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O'Liin Onasi - Student  |
You know, I've had my experiance here. I have had my fun. Lots of memories. I've learned alot here, and made alot of friends. BUT, there was a day when this place started going to the birds. The Academy has become contrary to it's original ideals. When you have people who are so old, and no one new coming around. The old one's just become...well... Rediculous.to all you oldbies. You have unknowingly made this place, worthless. I don't speak out of anger. I speak out of sadness. I have no hand in the downfall, but even I fell ashamed. So you should too. There are people here who have recently been banned. This person was my master. I am loyal to him, and I'll follow him. So you banned him, now ban me. That's my humble request. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. This post was edited by O'Liin Onasi on Oct 10 2006 07:42am. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: Because people love drama. Damn straight we love drama! I'm actually still waiting for that moment where someone will hold a tirade against the entire Academy and insult DJ's mom. And then everyone'll go "Ooooh SNAP!" and hell breaks loose. Something about the Internet that turns every situation into a Shakespeare tragedy.  |
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Mune - Student 
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Quote: why is this being discussed in this thread anyway? Because people love drama. _______________ Captain Barkeep. |
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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Will you let the argument die already. Dj posted the end to it and that should be that, I liked tido despite popular belief, but as being someone who was banned before (Angel D'Kana [GASP]), I know the JAC always have their reason. Unlike my banning or many other bannings, the JAC have let us keep this thread open so they can shed light on the situation. This is a first and we are spitting in their face by flamming them and the JAK. We dont have access to their private section, we dont have knowledge of PRIVATE chats between tido and the JAC that may have occurred. Flamming either side in this is futile. Please just accept DJ's comment (I'm not saying agree or disagree just accept and acknowledge his reasons) and let this thread die already. It serves no more purpose, since DJ posted his comment, than to suck up to the JAK by reaffirming their already exhausted points, or the contradiction: flamming them for your beliefs based upon incomplete knowledge. Never assume you know the full story, when you assume you make an ass of u and me _______________ 
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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I'm not going to take any sides, not knowing enough about exactly what is going on, but here is a point: Proposition: Many of Virtue's padawans make JAK+. Explanations: #1 'nepotism' of some sort #2 Virtue trains his padawans to become 'JAK+' material #3 Virtue selects padawans capable of making JAK+ #4 coincidence You may want to look at the above, and other possible reasons before spewing whatever comes to mind first. Top tip! Thinking an argument through first can often make it more covincing... NB. Tido is still a sexy mofo and I'll happily give him my mankids. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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xAnAtOs - Student |
ahh haven't seen this in a while... It's good to be home. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: I hope you all are laughing cause these posts are hilarious.... Jaiko you forgot one fatal piece of the puzzle though. Every weakness Tido found he reported to DJ. You could have kept his student status, that thing has access to nothing. I wasnt intending to get involved in this, but here is a point i dissagree with here, if the above part is true, then may i say JAC screwed up. ((among other things which i wont bring up.) So im curious, unless im misunderstanding, yo uremoved him for security reasons ((Jaiko's post i think)) Why not simply remove his site rights? or put him to student status, or other. Well I believe, this kind of statement like "if they ever do anything to me, i'm going to take them down with me" is the issue what you can't simply take with casually. I believe that Tido was good guy, I only met him twice but still He was most helpful person what I ever know. I believe that It has been hard decission to ban Tido. This wasn't just delightful progress, where the council of JA have been just drinking coffee or maybe tea or maybe lemonade and just decided "Let's ban Tido" Council of JA have considered this subject well...At least they have my all trust in any case what pursuing continuity of JA community, ofcourse I can be critical but in this case, this is clear for me. Unbelieveable is when I seeing this kind of statements Quote: Agree. Take that Cap'n Stabbin! Quote: Sete, please refrain from speaking, virtue can speak for you, face it, if u wanna be JAK+ be virtues pad, hell get u in, look at dash/virtue i mean they got in.... no need for recos. Quote: Shut the hell up Sete... You were my master once, and you could teach a rug to lie. You come here and try to act as if your an adult. Fact is none of us are adults. I'm twenty for goodness sakes and I act like it. still a bit childish, but a bit serious. Act Your Age. Yep the true old bies of JA. I don't say this because I am angry but because I am sad. Yeh I know there is wise sentence like " Idiots pull you to their level and then they will beat you up with their experience", now I don't care about it because I am earning it all the way. Sete has given to everybody a lot, in any case, He has given more than you, both, Deqlyn and O'liin. Dash is samething Dash and Sete, I am owning them so much in JA, I could ban myself in JA and I will defend them with all costs in JA community...That's why I landing down to your level, Deqlyn and O'liin. Regardless of age or who you are, I hate that how ungrateful people can be sometimes, they won't show any kind of respect for what somebodies have allready done? Shame and the shame are the most finest thing in the world. I won't touch to this thread anymore Take Care  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: seriously, the general forums are a bad place to be discussing sensitive issues about which few people know the whole story of. Unlike previous bannings of high profile members I'd like to talk as much as I can about it, so I'm perfectly fine with the questions raised in this thread. Though I think the sniping aback and forth about Virtue's padawans is a little ridiculous. Quote: Every weakness Tido found he reported to DJ. You could have kept his student status, that thing has access to nothing. As I recall Tido brought one security related site bug to my attention. I fixed that one. The site was written back when I was still learning PHP, and I'm sure there are quite a few other security issues with the site. Tido had a system user account and full access to all of the JA's site code. I didn't think about closing his account until after I heard he planned on exploiting the JA's site. At that point you need to assume the worst, and as a responsible system administrator I have to keep things and people like that as far away from the server as possible. Remember he once had priveledged access to our stuff before as an IRC bot admin and he used that to log into other people's accounts on the site. I should have banned him after that, but I'm the "nice guy JAC" and gave him his second change. He squandered that too, so out he goes. I'm sorry you think he's the coolest guy ever. No more drama about it now.  This is a tired argument. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Meh no point arguing over it now, its past, whether they were right or wrong to do it, its done and it aint changing. But heres something I think most of us can agree on: Tido > everyone in this thread. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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hrm i was gonna try to type something funny but most of yall are prolly too dry to get my humor anyway. seriously, the general forums are a bad place to be discussing sensitive issues about which few people know the whole story of. what can only result from this is just flaming that solves nothing. i have absolutely no faith in civil forum discussions and neither should anyone! o'lin i know you're mad about the whole thing. tido was your master and he meant alot to you. in your view, he was removed because of his conflicting ideals with that the academy and that sucks. i understand completely. but making a thread like this will not really solve much. sure it feels good to stick it to the man and voice your anger when you're frustrated, but it's still done at other people's expense. uncool! I've done that in the past too so you're in bad company so yeah, they're not gonna ban you unless you do something stupid. if you wanna hang out with tido play america's army or whatever the heck he plays. and yeah, taie it easy! |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: O God one of these threads again. Amen. P.S. Wussup! _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Majno - Padawan 
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Quote: Sete, please refrain from speaking, virtue can speak for you, face it, if u wanna be JAK+ be virtues pad, hell get u in, look at dash/virtue i mean they got in.... no need for recos. I can testify to the opposite of this, just being Virtue's Padawan does not quarantee you making JAK+. It is ultimatly up to the one being trialed to pass the trial, and not everyone does. /whistles. Quote: How has the academy gone against it's ideals? It's always banned people and banning has never been popular. It's not easy to take when it's someone you know but that doesnt mean the decision hasnt been taken lightly or that the JAK+ arent being open about it and are somehow betraying you and their ideals. There are no martyrs on the internet, there are only shades of grey. what will your banning achieve? It might gain some extra drama to an already over sensitised issue for a week or so but then like so many other controversial issues it will fade into the background and everyone will get on with their daily lives. The academy went to the birds when exploits were argued over. The academy went to the birds when the JAK+ clean out occured...the list goes on. The JA still is an active community, correct me if i'm wrong but i think there are about 50 applications a week. In such a community, it is simply not possible to please everyone. Not all of us are adults but that still does not justify the argument which essentially goes: You banned my friend. That makes me mad. Youre wrong. stop it and bring my friend back. You may have had some 'experiences' and 'memories' and yet you failed to have grasped in all that time what the academy is essentially about. If the academy is so sordid then why ask the equally sordid JAK+ to ban you, no one can stop you from leaving yourself. edit: as for being a padawan of virtue, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Everybody makes a whole load of unfounded assumptions, you do not know what it is like. It is incredibly insulting to dash that you would imply he did not get to where he was by his own merits. QFT! _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: I hope you all are laughing cause these posts are hilarious.... Jaiko you forgot one fatal piece of the puzzle though. Every weakness Tido found he reported to DJ. You could have kept his student status, that thing has access to nothing. I wasnt intending to get involved in this, but here is a point i dissagree with here, if the above part is true, then may i say JAC screwed up. ((among other things which i wont bring up.) So im curious, unless im misunderstanding, yo uremoved him for security reasons ((Jaiko's post i think)) Why not simply remove his site rights? or put him to student status, or other. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Lirael - Jedi Council 
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How has the academy gone against it's ideals? It's always banned people and banning has never been popular. It's not easy to take when it's someone you know but that doesnt mean the decision hasnt been taken lightly or that the JAK+ arent being open about it and are somehow betraying you and their ideals. There are no martyrs on the internet, there are only shades of grey. what will your banning achieve? It might gain some extra drama to an already over sensitised issue for a week or so but then like so many other controversial issues it will fade into the background and everyone will get on with their daily lives. The academy went to the birds when exploits were argued over. The academy went to the birds when the JAK+ clean out occured...the list goes on. The JA still is an active community, correct me if i'm wrong but i think there are about 50 applications a week. In such a community, it is simply not possible to please everyone. Not all of us are adults but that still does not justify the argument which essentially goes: You banned my friend. That makes me mad. Youre wrong. stop it and bring my friend back. You may have had some 'experiences' and 'memories' and yet you failed to have grasped in all that time what the academy is essentially about. If the academy is so sordid then why ask the equally sordid JAK+ to ban you, no one can stop you from leaving yourself. edit: as for being a padawan of virtue, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Everybody makes a whole load of unfounded assumptions, you do not know what it is like. It is incredibly insulting to dash that you would imply he did not get to where he was by his own merits. _______________ I can write my name with my sparkler. My sparkler > your lightsabre This comment was edited by Lirael on Oct 10 2006 06:23pm. |
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I hope you all are laughing cause these posts are hilarious.... Jaiko you forgot one fatal piece of the puzzle though. Every weakness Tido found he reported to DJ. You could have kept his student status, that thing has access to nothing. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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O God one of these threads again. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Interesting. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
Owner Of Virtue's 1000th profile comment, Mr. Doobie's 1000th profile comment, Gradius' 2500th comment, xAnAtOs' 2500th comment, Rosered's 1500th comment, Laziana's 900th comment, Scythus' 500th comment and Echuu's 100th comment |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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...so GER V V _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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Spread the <3. Stop dwelling on the bad and look to the future and the tings to come such as v3 (Virtue you lazy ass >_>; ) and most of all shurg the worries away V V _______________
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Hmmm Hey Enoch thank you for being so polite and although i may not have all the answers your looking for im going to attempt to answer some of them if i may? My biggest concern when posting this is that actually sete and buzz have had very little involvment with the investiation into Tido for this and for people to state that they shouldnt have the same basic freedom of speech that everyone else here at the JA enjoys would be harsh to say the least. As for Tido, he was a friend many here at the academy and even though many of us may have had our "moments" with him i personally never had an issue with him...and quite contrary to popular belief neither did the JAK+. Tido's first problem involved stealing JAT access passwords and using it to access other areas of the site which he didnt have access too. This resulted in tidos demotion and exlusion from any other possition of authority within the JA with a formal 99% warning. Honestly although im glad tido wasnt banned, he was very lucky not to be at the time. Tido being the ambitious and helpful S.O.B that he is then offered his services to the JAA and helped them build a solid team, contributing as their web techy although regulaly assisting in the running of the JAA. Tido would often come to the JAC with ideas and alot of them were welcomed and even implemented. It was with this i believe that DJ gave Tido access....even unrestricted access to his webserver. As with many ideas at the JA some of tidos ideas were great, and others we had to reject because they either wern't appropriate or feasable. But as some ideas were rejected tido took the position quite personaly and often forced his point by creating it anyway within the aurochs. This lead to many "heated" discussions and an eventual dislike of the JAC, which tido wasnt afraid to voice or share his oppinions on. Around this time a few of tidos collegues made myself and several other JAK+ aware that tido had stated something along the meaning: "if they ever do anything to me, i'm going to take them down with me". When DJ examined his server he found evidance which seemed to support the theory that Tido had been searching the webserver for several security flaws. It was around this time that we entered into a discussion of what exacly should be done. It was decided that with the recent events with tido, his announcment to retire from the JA and JAA anyway and the web server logs that the JAC could no longer turn a blind eye and action had to be taken. It wasnt done maliciously because we feel that tido deserves a little more than that. However the action that was taken was done quickly as to reduce the chances of any counter action being taken against JA servers. Believe me this wasnt caused by someone saying "grrr lets ban tido today...im bored". This decision came about through long discussions, arguments and a final agreement from all the JAC. We appreciate that Tido was a friend to many people, ourselves included and we dont attack you for maintaining your friendship with him, hes a nice guy and DOES deserve your friendship. We just hope you can understand our position in wanting to keep the JA open and here to provide you guys with the service and fun that we are here to do. Again im sorry if i cant answer all of your questions and most of my post is from my own point of view or standing, however i hope ive given you some insight into the events which lead to this and i hope we can co-operate and discuss this in a way that we can move forward. We really do welcome any genuine questions not aimed to hurt or attack an individual Thanks again Enoch -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) This comment was edited by Jaiko D'Kana on Oct 10 2006 04:43pm. |
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Enoch - Student 
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Quote: Recently both Setementor and Buzz have come under fire from the JA public for what seems to be a string of rumours based on loose fact. Both however do an amazing job here at the JA and are integral to its opperation. If you have a problem with them please find a JAC or myself and voice your concern to us... ok, i would just like to ask about this. You say that sete and buzz have had rumors spread about them, from what i have read and heard, that is all you heard of tido, if this is the case, i don't find it fair that tido got punished and they did not; however, if this is not true, plz post back and fill us in on as much of what happened as possible. Because from where i am standing, this was a bad decision from whoever voted on this matter, and i don't want to hold any of you in a lower regard if i am wrong. From what i know of tido, he would never intentionally do anything remotely close to what you are accusing him of, and in my opinion, he has done more for the students and the academy than alot of the other admin(no offence to them). If you have proof that he was gonna do this, plz show us the proof, or give a better reason than you felt it was needed. plz post back and give as much detail as possible. Once again i do want to point out that i am not trying to draw attention to anyone else, but from what i see, you were too harsh on tido. thank you for you time. _______________ Owner of O'liin's 300th, Pink_mintaka's 1230th This comment was edited by Enoch on Oct 10 2006 03:56pm. |
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Kaelis - On Leave 
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Ok not that i want to get involved in a post like this but i think some stuff should be said: 1) This is and is only ever going to be a game. 2) People have a right to there say which i can respect as everyone should do aswel without the need to flame etc... 3) I think the JAK+ deserve a hell of a lot of respect for taking time out of there real lives and giving it to a computer game and there players. Not only do they have there real life stress to deal with but they have all of the academy too and making threads like this can't help that. 4) For those of you who say i'm just playing up to the JAK+, i'm not i've had my fair share of problems recently and to be honest without some help from the academy and sertain members i probably wouldn't have got through it. That doesn't make me biased either it just shows to me why they deserve there positions and have gained my respect. So before people start throwing in some opinions take a step back and think how you would handle things and if you could cope with it all. Take Care Kaelis Belouve _______________ Padawan of Roan Belouve, brother to Acura, Proud to be part of the Belouve Dynasty, Proud Owner of Jarhok's 430th comment, Dash Starlights 1600th comment, Saz's 5000th comment and Alex D'Kanas 2100 comment |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: Shut the hell up Sete... Setementor has as much a right to express an opinion as you have. As long as it is in a polite way. Please respect this right. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Sho Koon - Student 
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I did not knew Tido, therefore I cannot and will not talk about him. But I have a few things I would like to say: You say you act like a 20 years old should and abuse someone for being more of an adult at a younger age then you are. Now that is childish in my opinion. Everyone has different experiences and grow up to be a different people. Some do it faster and some never. But the point is that we are all individuals. So there is really no need telling someone to act differently, you just do not have the right to do so. I personally respect Sete for the way he is, and he grew a lot in my eyes when I found out his age. About the JAK+ I cannot say a lot. But one thing, I surely can. They are there for a good reason and do their job right. You heard it right, it is more of a job then a game for them. They give their time to teach you and the others and you cannot thank them enough. Still you talk s**t and abuse them. Besides if you play here (and anywhere with anything), you should play for the fun and not to become a higher ranked member. That is not for everyone I guess. Well, anyway I hope I did not upset too many people. It is just my point of view. _______________ Proud owner of Malak's 50th and special 300th, Alex D'Kana's 3600th and 4000th, Laziana's 200th and [Jawa][Obi-Wan][SW]'s 1300th comment. This comment was edited by Sho Koon on Oct 10 2006 03:09pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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now i understand your first post , but dont flame the JAK+. i wouldnt find anyone equal to peeps like dash and sete (and probably all other jak+). _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Oct 10 2006 12:42pm. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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I must agree that the current discussion seems only to server as a flamefest and although, like the rest of the JAK+ i would like to encourage you to voice any concerns you have i must request that we do not resort to name calling or accusing its simply not necessary. Recently both Setementor and Buzz have come under fire from the JA public for what seems to be a string of rumours based on loose fact. Both however do an amazing job here at the JA and are integral to its opperation. If you have a problem with them please find a JAC or myself and voice your concern to us...dont go name calling as its not going to achieve anything. Regarding Dash becoming a JAK....It wasn't Virtue who made the decision it was actually very much down to Jaina, Gradius and myself. When instated as JAM's during the Rank clearout it was our first task to toggle a handfull of JAK for trial. Dash and Setementor were our first choices. I can understand your upset matey, but please try to understand that Tido was banned for security purposes. We hold no personal grudge against him, you or any other JA Student. Personally i consider Tido a friend and i hope he would feel the same. If anyone would like to talk about these matters or infact bring what has been said into a new light, then please do. This is to be an open matter and we are happy to discuss it fully. However, name calling wont achieve anything other than upset. Please. Thanks guys Take Care -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) This comment was edited by Jaiko D'Kana on Oct 10 2006 12:48pm. |
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