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Jun 22 2006 04:40pm

Ian Jandos
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The Emperor was so strong in the dark side that he could conceal his nature to the Jedi?

Count Dooku couldn't feel Obi-Wan's presence when he was eavesdropping on Geonosis. (Ep2)

Anakin & Obi-Wan could sense Count Dooku before rescuing the chancellor. (Ep3)

Vader felt Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star without a visual (Ep4)

Yoda could sense clones approaching him from behind, intent on betraying him on Kashyyk; but the other Jedi couldn't (Ep3)

There are other accounts too, but they don't all seem to corroborate. I suppose it's a continuity thing.

-Ian


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If the Force was real, shouldn't a Jedi be able to instantly detect a character such as Chancellor Palpatine as a Sith?

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Jun 28 2006 12:38am

Rogue
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Another theory for Vader sensing Obi-Wan on the Deathstar is the fact that he has come into contact with very few force sensitives over the years (mara jade, palpatine and maybe a few others). The sudden appearence of another strongly trained in the force would surely have been detected by him....
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Jun 26 2006 11:43pm

Raziel Anjelis
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but if yoda was so experienced in the force why he couldnt sense palpatine being the sith lord?


Because palpatine was trained in actively hiding his presence from the jedi.


Palpatine was a master of deceit and secrecy, after all.
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Jun 26 2006 08:09pm

Ashyr
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then why yoda wasnt trained to actively sense the actively hiding sith? :P
he was ~800 years old anyway.

pointless thoughts :)
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Jun 26 2006 04:41pm

SaZ
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then why yoda wasnt trained to actively sense the actively hiding sith? :P
he was ~800 years old anyway.

pointless thoughts :)
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Jun 26 2006 04:24pm

Buzz
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but if yoda was so experienced in the force why he couldnt sense palpatine being the sith lord?


Because palpatine was trained in actively hiding his presence from the jedi.
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Jun 26 2006 01:02pm

SaZ
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but if yoda was so experienced in the force why he couldnt sense palpatine being the sith lord?
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Jun 26 2006 06:11am

Ashyr
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Yoda could sense clones approaching him from behind, intent on betraying him on Kashyyk; but the other Jedi couldn't (Ep3)

He is a real master, he senced the betrail to other Jedi's, I thing it would give a great disturbance trough the force, So he would probably be on his toes...


Yes. While all the other Jedi were being betrayed, Yoda appeared to be devistated (dropping his cane) by the great tremors in the force created by the tragedy.
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Jun 26 2006 12:42am

Buzz
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The Emperor was strong in the Force and the Sith had come to rely on stealth and secrecy. They used the Force to remain hidden so they would be able to do this very well.

Dooku was busy, and either wasn't aware due to involvement in other things, or was aware but his goal was to cause a war and to stop obi-wan before sounding the alarm would not have fit into the sith plans.

It could be a result of the master apprentice bond on the Death Star, or also that obi-wan was announcing through the force "Here I am come find me." Kind of like sneaking around a warehouse as opposed to banging everything and yelling to get attention.

Yoda was strong in the Force, and could feel the disturbance of all the other jedi being killed, many of them being the masters and his close friends. The other jedi were not expecting treachery, possibly due to the oddity of having thousands of clones being the ones that betray them.

Basically the ability would be just like any other skill of the Force. Luke could lift stones with intense concentration. Yoda could lift objects much longer with less or equal amount of concentration. You must be trained to do it and receptive to it or using the force actively in that aspect. And since Jedi aren't always drawing on the Force constantly it won't be perfect. And it is probably one of those things that work better when their mind is clear, calm, as yoda taught luke to be to know what to do.
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Jun 22 2006 10:59pm

Lord Jaws
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The Emperor was so strong in the dark side that he could conceal his nature to the Jedi?

yes, he clouded even the vision of the Jedi

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Count Dooku couldn't feel Obi-Wan's presence when he was eavesdropping on Geonosis. (Ep2)

He needed to focus and try too rally seperatist, also they where on a planet not yet discovered, and nothing indicated that there was an intruder, he had no special reason to strech his sences...

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Anakin & Obi-Wan could sense Count Dooku before rescuing the chancellor. (Ep3)

They used the force specific at that moment, trying to feel what was coming...

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Vader felt Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star without a visual (Ep4)

Master - Apprentice bond. They grow so tight they can feel eachothers moves coming when fighting together... It would seem logical He would sence his master at close range....

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Yoda could sense clones approaching him from behind, intent on betraying him on Kashyyk; but the other Jedi couldn't (Ep3)

He is a real master, he senced the betrail to other Jedi's, I thing it would give a great disturbance trough the force, So he would probably be on his toes...
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Jun 22 2006 08:34pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

The following are just my views


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The Emperor was so strong in the dark side that he could conceal his nature to the Jedi?

yes, I believe so

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Count Dooku couldn't feel Obi-Wan's presence when he was eavesdropping on Geonosis. (Ep2)

Because Dooku was busy with something else. Had his mind been on the Force, he would have detected another lifeform in that room.

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Anakin & Obi-Wan could sense Count Dooku before rescuing the chancellor. (Ep3)

They were probably mindful of his possible presence and thus searched for him through the Force, just in case.

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Vader felt Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star without a visual (Ep4)

no explanation.

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Yoda could sense clones approaching him from behind, intent on betraying him on Kashyyk; but the other Jedi couldn't (Ep3)

Didn't Yoda have his eyes closed before getting attacked? He was sensing the disturbances throughout the Force because all those Jedi were being murdered. He probably was very attentive after that
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This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jun 22 2006 08:35pm.

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