javaguy's post about the cost of invading being greater than to simply buy oil from Iraq, but with the points I've just mentioned above (only the first two that popped into my head, mind)... I'm not quite satisfied. I need a little more convincing.
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This comment was edited by xAnAtOs on Jun 12 2006 12:42pm.

Jun 11 2006 04:22pm

Buzz
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Javaguy says:
Have we stolen their oil? No.



Just out of curiosity... how the hell could you possibly know that for a fact?


Definitely isn't showing up in our gas prices.
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Jun 11 2006 11:30am

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Javaguy says:
Have we stolen their oil? No.



Just out of curiosity... how the hell could you possibly know that for a fact?

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Jun 11 2006 12:31am

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What ever you said about Iraq, UN and USA...USA did wrong in that allready they attacked to IRAQ and WAR is always wrong in our tiny planet...also killing people and such but heck, This thing would have taken care of nice way but Bush and Goverment of USA did what they want...
It is destiny to have to choose a lesser of two evils. That what the US has done. While all we see now is Iraq in shambles we shouldn't forget about what it was 15 years ago. Tyranny is unacceptable on our tiny little planet.

There isn't enough room on this earth for tyranny and republic based democracy, lol, they will always but heads.

Democracys hinge on trade. We want to trade with Iraq. Yes we want their oil. Is it wrong to remove a dictator that kills his own people so that we can open trade to the region and our citizens will be safe to do business there.

No it isn't.


Yes it is and our mission isn't to choose lesser of two evils...We need to take care of them way like earth will live long and happy...and if people thinking just their own contries and theirselves, We have nothing left...just bunch of idiots who trying to stay on first place...

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Jun 11 2006 12:15am

Maher
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 Maher

oh so you guys truly assume that you arguing with facts...Ok so this world is truly better place and where are you from??? Hmm guess naw I don't want...
I am from Finland btw...:cool:

Buzz You aren't tyrant stop that and EVF sstop saying Buzz is tyrant...We are all just great guys and I am the only noob so beat me....beat me...

JavaGuy is just JavaGuy:D who kissing something:D
What I don't know..

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What we have here is a hard-core conspiracy theorist.


But I would have impressed very much if this statement have had for me:cool:
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Jun 11 2006 12:03am

Buzz
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I've figured that javaguy. Plenty of those out there. He'd love those movies that "prove" the wtc was rigged to blow and flight 93 actually crashed in ohio.

But you know "this is my site" and I'm the big bad tyrant here always telling people to shut up or I'll ban them in every thread I post. I do it all the time, reminding them that I'm an admin. I bully people away with my opinions and if they don't agree with me they're gone.
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Jun 10 2006 11:56pm

El Vee For
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What ever you said about Iraq, UN and USA...USA did wrong in that allready they attacked to IRAQ and WAR is always wrong in our tiny planet...also killing people and such but heck, This thing would have taken care of nice way but Bush and Goverment of USA did what they want...
It is destiny to have to choose a lesser of two evils. That what the US has done. While all we see now is Iraq in shambles we shouldn't forget about what it was 15 years ago. Tyranny is unacceptable on our tiny little planet.

There isn't enough room on this earth for tyranny and republic based democracy, lol, they will always but heads.

Democracys hinge on trade. We want to trade with Iraq. Yes we want their oil. Is it wrong to remove a dictator that kills his own people so that we can open trade to the region and our citizens will be safe to do business there.

No it isn't.
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Jun 10 2006 11:45pm

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What we have here is a hard-core conspiracy theorist. Buzz I think you're wasting your time trying to discuss facts with such a person.


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Jun 10 2006 11:38pm

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 Maher

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Last resolution against Iraq was that Saddam must comply or there would be consequences against him. That was the last of something like 17 resolutions against him since the ceasefire agreement, which he repeatedly violated. We went to the UN first and asked them to agree to actually follow through with what they said would happen. They didn't we did.

Saddam received brief CIA training. He was involved in a coup that failed and he wound up in prison. Eventually the government did change there and he got into power, all while the US still had no diplomatic relations with Iraq. When Saddam truly became the leader of Iraq in 1979 we still had no relations with them. And didn't until around 1984.

As for anything else you might have to say:

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Is Osama still for service of USA and CIA so they can frighten people with threat of terrorism...


Something such as that removes you so far from reality, that if the idea of a multiverse were to be true you wouldn't even be within any of them.


That won't remove me from anything because I looking for truth, I haven't found it, I don't say that I am right but at least I have been and still discovering...I don't build my arguments for assumptions, I building them for what I have read from books and news papers also from internet heh and conclusions of my own but no, I don't never say I am right...

What ever you said about Iraq, UN and USA...USA did wrong in that allready they attacked to IRAQ and WAR is always wrong in our tiny planet...also killing people and such but heck, This thing would have taken care of nice way but Bush and Goverment of USA did what they want...
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