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Jun 19 2006 08:06pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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Bail Hope of Belouve
So, North-Korea has a missle lined up for fire ...
The US threatens that North-Korea should remove it, or action will be taken, while North-Korea replies that it has a right for a missile with which to defend themselves against America.

Cold war? Cubacrisis? Anyone?
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Jul 07 2006 09:17pm

Eica
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 Eica

Is it still called North Korea? I thought it was something like Democratic Republic of Korea now...
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Jul 07 2006 07:07pm

Raziel Anjelis
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Ronery......haha. Great :D
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Jul 07 2006 05:25pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

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Unless America makes a way to defend against nukes, fighting North Korea directly is suicide.The results would end up with America as one big mushroom cloud and North Korea the same.

Chances are though, even as think as the North Korea leader is, even they wouldn't pick a fight with the top military country.


Yeah no sorry. NK was aiming at Hawaii, and their missiles failed within 40 seconds. America would not be harmed by anything North Korea could throw at us. We also did activate our missile defense system and it would be interesting to see how that works in a real situation, not that I actually want that to occur.

Which means North Korea would be te nuclear wasteland, we wouldn't. And the only ones claiming North Korea has a nuclear weapon is the North Koreans. They also have a very large military, and likely are aware that a lot of our military is currently occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ronery Kim might be crazy enough to try something.
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Jul 07 2006 04:57pm

Nuebus
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Unless America makes a way to defend against nukes, fighting North Korea directly is suicide.The results would end up with America as one big mushroom cloud and North Korea the same.

Chances are though, even as think as the North Korea leader is, even they wouldn't pick a fight with the top military country.
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Jul 05 2006 02:13pm

AvaloN
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 AvaloN

I think we can all agree that history has shown us that communism just doesnt work.

Jul 05 2006 11:10am

Buzz
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 Buzz

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I don't like government of North Korea and that how they announce communism as a only way for everything, Together with CCCP and China they have ruined the idea of communism and all that what communism represent


Yeah how dare that the countries that use communism keep demonstrating that it doesn't work and it sucks to live under it.
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Jul 05 2006 10:45am

Maher
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why would you want to talk about this via the internet on a forum full of star wars nerds?


Because we can. Why do people want to discuss soccer with a bunch of star wars nerds? Why do people want to discuss other games with star wars nerds? Movies? Cars? Computers? Do you only discuss things about work when you are on the job? Do you only talk about school work when you are there?

We're hearing people's views, finding out who you agree with or don't agree with. Talking to other people to see how they think. Attempting to gain new information or to allow others to learn what we have learned. In short WE ARE SOCIALIZING. You don't want to socialize on this topic, then don't post here.

Totally agree with Buzz...

North Korea and Missiles...together very scary thing...I don't like government of North Korea and that how they announce communism as a only way for everything, Together with CCCP and China they have ruined the idea of communism and all that what communism represent(as well as Nazis ruined the idea of nationalism)...

But I think somebody need to do something and I prefer YK's diplomat way for this one...

War isn't answer, War should have never been answer and War should never be answer...(uh that sentence:D)
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Jul 05 2006 10:19am

Sared
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 Sared

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One U.S. government official told FOX News that if it were a Taepodong missile, it was "a real big dud."


I giggled like a little girl when I read that.


/me hugs JK13 :cool:
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Jul 05 2006 05:06am

Buzz
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 Buzz

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why would you want to talk about this via the internet on a forum full of star wars nerds?


Because we can. Why do people want to discuss soccer with a bunch of star wars nerds? Why do people want to discuss other games with star wars nerds? Movies? Cars? Computers? Do you only discuss things about work when you are on the job? Do you only talk about school work when you are there?

We're hearing people's views, finding out who you agree with or don't agree with. Talking to other people to see how they think. Attempting to gain new information or to allow others to learn what we have learned. In short WE ARE SOCIALIZING. You don't want to socialize on this topic, then don't post here.
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Jul 05 2006 03:21am

JK13 /// jaws.
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 JK13 /// jaws.

you didnt answer my origonal question.
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Jul 05 2006 02:21am

Buzz
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 Buzz

Behold the might of Communist engineering and military prowess

My favorite part of the story being this:

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The two U.S. officials later told FOX News that the Taepodong-2 was the third rocket to go up. It failed 35 seconds after launch. A Defense Department official said the U.S. took no action because the missiles posed no threat to the United States or its interests.

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Jul 05 2006 02:14am

Raziel Anjelis
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why would you want to talk about this via the internet on a forum full of star wars nerds? It may be an important issue but to be totally honest i personally wouldnt want to even try to discuss this kind of thing on a forum like this... why dont we talk about the JA or JKA or even starwars stuff, the stuff that dosnt matter. Thats what the internet is for! Stuff that dosnt matter!


They call it the General forums for a reason.

There is a Star Wars and Academy discussion link. People here are free to talk about whatever.

You did click the link, which you didn't have to.
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This comment was edited by Raziel Anjelis on Jul 05 2006 02:16am.

Jul 04 2006 08:05am

Sared
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 Sared

Yeah, what Katan said. Noob. :D
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Jul 04 2006 03:37am

Katan
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 Katan

But this is the General forums, for anything!
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Jul 04 2006 01:59am

JK13 /// jaws.
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 JK13 /// jaws.

why would you want to talk about this via the internet on a forum full of star wars nerds? It may be an important issue but to be totally honest i personally wouldnt want to even try to discuss this kind of thing on a forum like this... why dont we talk about the JA or JKA or even starwars stuff, the stuff that dosnt matter. Thats what the internet is for! Stuff that dosnt matter!
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Jul 03 2006 12:37pm

Sared
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 Sared

Bumped because I think this topic could use more discussion.

Anyway, I was talking this over with a friend over dinner last night and we got this great idea going on in our heads.

First of all, China, a "critical ally of North Korea", in one of thier bluntest statements to date, has officially told NK that testing thier arsenal would be 'a bad idea.'

So we figured, just in case China doesn't start tugging on NK's leash enough to get them to stand down, why don't we just turn to Japan and say, "Ya know guys, we think its about time you re-armed." Pull our troops out, and help them re-build thier standing army. I swear, it would make every country within a thousand miles defecate in thier legislature.

edit:// On an unrelated note, the materials used in fueling said missle would undoubtedly corrode and decay the the housing and internals of a Taepodong ICBM in a matter of days. SO, even if this fueling did take more than three or four days to complete (I'm no rocket scientist, ask someone here thats in the military about it), then the rocket, unless emptied of its fuel, (thus an abandoned launch) would be falling apart by now.

If I'm completely wrong on this, please let me know.
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This comment was edited by Sared on Jul 03 2006 01:00pm.

Jun 20 2006 03:38pm

Sared
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HAHA LOOK AT US WE HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS! SUCK ON IT!

From the outside looking in, thats what NK seems to be saying. Seeing as how involved the US got in Afganistan after simply going after Bin Laden, does there lay the possibility that we would get just as involved in NK should a skirmish happen there?

Also, what of South Korea? The DMZ is arguably the most dangerous place on the face of the earth, with enough firepower parked on both sides of the border to easily start WW3. Is NK just itching to egg SK on into something?

edit:// Very good pictures Buzz, I'll be referring that link to quite a few folks.
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This comment was edited by Sared on Jun 20 2006 03:38pm.

Jun 20 2006 09:02am

Esta
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 Esta

BBC report:
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The missile, a Taepodong-2, is believed to have a range of up to 6,000km (3,700 miles).


Yahoo news picture:
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U.S. officials have said the North Korean missle Taepodong 2 has a firing range of 9,300 miles and could reach as far as the U.S. mainland.
>insert picture demonstrating 9,300 mile radius here<


This kinda stood out imo.
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This comment was edited by Esta on Jun 20 2006 09:04am.

Jun 20 2006 02:03am

{JF}Jesse
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I don't think the missiles are being developed for use but more for the purpose of trying to gain some ground militarily with the US. I think most of the world knows that it would be suicide to attack the US but the North Korean government can be crazy sometimes so you never know =).

Jun 20 2006 01:35am

Buzz
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 Buzz

I don't think we need to let North Korea do anything. We'll see how things go.
You might be right on the massive casualties, but only maybe. I think it would depend on 2 things. Involvement of China, and how well we have identified their missile launch sites and air fields, and how quickly we could knock them out.

As for their new missile, the BBC's estimates seem to be on the coservative side.
The AP reports the US believes different. And that puts a danger to more.
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Jun 20 2006 12:54am

Gil-Galad
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 Gil-Galad

The have a missile capable of hitting Alaska, but no further into North America.

Link

Of course if they attack first, all bets are off. If any country is to take military action first, my guess would be Japan from the recent strongly worded press releases. However I think the USA et al will do pretty much anything to avoid this happening. War with north Korea would without doubt be a war with a casualty count higher than any other in the modern era, and quite possibly the majority of these being civilians. My personal opinion is the US, UN will have little choice but to allow North Korea to continue with a nuclear weapons programme. On what terms they will allow it is what could be interesting.

EDIT: some very interesting pictures on that link by Buzz, definitely worth checking out :eek:
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This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jun 20 2006 01:07am.

Jun 20 2006 12:49am

Buzz
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 Buzz

Your theory goes right out the window thought Gil, if NK attacks first. I doubt if they have a missile capable of hitting Hawaii, let alone the continental US. That leaves 2 targets: South Korea and Japan.

For those of you wondering what the glorious civilization of North Korea looks like, Take a gander
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Jun 20 2006 12:27am

Gil-Galad
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Well, the US wont go to war against North Korea. War is not an option at all in this case. 10 million people live in Seoul, in South Korea, and its within bombardment range. North Korea is also well armed and militarily very strong. Economic sanctions are a no-go also as it has pretty much cut itself off anyways, and the only people who would suffer from it are the peasants who are on the verge of a mass starvation crisis as it is.

So this one is for diplomacy to resolve. Its going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Just hope no innocents are harmed before it ends.
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Jun 19 2006 10:20pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

I call it the result of 8 years of Bill Clinton diplomacy.
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Jun 19 2006 10:07pm

Mindrith Pride
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wow.. this is new and disapointing news. im guessingthere is definatly a possiblity for a war :( very pointless. very stupid.
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