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Maher - Jedi Knight  |
Give him a hug
Happy B-day QIN aka Jaden... 
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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I argue DJ_Sith's profile! IT SHOULD READ "manties wearer!"
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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well said Saz and Lir, i apologise if its my fault for this pointless discussion... although i still think virtues in the wrong, but like you said, thats just MY opinon.
oh and qin got a very nice pair of bball shoes for his bday *claps* _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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SaZ - Student 
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you ppl forget the most important thing...
qin didnt say he is retired 
maher did... and he already mentioned that he wanted thread to sound like some title of old granpa. qin only has this 'retired' title-like thing in his profile... and lol who cares about those? go check my profile and tell me how much point there is in my attempt to have loads of pointless titles there? maybe lets start a discussion that im not a rodian? or anything even more pointless? same thing here. we could actually start a new thread discussing, complaining, arguing about pretty much anyones titles,descriptions,signatures and such. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Lirael - Jedi Council 
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Quote: he probably doesnt expect me to reply and push the subject, because yeah, hes on the council and has the power to ban me anytime he wishes.
I don’t think anyone has been banned for an opinion or replying, although I’m sure some have been warned due to the manner of their reply. No-one is stopping you from expressing your opinion, and in my opinion, the JAS probably have more freedom than the JAK+ in expressing their views on sensitive subjects. It is also my subjective opinion that the original comment was in response to the title of the thread rather than at any individual, although its appropriateness is not for me to comment on. As it has already been said, the JAK+ put a lot of hard work into the JA that should be specifically recognised as shown by the ‘retired’ tag. As such students using the same tag can (again in my subjective opinion) cause confusion as their role is somewhat different; perhaps ‘inactive’ would be a better description Semantics apart, happy birthday Talion and cya around _______________ I can write my name with my sparkler. My sparkler > your lightsabre |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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heh
Anywhoo I am not sure does anybody notice my joke in this title, maybe you haven't just sat enough time with your grandpa... When my grandpa started to tell stories/thingies about him work life friends, He always ended up him stories like "Yep yep now He is old and retired" and I thought to do some picking for Qin about him "retirement" because he will be back ...
Merry Christmas, Happy Birthday and New year 2007 for you Qin... P.S Qin have lot of parties in this month _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Senor Hat - Student 
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I didn't read all of the other post's but I'm assuming it turned into some sort of non birthday thread
Happy Belated-Birthday Qin _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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I don't think he was in the wrong. And in the sense that you expressed it, neither are you. The problem lies in that you took this as a directed attack. And not a general stating of opinion. I can't of course speak for Virtue, as he is truly the one that knows what intentions he had.
But the idea of someone retireing from something that is by all major standars a relaxing passtime is a bit strange. It's really just a matter of measurements. Basicly time and work put into the furtherment of the JA. The average student uses the JA for enjoyment and nothing more. Playing on the servers, posting on the forums, chatting on IRC and so on. Compare that to the average staff member who writes policies, maintains servers, sets up events and meets, goes through applications, and so on. With that in mind the JA created the "retired" status. So that people that really put a long and solid effort in got a pat on the back when they decided to move on. Granted that a student that "retires" doesn't end up on the Hall of fame. But you have to see that comparing the two is hardly something you would do. So in essence that to some would be sad. It's a fad that grew with time but without any merit for existance. And as for birthdays. It is not rude to not wish someone happy birthday. Maybe it is in your social circle. But it certainly isn't in mine. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Heh. This thread is amusing. Retired? Not Retired? Who the hell cares? You people are bored.
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Majno - Padawan 
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Happy belated Birthday dude! _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Lol, it's 1:11am and I've just got home.
You guys have gone totally off on the wrong tracks with this and I'm far too tired to set you straight now. I'll make a post in the morning when I get to work. You seem to think that my posts were a direct attack on Qin, which they weren't. Oh, and I won't be apologising, because I'm not wrong. 
Once again, I'll make a post when I get to work tomorrow to try to resolve where we started looking at this from different angles. Anyways, sleepy time for me. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect This comment was edited by Virtue on Dec 22 2006 01:21am. |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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HW, your missing the point. the fact is, Virtue was in the wrong, when i raised the point that he
was in the wrong he began to deny it with a passion. Seriously, he was totally in the wrong this time, but, as he argued with me on it, he probably doesnt expect me to reply and push the subject, because yeah, hes on the council and has the power to ban me anytime he wishes. But please, tell me if im wrong but here is my view on this matter: we are allowed to state our opinons about things right? but only on certain things/in certain cases/when it IS approriate to state our opinon on something, or in virtues case here, SOMEONE. He called Quin sad, and heck, all the other people with retired tag sad. thats not really the right time OR thread to state his opinon about Quin. its just like me posting on virtue's profile saying "i think your a *insert nasty word*". Would i get warned about that? heck yeah. Really all i want is for Virtue to apologise and admit he was wrong. oh and virtue, i really dont advise arguing about this subject, as you seriously hypocrited yourself. (cant think of the write word, but hey your probably know what i mean) I must say, im sorry if i've offended anyone with my views here, but Virtue really has got me annoyed on this matter. _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Talk about your thread going way off course.
This is a debate that I do not see the point off. For all intents and purposes you are debating opinion. So argument will most certainly ensue. You want to retire, though being a student? Fine, knock yourself out. You should however accept that some will find it strange, or even sad in this case. Personaly I don't see the point for it, nor do I have any issues with it. Bottom line. This debate is pointless, on both sides. So go have yourself a great birthday (which should be passed by now) and a merry christmas. And don't bother too much about the opinions of others. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Mmmm toast...
/eats toast. i agree. Quote: Toast is good, I recommend it. a second good point in the whole thread. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Lol, don't worry, it won't turn into an argument, I don't need to argue.
And yet - you keep replying. Quote: Anyways - retirement suggests years of hard work and experience in a role that requires actively doing a job that is requested of you by contract (or that you are required to do if you are self-employed).
May i note - that there are plenty of people at the academy who have said its ''retired'' such as janus (who HAS put more work into the JA than me, but thats different to this note) so logicly, if you look down anyone with the retired name would be ''sad'' Quote: Students can do what they want, they play a computer game. Our Staff are trialled, tested and begin to "work" for us immediatly afterwards, and they do a darned good job of it.
Thats hypocritical - your working for a site about a game thats 'sad' according to you. Quote: So yeah - a Student CAN call themselves "retired", but again, you'd be retiring from a computer game.. which in essence is kind of sad.
Yeah.. ooookkk Quote: In most cases, attention-seeking students here at the JA just want to jump on the band wagon of "Retirement" just so that they can feel important and get reactions from people. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or pointing any fingers, but that's generally what happens.
Trust me, I and many other Staff members have seen it happen. Obviously - may i note i didnt post this topic. although i have in the past - that was telling people im gone, not going for attention seeking Quote: Nevermind though, my point stands.
If you don't have time to play the game anymore, don't play it, no one cares. Stating that you're "Retiring" as if it's a prestegious thing, thinking that people are going to be moved by it is taking it a bit far, though. My lord - there are plenty of people 'retired' in the ja - staff members put more work in , yet its still ''not a job' as you have said yourself - they deserve more respect, but as you have said , it isnt a job, thus they arent in a job, and are considering this a job. Quote: Besides, in Qin's case... he's still here. He just doesn't play the game. He still posts regularly and is up on what's going on.
wow, he DID say happy birthday - thanks for spamming this topic whining about this thing, even though this is basicly all about my birthday , not me wanting ''attention'' By the way - this isnt targettting any staff. Just putting across this point _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Mmmm toast...
/eats toast. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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Lol, don't worry, it won't turn into an argument, I don't need to argue.
Anyways - retirement suggests years of hard work and experience in a role that requires actively doing a job that is requested of you by contract (or that you are required to do if you are self-employed). Students can do what they want, they play a computer game. Our Staff are trialled, tested and begin to "work" for us immediatly afterwards, and they do a darned good job of it. So yeah - a Student CAN call themselves "retired", but again, you'd be retiring from a computer game.. which in essence is kind of sad.
In most cases, attention-seeking students here at the JA just want to jump on the band wagon of "Retirement" just so that they can feel important and get reactions from people. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or pointing any fingers, but that's generally what happens. Trust me, I and many other Staff members have seen it happen. Nevermind though, my point stands. If you don't have time to play the game anymore, don't play it, no one cares. Stating that you're "Retiring" as if it's a prestegious thing, thinking that people are going to be moved by it is taking it a bit far, though. Besides, in Qin's case... he's still here. He just doesn't play the game. He still posts regularly and is up on what's going on. Anyways, in conclusion: Toast is good, I recommend it. - Virtue.
PS. Oh, and I hope you had a good Birthday! _______________ Academy Architect This comment was edited by Virtue on Dec 21 2006 12:39pm. |
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Mindrith Pride - Student
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Quote: 1) Not harsh, just neutral I guess. 2) I know exactly what my job is, and how to do it. Thank you for trying to look after me, though. My comment was nothing personal, really, I just find it quite sad when people say they're "Retiring" from a computer game. Our Staff can retire because they actually have jobs to do around the JA and they work hard, note that the only way a staff member can get a "Retired" tag is if they're in the Hall of Fame. I guess some people have a different outlook on what the word "Retired" actually means - I would look it up sometime if I were you. 
(Again, nothing personal) Happy Birthday. - Virtue. alrighty
retired: "no longer active in your work or profession" profession: "An occupation, the practice of which directly influences human well-being and requires mastery of a complex body of knowledge and specialized skills, requiring both formal education and practical experience." alright, so JKA may not be exactly "complex" for some people, but the game is a body of knowledge in which you must learn to master the skills you learn, therefore a student can call him/herself "retired" if they stop playing the game for good/long period of time. As to the human well-being, for this individual, i know for a fact he has been nice, friendly and open to anyone he meets in the JA, sure he falls out with people, we all do. but i think that he has helped many people out with their sabre and gun skills, he's had unoffical padawans as well, and i know that without his help i wouldn't have been anywhwere near as good as i was when i was playing
And im afraid that i will have to disagree with "neutral". In our culture someones birthday is a day which is celebrated by everyone they know, and who knows them. Heck, im 16, and imo a typical teenager, but i still have good manners, and every time i see a "happy birthday" thread i will always post on it saying happy birthday, its just being polite, and THAT costs absolutely nothing. IMO anyways. now i dont want to turn this into an arguement, but i felt compelled to reply to your earlier post so... nothing personal _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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Retired?
...lol erm... no offence but isnt it harsh to 1) post in somones bday thread and not say "happy birthday" or something along the same line 2) say something like that. ... just thought you wanna set a good example around here for the others.. you are on the council after all
anyways, happy bday dude! 1) Not harsh, just neutral I guess. 2) I know exactly what my job is, and how to do it. Thank you for trying to look after me, though. My comment was nothing personal, really, I just find it quite sad when people say they're "Retiring" from a computer game. Our Staff can retire because they actually have jobs to do around the JA and they work hard, note that the only way a staff member can get a "Retired" tag is if they're in the Hall of Fame. I guess some people have a different outlook on what the word "Retired" actually means - I would look it up sometime if I were you.
(Again, nothing personal) Happy Birthday. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect This comment was edited by Virtue on Dec 21 2006 09:14am. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Happy birthday to you! _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Quote: Happy birthday, must be harsh having a birthday this close to christmas! lol
Hope santa brings you everything you asked for! (so Jaik-Frost can stealz it! mwaahah) -JaikoD'Kana- NUUUZ ;( _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Happy birthday, must be harsh having a birthday this close to christmas! lol
Hope santa brings you everything you asked for! (so Jaik-Frost can stealz it! mwaahah) -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Hardwired - Retired
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The "retired" tag is generally used by Staff when they step down and stop most activity. But only if they have made a sufficent advancement to the academy through their work.
Thats the main reason the "Hall of fame" was cropped. Now the "retired" tag is use much more sparingly. Just a general note on the current usage of the status. And happy birthday. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: i think virtue means that you can only retire from work. playing jka is not a job etc.
I believe some students emulate the oldbie's who earn the title 'Retired' after they no longer play. If we honour some members by giving them the retired title, i see no reason why students can't say they are 'retired' as well. I suppose its a bit like the whole official/unofficial padawan arguement. Happy Birthday again Qin. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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SaZ - Student 
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i think virtue means that you can only retire from work. playing jka is not a job etc. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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...lol erm... no offence but isnt it harsh to 1) post in somones bday thread and not say "happy birthday" or something along the same lineagrreeed 2) say something like that. ... just thought you wanna set a good example around here for the others.. you are on the council after all
anyways, happy bday dude! _______________ Monday September 4th, 2006 R.I.P. Steve Irwin"The Crocodile Hunter" "Rejoice for those around you that transform into the force, morn them do not, miss them do not, death is a natural part of life"-Yoda "Who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?"-Ben Kenobi "Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"-Ben Kenobi Guided Specially, by Maher Dakari Sparring partner to Sho Koon, "Spared no expense"-John Hamond Jurasic Park, Padawan of RoseRed, "The oppression of the Sith shall never return, u have lost my lord"-Mace Windu, Owner of Pink Floyd Mintaka's 3700th comment! "Only Two there should be, One To Crave the Power and one to Embrace it" - Darth Bane: Path of Destruction |
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