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Buzz - Student 
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Last resolution against Iraq was that Saddam must comply or there would be consequences against him. That was the last of something like 17 resolutions against him since the ceasefire agreement, which he repeatedly violated. We went to the UN first and asked them to agree to actually follow through with what they said would happen. They didn't we did. Saddam received brief CIA training. He was involved in a coup that failed and he wound up in prison. Eventually the government did change there and he got into power, all while the US still had no diplomatic relations with Iraq. When Saddam truly became the leader of Iraq in 1979 we still had no relations with them. And didn't until around 1984. As for anything else you might have to say: Quote: Is Osama still for service of USA and CIA so they can frighten people with threat of terrorism... Something such as that removes you so far from reality, that if the idea of a multiverse were to be true you wouldn't even be within any of them. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: For me, I really don't like from Bush, It was too obvious when U.S.A attacked to Iraq, The Main Goal was Oil and not the mass-destruction-weapon(hmm right spelled). It was good when Sadam went down but still in my perspective, Sadam was highly trained by CIA as well as Osama was too... How much training did saddam receive? Was it a lot? could have fooled me since him and the 5 others who attempted to over throw the iraqi government failed. And oil... its always about oil. You can say the US did it for oil, but that's also the reason France, Russia, Germany, and China did what they did too. Oil is the only reason any government cares at all about the hell hole that is the Middle East. The Mid East without oil is worse than Africa. Eh take it easy Buzz...I just saying there is too many uncleared points...and they said they will go for mass-destruction-weapon and they attacked without the United Nation's permission to Iraq, many countries respect the United Nations but USA's goverment didn't and It was Bush who gave those orders... But still there is so many unexplained things... Hmm and I dare to throw out argument that Sadam was trained by CIA, actually He was trained for Iraq and keeping USA's Oil taps on from Iraq to USA, but one day when Dog ripped him leash out..b00m War of the Persia was borned... But still there is so many unexplained things... Need to read history more because it is interest ,made by USA's history professors and state science professors...Own People of USA.. Which says Saddam and Osama were trained by CIA and what I meaning unexplained things Is Osama still for service of USA and CIA so they can frighten people with threat of terrorism... You know money and greed of people, It is blinding, make people fight from money, killing each other.. I hate human nature allready and that because people don't understand they need to pull together and forget money for all good and start thinking how we will survive together... and heck I don't care if Middle East have oil or Africa is as bad...I care about people of those lands and how to help them...Damned to Bush will be and all what he represent, Wars, Oils, Ruins of the World... That so I like these kind of communities like JA.net we living in peace, making friends, get to know people...This is like ghetto of Serenity.... but I don't say It isn't good for little arguing..  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Jun 10 2006 10:52pm. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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ok, you were talking to all, not just me my apologies, sincerely my experience has often caused assumptions, as it will do, hence forth I will consider your comments as you direct. peace Lv _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: El Vee For said: This angered me just a little bit when I read it. Hardwired is on Buzz's side always will be. I begged Buzz to take this elsewhere, again and again but he kept it going with rebuttal after rebuttal didn't he. Then Buzz it thoroughly condescending to me. Acting like my father deciding what is and isn't good for me. Protecting me. I protected him, and the precious freedom he covets, when he was still learning to tie his shoes!! You too most likely, depending on your country of origin and your age. Sweden, nice place my Dads side of family immigrated from there, beautiful place with a much better political ideal than that of the US. Stay there, its a good place to be now that the Soviet Union is no more. So if you don't like the color of my posts maybe you should weigh the content of the posts that came before mine and if you still think that you are doing good work by scolding me mate. Then you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Excuse me? I have never, nor will I ever pick sides in a foreing politics discussion. Myself and Buzz do not share any close connection what-so-ever. I was not refering to you excusivly. But seeing how you thought that speaks volumes to me. Quote: Buzz said: You don't want to see where I talk politics. There's no such thing as civilized discussion on the internet, and its just proven there. What I do here is like using kid-gloves in comparison to what goes on in other places. This statement alone should have easiely been connected to my own suggestion. Bottom line is that I am speaking to everyone that takes part in this discussion, at present time and in the future. Do not put words in my mouth that are not in plain text. I have my own view of US politics, one I will not share here. But rest assured that I favor no one in this discussion. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: This comment was edited by Hardwired on Jun 10 2006 10:36pm. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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It's unfortunate that nobody who follows the U.S.-did-it-for-oil conspiracy theory ever bothers to examine the facts. At the time we invaded, the U.S. was buying about $5 million worth of oil per day, if memory serves. The estimated cost of the war was, at the time, $80 billion (!). So it would have been much cheaper for us to do like the French and give Saddam a free pass, pretend he was complying with the terms of the truce and drop the embargo. Buying oil from Saddam would have been much cheaper than the war, even if the war had been as cheap as it was projected to be. Saddam had been ripping off his people (not to mention murdering them by the thousands) for many years, and the French had lucrative contracts with him, at the expense of the Iraqi people. The French objected to Saddam's removal because they didn't want to lose their blood money. Ironically they called the U.S. invasion motivated by oil. And of course the conspiracy theorists insist that the U.S. invasion was all about going in and stealing the Iraqis' oil--at a price far greater than what buying it from Saddam would have cost--but look at Iraq now. Have we stolen their oil? No. The Iraqi people are profiting from their oil for the first time in many years. To anybody willing to examine the facts, the U.S. clearly acted against its financial interest by deposing Saddam. We could have simply pretended that Saddam wasn't a problem and gone about our business. But we weren't interested only in our wallets. We were interested in what was morally right, in getting a mass-murdering sociopath out of power and removing a threat to his neighbors and to us. Amazingly, I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Give them back their oil and leave Iraq." By "them" I can only assume it meant Saddam and Chirac. It makes me sick to know there are people in this country who would like to see a resumption of the mass murder of Iraqis. (And no, the currently level of violence in Iraq does not compare to the mass murders and torture that took place routinely under Saddam.) Here's the other part I love: Throughout the days leading up to the invasion, the liberal media were incessantly abuzz with talk of how ousting Saddam would bring the price of gasoline way down and how that was the real reason for the war. Bought a gallon of gas recently? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: The entertainment level of this thread just went up 200%. sniff sniff, antagonist lol we are taking this elsewhere, link in my profile. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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The entertainment level of this thread just went up 200%. |
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Buzz - Student 
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And I would like to have a discussion without someone like Michael Moore putting out movies full of lies and deceptions that people eat up as truth. You spend all your time pointing out to people that the things he claims are complete BS and sometime never get into an active discussion. And plenty of people get hurt and left in the dust behind He of Massive Waistline. Lila Lipscomb and Sgt. Damon are 2. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: For me, I really don't like from Bush, It was too obvious when U.S.A attacked to Iraq, The Main Goal was Oil and not the mass-destruction-weapon(hmm right spelled). It was good when Sadam went down but still in my perspective, Sadam was highly trained by CIA as well as Osama was too... How much training did saddam receive? Was it a lot? could have fooled me since him and the 5 others who attempted to over throw the iraqi government failed. And oil... its always about oil. You can say the US did it for oil, but that's also the reason France, Russia, Germany, and China did what they did too. Oil is the only reason any government cares at all about the hell hole that is the Middle East. The Mid East without oil is worse than Africa. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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maybe I slip some from concept of this thread but... For me, I really don't like from Bush, It was too obvious when U.S.A attacked to Iraq, The Main Goal was Oil and not the mass-destruction-weapon(hmm right spelled). It was good when Sadam went down but still in my perspective, Sadam was highly trained by CIA as well as Osama was too...There is too much unexplained things...and about Michael Moore what he doing now...He doing propaganda ofcourse...He is the man who putting people to make little conversation...good example Buzz and El Vee For ..Provoke you know guys Provoke _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Jun 10 2006 07:52pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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All I will say to those last two posters is this: Quote: Not again.......... yeah it sucks, how many times did I ask Buzz to take this somewhere else, including another board?Hate seeing these posts on a decent thread =( Quote: There is a middle ground for a civil discussion. It's a matter of restraint on unneccesary "colorizing" of ones posts. How about we have a go at that? This angered me just a little bit when I read it.- HW Hardwired is on Buzz's side always will be. I begged Buzz to take this elsewhere, again and again but he kept it going with rebuttal after rebuttal didn't he. Then Buzz it thoroughly condescending to me. Acting like my father deciding what is and isn't good for me. Protecting me. I protected him, and the precious freedom he covets, when he was still learning to tie his shoes!! You too most likely, depending on your country of origin and your age. Sweden, nice place my Dads side of family immigrated from there, beautiful place with a much better political ideal than that of the US. Stay there, its a good place to be now that the Soviet Union is no more. So if you don't like the color of my posts maybe you should weigh the content of the posts that came before mine and if you still think that you are doing good work by scolding me mate. Then you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I came here to have fun, and there are times when verbal sparring with Buzz is fun. Over the last year and half I have been here I have taken tons of verbal abuse from Buzz and if you like I can and will provide you with transcripts of these conversations in PDF format. Where Buzz crosses the line is that this forum isn't about his politics but anytime anyone makes a statement of thier opinions about government he is all over it. Like white on rice. (there is a pun in ther for you politically minded folks  Thats wrong, so he and I have somewhere else to have these conversations and you all can get back to the business of what this site is for, playing games. Buzzion and I will carry on elsewhere, thank you very much for support and understanding of why this had to be this way but you can be sure that my political commentary here is over because I have somewhere else to vent it. Will Buzz do the same? Snowballs chance in hell that we are done reading about Jason's politics on these boards. Yet I am the bad guy. Say goodnight to the bad guy. peace Lv _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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Not again.......... Hate seeing these posts on a decent thread =( _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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Hardwired - Retired 
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There is a middle ground for a civil discussion. It's a matter of restraint on unneccesary "colorizing" of ones posts. How about we have a go at that? - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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El Vee For - Student
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I am a grown man, more so than you. You go ahead and let me decide what I can handle big boy. lol _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Buzz - Student
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Definition 3c That's what Gore had. No spin just fact. But he didn't get the plurality of votes in the right states to win. I remember a report from nbc nightly news that came out the spring after the election that dealt with the florida recount. The reran the ballots in multiple recount methods. Bush won in every possible type of recount, except one. That one was the recount type Al Gore did not want them to run. You don't want to see where I talk politics. There's no such thing as civilized discussion on the internet, and its just proven there. What I do here is like using kid-gloves in comparison to what goes on in other places. You might enjoy dailykos though, or the democratic underground, they're your kind of people, or at least would agree with you on issues. Not too keen on dissenting opinions there, they tend to ban and delete those who disagree and question their "truth" Some people who have gone there have received threats of being reported to their employers in an effort to get them fired. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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You are king of the rebuttal that is for certain. if you want mine put your conservative statements in an applicable thread you could even shoot me a link to the forums where you talk politics people that hang at a gaming site, especially an internationally populated one such as this, don't care about either of our politics, do they? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Buzz - Student
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my definition says greater than half of the total. That means more than 50%. And we're not a democracy. You could call us a democratic republic but even that's not fully accurate. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Buzz - Student
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no that's truth, not spin. Gore received about 48.5% of the popular vote, Bush 47.5%. There is no spin to that. Spin is when there is a vote to increase funding for some project. The dems want to increase it 15%, the republicans only 5%. The media then reports that republicans want to cut funding by 10% for the project. That's spinning. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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And that is how spin works, you know I am talking about the Popular, the only vote that matters, in a democracy. EDIT You say over 50% but your definition does not specify that it must be a percentage. Majority is majority. Like I said, believe what you want, I am sure its blissful. I don't have anything else to add thats on topic here but if you really want to continue this all to familiar rhetoric create or bump a thread about this and I might stop by. For some reason I just can't resist arguing with you kiddo. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jun 10 2006 01:19am. |
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Buzz - Student
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If you're talking electoral votes then yes, that's a majority. If you want to talk popular vote, then there was no majority since no candidate received >50% of the vote. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: okay, I am assuming you are being affirmative and sarcastic. This would be the same majority as the vote in 2000. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Buzz - Student
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Definition 3a _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Damon has stated in a televised interview that if he wins the majority of the money he wins will go to funds for the families and children of soldiers injured or killed in the war. A worthy cause, define majority? I hope he wins every dime whether he gives it to charity or not. His intent should have been relayed by the producers. Not the other way around. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Buzz - Student
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Which is why I did not go on about that point. I've seen enough words from the loony left to be disgusted by that. Consider this though, Moore has clearly twisted this soldiers words around. Yet you still want to say that the rest of his movie is truthful? Look up the Pantagraph. Read the links I posted. Don't drink his kool-aid just because you don't like the president. You want to criticize bush that's fine and dandy I'll even show you stuff that you can actually criticize him with. Its just not going to be anything with Michael Moore's name on it. Don't want to debate that's fine, just don't continue being a sheep to the liar from Davison, MI. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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I also wanted to reiterate that my post endorsed the wounded soldiers lawsuit and I wished him victory and every dime he has requested. Since that is what this topic is about, not MM and NOT GW, or me or anybody else. Quote: Before this thread gets firey, and i know it will, let's just remember that others may not share your opinion... live with it. The force is strong with this one, see the future he can. Yes, he is strong! (This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just aimed at anyone who plans on having a strop!  ) This is his domain, I am done with all that. Used to be I enjoyed the debate, not any more. Good call. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jun 09 2006 08:41pm. |
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